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Coleen Nolan sparks outrage after comparing gay rights to supporting ISIS

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    Victim Of FateVictim Of Fate Posts: 5,157
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    anne_666 wrote: »
    1998
    http://www.equalityni.org/ECNI/media/ECNI/Publications/Individuals/ReligiousDiscrimShortGuide2010.pdf



    The bakery were discriminating on religious and political grounds.

    Her using ISIS as an example was as idiotic as anything could be and on many levels.

    Hers and JSP's false statements make me question how much research any of them are expected to do, before broadcasting to viewers, many of whom believe them. I have no idea what their viewing figures are, but this is unacceptable and irresponsible broadcasting.

    Her use of ISIS as an example was certainly inappropriate, because they are a proscribed organisation. But her underlying point was that this prevents businesses from refusing to provide services that promote unpalatable political ideologies (not that gay marriage is unpalatable). She should have chosen a more appropriate example, the most obvious of which would have been "ban gay marriage".
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    Her use of ISIS as an example was certainly inappropriate, because they are a proscribed organisation. But her underlying point was that this prevents businesses from refusing to provide services that promote unpalatable political ideologies (not that gay marriage is unpalatable). She should have chosen a more appropriate example, the most obvious of which would have been "ban gay marriage".

    "Ban gay marriage" would be inapt as gay marriage doesn't exist in NI. Inventing apt scenarios is one way to look at this, the law is the only correct basis to judge them on. Contrary to Coleen's ill informed and inapt alarmist message, there is nothing sensational or alarming about this case.
    As long as any message on a cake doesn't break any law it's perfectly acceptable.
    The laws in this case, unlike religion and some people, are not prejudicial and afford protection, equality to anyone of any sexuality and legal political persuasion. There are other perfectly reasonable laws which cover what the content of any political message may or may not be, eg not inciting hatred, racist, sexist, etc..
    If anyone doesn't want to promote any political ideologies in their own business, they certainly don't have to, but must it a clear caveat.. They cannot pick and choose to suit their personal prejudices or beliefs.
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    xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    wHAT if someone refused to make a swatzika cake ?
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    Rich Tea.Rich Tea. Posts: 22,048
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    wHAT if someone refused to make a swatzika cake ?
    Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party did not invent the swastika though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

    Depends in what way the shape is represented I suppose.
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    Victim Of FateVictim Of Fate Posts: 5,157
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    anne_666 wrote: »
    "Ban gay marriage" would be inapt as gay marriage doesn't exist in NI. Inventing apt scenarios is one way to look at this, the law is the only correct basis to judge them on. Contrary to Coleen's ill informed and inapt alarmist message, there is nothing sensational or alarming about this case.
    As long as any message on a cake doesn't break any law it's perfectly acceptable.
    The laws in this case, unlike religion and some people, are not prejudicial and afford protection, equality to anyone of any sexuality and legal political persuasion. There are other perfectly reasonable laws which cover what the content of any political message may or may not be, eg not inciting hatred, racist, sexist, etc..
    If anyone doesn't want to promote any political ideologies in their own business, they certainly don't have to, but must it a clear caveat.. They cannot pick and choose to suit their personal prejudices or beliefs.

    But should that be the law? What if you are, for example, an ad agency. You own an advertising agency, and you specialise in political campaigns. Should you be forced to work for whichever political party offers you work, even if you don't support their politics?
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    But should that be the law? What if you are, for example, an ad agency. You own an advertising agency, and you specialise in political campaigns. Should you be forced to work for whichever political party offers you work, even if you don't support their politics?

    In NI yes, they can't politically discriminate, which was understandably enshrined in law, because of their history of political discrimination. Anyone setting up any business is aware of the sales and services legislation, or should be. Political belief isn't a protected characteristic in the UK, but this case set a precedent this year.

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/03/tribunal--political-views-should-receive-same-protection-under-equality-act-as-religious-beliefs
    https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights/types-of-discrimination
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    http://www.equalityni.org/Employers-Service-Providers/Service-Providers
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    wilehelmaswilehelmas Posts: 3,610
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    I think she may be having a quiet day today, somehow.

    :)
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