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Programmes "on BBC ONE and BBC ONE HD"
DVDfever
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Obviously, not everything on BBC1 will be made in HD, but given how a number of viewers are so interminably thick they'll think that stretching a 4:3 programme across a 16:9 makes it "widescreen", and that a flatscreen TV makes everything "HD", how are the BBC pointing out to the casual viewer that a programme isn't in HD but is simply upscaled, and what that actually means?
Not having HD, all I can see is, for example, Breakfast being introduced as being on both channels but there's nothing being said to make the distinction that it's not in HD.
And if they're not making any distinction, then they're clearly being misleading.
Not having HD, all I can see is, for example, Breakfast being introduced as being on both channels but there's nothing being said to make the distinction that it's not in HD.
And if they're not making any distinction, then they're clearly being misleading.
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Programme listings in the Radio Times also state the same.
I always though people stretched a 4:3 picture to get rid of side bars. Each to their own I suppose.
Ta. Do Sky do the same?
Well, when it comes to showing the odd 2.35:1 film, they just seem to let it slip out without explanation and see if viewers will accept through osmosis, which thankfully, they seem to be doing, as the number of films being shown that way on the BBC are increasing (although ITV and Five are being quite lame about it)
I've done that with cartoons, but I can't abide it with TV shows that feature people as the distortion is horrendous.
I have also seen a comment from someone with Sky who says that 5.1 programming is also highlighted via a different colour
Sky never say "on Sky *** HD.......", if the programme is not in HD.
The BBC are saying "on BBC One and BBC One HD....", whether the programme is in SD or HD.
That's the big difference. It is misleading.
But is the BBC, SKY, ITV, CHANNEL4 & FIVE shooting in 720 or1080 HD.
No it's not. They're saying the programme is available on both channels-which is true. If they were to say 'on BBC One and in high definition on BBC One HD" when it was an upscaled SD programme,THAT would be misleading.
Providing you have the option switched on (unsurprisingly in the "Options" section of the settings menu) true HD programmes are displayed in orange text on the EPG whereas SD ones are in white.
I thought they said that if the programme ISN'T in HD.
If the programme IS in HD I think they say "on BBC1 and in High Definition on BBC1 HD" or words to that effect.
So they do make a distinction.
True, but generally people wouldn't think logically like that. By saying "on BBC one and BBC one HD", a lot of people will automatically assume the programme will be in HD on the HD channel (unless it obviously isn't, like a 70s sitcom the other day). It CAN be misleading to some, even though they aren't saying anything incorrect and in my opinion they shouldn't mention BBC one HD if the programme is only upscaled.
It's a very grey distinction, though. The average casual viewer would be left thinking that something "on BBC ONE and BBC ONE HD" is going to give them HD on the latter.
Agreed. The average viewer doesn't have any real understanding of things like that.
I don't watch a hell of a lot of Sky1 (HD), and very rarely anything that's SD-only, but if their strategy of promoting/introducing programmes is anything like it is on Sky Sports, I doubt they'd ever just say "Sky1" these days. They're so busy pushing HD that it'll only ever be "Sky1 HD" that they say, even if it's not being shown in HD.
Indeed the Sky1 HD DOG is permanently present these days, whether the programme being shown is in HD or not. That never used to be the case until a few months ago. And, for some reason, they feel the DOG needs to be bigger if it's an SD programme than if it's an HD one, like we wouldn't be able to read it against an SD background picture.
Okay - if that's the case, then fair enough. I was just comparing it to what they often do in Sky Sports promos now, and thought it might be the same.
BBC1HD has the logo all the time which will mislead people and does not help to encourage HD takeup.
Visitors will see the BBC1HD logo on an upscaled programme and see how shit it is and be convinced that HD is just a ripoff.
IIRC Sky One HD only has the HD logo if its HD too
For the record, I don't have HD so only watch the SD version of any channel. Does Sky1 have seperate continuity announcements on their HD channel?
Pre-recorded promos and live plugs when done properly don't refer to the HD channel if the show isn't in HD (i.e. the Soccer AM Xmas Special at the moment is being trailed as on Sky Sports 1)
Occasionally, the Sky Sports News presenters will get it wrong and automatically refer to say Sky Sports HD1 when the program is only in SD.
The channel idents have a pre-recorded "You're Watching Sky Sports in HD" regardless of whether the programme is actually HD or not.
The DOG on the HD channels drops the 'HDx' bit when upscaled content is shown. I believe most of Sky's other channel DOGs do the same.
Thats how I see it, STV, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky only show the HD logo if a program is in HD. For the BBC not to do the same is confusing for people unsure on what HD is. I expect better from from the BBC.
Channel 4 do the same. It's really frustrating that the BBC won't follow the same pattern.
Get rid of them altogether and just TELL people when something's in HD. :rolleyes: