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David Cameron: "penny pinching accountant"

TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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That's according to Sinn Fein's John O'Dowd who has explicitly stated that there would be no deal if Cameron doesn't hand over more money.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-30440229

Bang goes the corporation tax dream.
Bang goes any hope of a deal on flags and parades.
Bang goes the futures of the young people of Northern Ireland.

Sinn Fein need to suck it up, and agree a deal on welfare reform and the budget so we can all move forward with re-balancing our economy away from the public sector.
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    MattNMattN Posts: 2,534
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    Can't stand either of the main party's but at least the Dup realize that cuts have to be made while sinn fein are still in cloud cukoo land with their spending demands
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    MattN wrote: »
    Can't stand either of the main party's but at least the Dup realize that cuts have to be made while sinn fein are still in cloud cukoo land with their spending demands

    I'm still convinced Sinn Fein are playing politics with the people of Northern Ireland. They want to go to the electorate in the Republic as the anti austerity party saying "look at us, we opposed all cuts North and South". Meanwhile we have an economy 8% smaller than in 2007 in Northern Ireland.
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    MattNMattN Posts: 2,534
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    I'm still convinced Sinn Fein are playing politics with the people of Northern Ireland. They want to go to the electorate in the Republic as the anti austerity party saying "look at us, we opposed all cuts North and South". Meanwhile we have an economy 8% smaller than in 2007 in Northern Ireland.

    I think they want the executive to collapse tbh.

    Let London take all the hard decisions they won't take and then make a big stand opposing what they've done to try and boost support for the upcoming elections.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    Gerry Adams on Talkback now talking about "Tory ideological cuts".

    Remind me, where was this Sinn Fein criticism when the cuts were debated in Westminster?
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    Sinn Fein need to suck it up, and agree a deal on welfare reform and the budget so we can all move forward with re-balancing our economy away from the public sector.

    Why? No honestly why?
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    That's according to Sinn Fein's John O'Dowd who has explicitly stated that there would be no deal if Cameron doesn't hand over more money.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-30440229

    Bang goes the corporation tax dream.
    Bang goes any hope of a deal on flags and parades.
    Bang goes the futures of the young people of Northern Ireland.

    Sinn Fein need to suck it up, and agree a deal on welfare reform and the budget so we can all move forward with re-balancing our economy away from the public sector.

    I fully agree with Sinn Fein (and the DUP) on this one. Cameron was also being deeply insincere (i.e. a lying flocker) and misleading too. He was offering a possible loan not extra grants for the province.

    I regard the peace process is ongoing and my firm view is that Northern Ireland's budget should have been ring-fenced and protected just like the overseas aid budget was in order to help keep the province stable. Presumably that last aspect was down to that miserable and mean-spirited millionaire bastard Osborne.
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    BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    A "penny pincher" or "miser" is someone that has money but doesn't spend it.
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    A "penny pincher" or "miser" is someone that has money but doesn't spend it.

    But Cameron does have the money. If he and that flocker Osborne can afford the £90 billion HS2 white elephant monstrosity then they sure as hell can afford to protect and ring fence Northern Ireland's budget.
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    That would go down like a lead balloon with taxpapers in the rest of the UK. Northern Ireland is heavily subsidised as it is.
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    apaul wrote: »
    That would go down like a lead balloon with taxpapers in the rest of the UK. Northern Ireland is heavily subsidised as it is.

    It is in the UK's wider, long term interest to keep Northern Ireland stable and prosperous because the costs of not doing so, in terms of economic decline and resurgent terrorism, would be significantly larger.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    But Cameron does have the money. If he and that flocker Osborne can afford the £90 billion HS2 white elephant monstrosity then they sure as hell can afford to protect and ring fence Northern Ireland's budget.

    Why should NI's public spending budget be protected when everyone else's is being cut?
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    Question:
    LostFool wrote: »
    Why should NI's public spending budget be protected when everyone else's is being cut?

    Answer:
    It is in the UK's wider, long term interest to keep Northern Ireland stable and prosperous because the costs of not doing so, in terms of economic decline and resurgent terrorism, would be significantly larger.
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    Wolfman13Wolfman13 Posts: 1,579
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    That's according to Sinn Fein's John O'Dowd who has explicitly stated that there would be no deal if Cameron doesn't hand over more money.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-30440229

    Bang goes the corporation tax dream.
    Bang goes any hope of a deal on flags and parades.
    Bang goes the futures of the young people of Northern Ireland.

    Sinn Fein need to suck it up, and agree a deal on welfare reform and the budget so we can all move forward with re-balancing our economy away from the public sector.

    Never going to happen as they hate the Tories.
    It is in the UK's wider, long term interest to keep Northern Ireland stable and prosperous because the costs of not doing so, in terms of economic decline and resurgent terrorism, would be significantly larger.

    Sinn Fein are enjoying the gravy train too much to ever go back to violence besides they've no longer got the backing of Gaddafi or the USA in terrorism.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    It is in the UK's wider, long term interest to keep Northern Ireland stable and prosperous because the costs of not doing so, in terms of economic decline and resurgent terrorism, would be significantly larger.

    So, basically, Sinn Fein are saying "give us lots of money or we'll bomb you"?
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    But Cameron does have the money. If he and that flocker Osborne can afford the £90 billion HS2 white elephant monstrosity then they sure as hell can afford to protect and ring fence Northern Ireland's budget.

    And yet this country/nation's supposed to be in debt. It makes you laugh. That's an insane amount of money.
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    Gerry Adams on Talkback now talking about "Tory ideological cuts".

    Remind me, where was this Sinn Fein criticism when the cuts were debated in Westminster?

    Adams wanted Cameron to hand over a huge sum of money with no strings attached.

    Cameron walked away and a good thing too.
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    Imagine if Ireland had to take over running the north, it would probably bankrupt them. I thought they were going to be allowed to raise their own corporation tax.
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    AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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    Everyone is a special case in the UK, apart from the English :confused:
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    LostFool wrote: »
    So, basically, Sinn Fein are saying "give us lots of money or we'll bomb you"?

    No, they did nothing of the sort and harsh cuts in Northern Ireland at the present time have the grave potential to destabilise both the province and the peace process and that is a profoundly ignorant, irresponsible and short term thing to do on the part of Cameron and Osborne.
    Annsyre wrote: »
    Adams wanted Cameron to hand over a huge sum of money with no strings attached.

    Cameron walked away and a good thing too.

    Again, that's not the case. The nationalist and unionist parties were united on this issue.

    Here's what DUP leader Peter Robinson said:
    The DUP leader said he did not believe the parties had "sufficiently challenged the prime minister on what his bottom line is on financial issues".

    "For our part the financial and welfare issues are central to resolving the current difficulties. It is essential that all parties remain focused if they are serious about delivering for the people of Northern Ireland," Mr Robinson said.

    "The government must also commit to work towards an outcome that allows us to advance a stronger economy and recognises the challenges specific to Northern Ireland."

    Source = http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30440229

    Northern Ireland is already relatively deprived when compared with the rest of the UK and it is also over-dependent on state spending. That latter aspect does need to be addressed over the long term and harsh, damaging and destabilising are the last thing that the province needs right now.
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    MattNMattN Posts: 2,534
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    Northern Ireland is already relatively deprived when compared with the rest of the UK and it is also over-dependent on state spending. That latter aspect does need to be addressed over the long term and harsh, damaging and destabilising are the last thing that the province needs right now.

    The two political parties that regularly stoke up sectarianism to win votes, refuse to compromise band work together on anything and generally show no competence on how to run a government are the biggest destabilizing factors.

    Sien Feins point blank refusal to sign up to welfare reforms is causing as much damage as any Westminster cut.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    zx50 wrote: »
    And yet this country/nation's supposed to be in debt. It makes you laugh. That's an insane amount of money.

    Only if paid in a lump sum it would be but HS2, like all capital projects, is spread out over many years.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    LostFool wrote: »
    Only if paid in a lump sum it would be but HS2, like all capital projects, is spread out over many years.

    I suppose Labour will have to let work on this continue if work on it actually starts before the next big election and Labour gets in.
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    MattN wrote: »
    The two political parties that regularly stoke up sectarianism to win votes, refuse to compromise band work together on anything and generally show no competence on how to run a government are the biggest destabilizing factors.

    And paying them Danegeld won't improve anything.
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    geemonkeegeemonkee Posts: 2,720
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    Imagine if Ireland had to take over running the north, it would probably bankrupt them. I thought they were going to be allowed to raise their own corporation tax.

    Think it was keep the corporation tax raised, rather than it going to the Treasury.
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    geemonkeegeemonkee Posts: 2,720
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    Everyone is a special case in the UK, apart from the English :confused:

    Well if English devolution comes to pass, you will get to feel special when you get a grant from the UK government that your budget must not exceed.
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