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Two 12 year olds try to kill a friend to please The Slenderman
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edition.cnn.com/2014/06/02/justice/wisconsin-girl-stabbed/
Stabbed 19 times? Very lucky she survived.
The whole "blame the internet" is the new "blame the movies" which was the new "blame the books" etc...
These two obviously has a screw loose to begin with.
Stabbed 19 times? Very lucky she survived.
The whole "blame the internet" is the new "blame the movies" which was the new "blame the books" etc...
These two obviously has a screw loose to begin with.
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that`s so wrong.
It's America. Where the death penalty can extend to teenagers and the disabled.
but then if i've read it right, wisconsin has no minimum age of criminal responsibility so i guess it's somewhat inevitable they're being charged as adults.
no child should ever be tried as an adult in my opinion, planning and remorse do not alter the fact that they are twelve years old.
They tried to kill her with a high level of premeditation. Being 12 is no excuse.
a child of twelve is thought too immature to consent to have sex but old enough to fully grasp all that`s involved in committing a murder as an adult is? i think not.
It's not an 'excuse' completely, but it's an overwhelmingly large mitigating circumstance which should be taken into consideration at every level of the case.
They were 12 for heavens sake.. that means they would have been in their first year of secondary school if in the UK.. I mean, at that age I was still extraordinarily immature and in a world of my own a lot of the time.
Sure, so was I - I'd seen plenty of horrors by then, played scary video games too and it never occurred to me to attempt murder. I agree that they shouldn't be tried as adults, but given the nature of their crime, kid gloves aren't an option either. Tough one.
that raises anoter question, which is should all adults be tried as adults? What I mean by this is that we put things in pigeonholes, and in this case there's an implication that at a certain point in life one knows how to behave and acts accordingly. But there are plenty of adults who never reach that stage and are no further developed than a twelve year old in that respect, so should such a person be treated any differently from a twelve year old when it comes to the law?
No they should not be,we can not just ban things,,just because someone copy's them,as in the end what would be left.
wouldn`t that be a mitigation issue?
i should make it clear that i don't actually agree with the decision to try them as adults - I was just speculating on the reasons why that would have happened.
If it was rare, yes, but I see plenty of 18 year olds, 20 year olds, (30 .. 40.. year olds)who are not particularyl mature or responsible. I'm not talking about the small minority who have a form of disability, I'm talking about a whole tranche of the population who haven't grown up.
Nor me, why would it? That's missing the point.
I'm not saying 12 year old's want to murder, but that because they were 12 they could easily have an extremely diminished ability to understand the gravity of what they were doing.. let's not forget why they did this, which is demonstrates it wasn't particularly rational or sane.
Yes I know. My point is that we set arbitrary ages at which people are supposed to have reached a certain level of maturity but the reality is far away from that.
the law needs some kind of cut off point at and beyond which one can reasonably expect adult cognition, 12 years old isn`t it.
Many children watch/hear horror stories but would never try to kill someone. It sounds like this is an unpopular opinion but I think America has it right with young people who do these things. It's a sign something isn't right in them.
Precisely, and besides which; the law contains provisions for adults suffering from some level of diminished responsibility or exceptionally, those completely incapable of understanding the nature and ramifications of their crime (insanity plea - if that's still correct/PC?)
also in mitigation. whichever way you approach it, trying children as adults is very, very wrong.
Oh absolutely - just to confirm I agree they shouldn't be tried as adults.
I'd agree with that. To stab once after initially seeing the film is one thing but to systematically plan various ways in which to murder the other girl over a period of 6 months is another entirely.