The Spice Girls are irrelevant to the record buying public, no one buys their solo records these days and their comeback single flopped. There's no denying they're fondly remembered and people in their late 20s/30s went to their nostalgia tour, but they sold records for a couple of years and imploded. The Spice Girls could not sell a single these days which makes them irrelevant.
Gaga might be fondly remembered by some, but similarly she's also imploded and no longer selling records.
Game over, time to move on.
Madonna is an exception to the rule, and Gaga does not hold a candle to her.
I'm in no way, shape for form trying to deny the impact Gaga or SG had on the music industry, but they are not relevant these days
Relevancy is more than just music sales though. its cultural impact. The Spice Girls are relevant because in 1995 they were told pop girls don't sell magazines. In 1996 they got a cover and the magazine sold its most copies to date. Opening the doors for female music stars getting more exposer within the teen mags that thought only pop hunks could sell. Case in point, I think Britney later broke their record.
The sad thing about that Ice Bucket ALS challenge thing is that it is supposed to be about the charity and doing something in light humour to help its cause. Gaga just makes it about herself. She is too self important.
The Spice Girls are irrelevant to the record buying public, no one buys their solo records these days and their comeback single flopped. There's no denying they're fondly remembered and people in their late 20s/30s went to their nostalgia tour, but they sold records for a couple of years and imploded. The Spice Girls could not sell a single these days which makes them irrelevant.
Gaga might be fondly remembered by some, but similarly she's also imploded and no longer selling records.
Game over, time to move on.
Madonna is an exception to the rule, and Gaga does not hold a candle to her.
I'm in no way, shape for form trying to deny the impact Gaga or SG had on the music industry, but they are not relevant these days
I think you are a bit early talking about Gaga being fondly remembered. Artpop was a top 10 selling album last year. Perhaps not the best seller expected but Gaga does still sell records. The Spice Girls heyday was in the mid to late 90s, different generation.
The Spice Girls are irrelevant to the record buying public, no one buys their solo records these days and their comeback single flopped. There's no denying they're fondly remembered and people in their late 20s/30s went to their nostalgia tour, but they sold records for a couple of years and imploded. The Spice Girls could not sell a single these days which makes them irrelevant
Actually the Spice greatest hits has been a slow burner since 2007 selling slowly on and off over time. I wouldn't be surprised if it is now around or even over 500k in the UK now
Also Headlines (Friendship Never Ends) got released the week after the greatest hits so was destined to do badly because of that. It also barely got promoted other than a performance on CIN. Had they performed it on loads of TV shows I have no doubt it would have been Top 5.
Selling half a million copies of a CD in 7 years is really poor.
When you consider that 10 of the fifteen tracks from it came from two albums that sold around 40 - 50 million worldwide combined not really.
Also that 500k is just the UK sales I am sure the Spice GH sold a good few million worldwide.
My point is they still sell records even now and who knows the potential for them in a well promoted fourth studio album. I doubt it'll happen but you never know.
I tell you who all these popstars need to take some tips from if they want staying power and that's P!nk. Her first album was in 2000.. 14 years later and she's still doing well in the charts.
I actually have a feeling that Rihanna may be on her way to not being relevant any more as I'm not sure how she's going to keep people interested. She's changed so much throughout her career and I'm not sure what she can do next.
I tell you who all these popstars need to take some tips from if they want staying power and that's P!nk. Her first album was in 2000.. 14 years later and she's still doing well in the charts.
I actually have a feeling that Rihanna may be on her way to not being relevant any more as I'm not sure how she's going to keep people interested. She's changed so much throughout her career and I'm not sure what she can do next.
I think that relevancy today has actually more to do with being a great live performer than chart positions or changing your sound or look.
Pink is a fantastic passionate live performer. Rihanna on the other hand always acts bored during her shows.
How well are Gaga's tours doing? I don't think it helps her that she does cancel dates or cuts tours short. I saw her once on her very first tour. To be fair, I guess she wasn't as experienced performing live then, but I wasn't too impressed. I found her performance kind of disjointed and sloppy.
She's playing less dates than before..Once she was untouchable in Australia, now they don't care for her. She has only 6 dates I believe in oz and Katy Perry keeps adding dates. That's bad news for Gaga.
Public just bored of her, she's all about gimmicks and doesn't realise by wearing countless outfits is not gonna keep people interested.
I think that relevancy today has actually more to do with being a great live performer than chart positions or changing your sound or look.
Pink is a fantastic passionate live performer. Rihanna on the other hand always acts bored during her shows.
How well are Gaga's tours doing? I don't think it helps her that she does cancel dates or cuts tours short. I saw her once on her very first tour. To be fair, I guess she wasn't as experienced performing live then, but I wasn't too impressed. I found her performance kind of disjointed and sloppy.
Agreed and I thought she was useless talking to the audience, as if she was just regurgitating a script because she had to.
To think a few years ago they were begging her to appear in the hope of getting higher ratings.
What exactly happened to make her such a big turn off?
The VMAs? thats the spirit measure of quality now? the loss of music and more focus on the "star" and the videos they create? (which are often just crap soft core porn, and adverts for gaudy shit products)
If anything, Gaga not performing gives her some small credibility. Plenty of classics and true greats have never been on the VMAs, as they could stand on their own with the music, not some crap video that was born out of a marketing meeting.
Lady Gaga's name came from a marketing meeting. If you think there's anything authentic or independent about her you're sadly mistaken, and ironically fallen for her marketing. She's as manufactured as everybody else.
The sad thing about that Ice Bucket ALS challenge thing is that it is supposed to be about the charity and doing something in light humour to help its cause. Gaga just makes it about herself. She is too self important.
it was weird, no mention of the charity i think her problem is shes gone too far left field and put people off by being overly dramatic over every little thing, she was humorous on chat shows a couple of years ago, but she isn't being invited as she has nothing to promote so we dont see the humour just the weird, thats making people drop off.
Her music just simply isn't good anymore, The Fame when It came out I listened to it constantly, Artpop I think I've listened to it once and it's just tripe but that's my opinion
I tell you who all these popstars need to take some tips from if they want staying power and that's P!nk. Her first album was in 2000.. 14 years later and she's still doing well in the charts.
I actually have a feeling that Rihanna may be on her way to not being relevant any more as I'm not sure how she's going to keep people interested. She's changed so much throughout her career and I'm not sure what she can do next.
Pink certainly has longevity, but if other artists started using her as a template then we'd have a bunch of artists who'd fail to evolve.
I like Pink but it feels she has been rehashing the same sound for the past 10 years now:(
Pink certainly has longevity, but if other artists started using her as a template then we'd have a bunch of artists who'd fail to evolve.
I like Pink but it feels she has been rehashing the same sound for the past 10 years now:(
As a big pink fan myself I have to agree with this. She seems to repeat herself especially with her singles. Cheesy fun pop lead single, her 2nd singles being her best (IMO) then so so 3rd singles. I'd like her to try something new but at the same time if it ain't broke and all that. I get why she sticks to it
As a big pink fan myself I have to agree with this. She seems to repeat herself especially with her singles. Cheesy fun pop lead single, her 2nd singles being her best (IMO) then so so 3rd singles. I'd like her to try something new but at the same time if it ain't broke and all that. I get why she sticks to it
I think she sticks to it too because the music world changes around her, and when it changes around her and she doesnt change, it seems more like she's being different and having her own sound.
14 years she's been going right? In that time the major force in the charts has shifted from pure teeny pop like Britney to balladeers like Westlife to R+B/urban to a huge indie wave in04/05/06 to emo briefly, to electropop like Lady Gaga from 09-ish to general dance-influenced music as pop through the last 3 years or so. That is, pop music now has a lot more elements of stuff that would before have been thought of as dance music.
And through it all Pink's been there doing a fun upbeat pop-rock song, a nice soulful ballad, and a few other general pure pop/pop-rock songs, all with her very earnest, honest voice.
She's definitely been able to stand out against whatever's in vogue at the time but not by being 'weird' or by trying too hard, she's just kind of stuck to her guns and made positive music.
That's where I think she is the opposite to Gaga, who has always tried very hard to stand out and it shows. That's not to say that Pink's look and sound etc arent informed by board meetings and management - arent every artist's, at least a bit? But with Pink she just always comes across as a very honest individual who genuinely makes the kind of music that she wants to, maybe modified a bit here and there so as to appeal more to a wider audience, whereas Gaga seems to try very hard to say what people want to hear, or (now, in my opinion) to act out because that's what people expect of her.
I think Pink is actually a very good businesswoman and in that regard might be compared in the future to Madonna, in terms of being very in control of her sound and image and not being forced about.
Artpop sold 2.9 million in two months worldwide. It might not be her best seller, but that is a figure that 99% of signed artists would kill for. She is also one of the highest grossing touring acts consistently in the world. It is a total fabrication to label her irrelevent because she can't sell.
By contrast, Rihanna's most recent album 'Unapologetic' sold 2.3 million units in a similar timespan. That is no criticism of Rihanna because that is also an enormous achievement (and she is not a typical album selling act - she has enormous single sales and revenue from product endorsements) but it contextualises the undeniable success of Artpop.
"On Wednesday’s showing, the reliance on material from her latest, and weakest, album Artpop — 12 of its 15 tracks were played in the 21 song set — shackled the affair somewhat, leaving the sense that, as enjoyable as it was, it could have been more so. When she constructed the show, she was probably expecting massive success and acceptance for the new album. That hasn’t happened and the disappointing crowd reflected that, and an adjustment may have been warranted."
That was for last night's concert in Perth, Australia. Well it's already Aug 22nd out there, which is the date on the article.
Artpop sold 2.9 million in two months worldwide. It might not be her best seller, but that is a figure that 99% of signed artists would kill for. She is also one of the highest grossing touring acts consistently in the world. It is a total fabrication to label her irrelevent because she can't sell.
By contrast, Rihanna's most recent album 'Unapologetic' sold 2.3 million units in a similar timespan. That is no criticism of Rihanna because that is also an enormous achievement (and she is not a typical album selling act - she has enormous single sales and revenue from product endorsements) but it contextualises the undeniable success of Artpop.
Watch how sales decline on her next album.
Its just a general perception that she's just not hot or current any more.
When Young people talk about the pop girls they mean: Rita, Bey, Nicky M, Taylor, Rihanna, Katy, Miley. She's just not on the top list anymore. Surely this is obvious??
Artpop sold 2.9 million in two months worldwide. It might not be her best seller, but that is a figure that 99% of signed artists would kill for. She is also one of the highest grossing touring acts consistently in the world. It is a total fabrication to label her irrelevent because she can't sell.
By contrast, Rihanna's most recent album 'Unapologetic' sold 2.3 million units in a similar timespan. That is no criticism of Rihanna because that is also an enormous achievement (and she is not a typical album selling act - she has enormous single sales and revenue from product endorsements) but it contextualises the undeniable success of Artpop.
ARTPOP has sold 2.3-5M at this curt time she is nowhere near 3m.
Which brings to light another Issue with gaga. She over inflates her sales and numbers to appear more successful than she is which is transparent and makes her look desperate and like a Liar. Prism has outsold ARTPOP in album and singl e sales as have other countless artists lets not BS.
"On Wednesday’s showing, the reliance on material from her latest, and weakest, album Artpop — 12 of its 15 tracks were played in the 21 song set — shackled the affair somewhat, leaving the sense that, as enjoyable as it was, it could have been more so. When she constructed the show, she was probably expecting massive success and acceptance for the new album. That hasn’t happened and the disappointing crowd reflected that, and an adjustment may have been warranted."
That was for last night's concert in Perth, Australia. Well it's already Aug 22nd out there, which is the date on the article.
To be fair its standard for artists to play most of their new albums at their gigs. After all thats what tours are for- to promote the latest album.
I would expect a high percentage of ANY gig to be the latest album
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Gaga might be fondly remembered by some, but similarly she's also imploded and no longer selling records.
Game over, time to move on.
Madonna is an exception to the rule, and Gaga does not hold a candle to her.
I'm in no way, shape for form trying to deny the impact Gaga or SG had on the music industry, but they are not relevant these days
Small things like that are the game changers.
I think you are a bit early talking about Gaga being fondly remembered. Artpop was a top 10 selling album last year. Perhaps not the best seller expected but Gaga does still sell records. The Spice Girls heyday was in the mid to late 90s, different generation.
Actually the Spice greatest hits has been a slow burner since 2007 selling slowly on and off over time. I wouldn't be surprised if it is now around or even over 500k in the UK now
Also Headlines (Friendship Never Ends) got released the week after the greatest hits so was destined to do badly because of that. It also barely got promoted other than a performance on CIN. Had they performed it on loads of TV shows I have no doubt it would have been Top 5.
When you consider that 10 of the fifteen tracks from it came from two albums that sold around 40 - 50 million worldwide combined not really.
Also that 500k is just the UK sales I am sure the Spice GH sold a good few million worldwide.
My point is they still sell records even now and who knows the potential for them in a well promoted fourth studio album. I doubt it'll happen but you never know.
I actually have a feeling that Rihanna may be on her way to not being relevant any more as I'm not sure how she's going to keep people interested. She's changed so much throughout her career and I'm not sure what she can do next.
I think that relevancy today has actually more to do with being a great live performer than chart positions or changing your sound or look.
Pink is a fantastic passionate live performer. Rihanna on the other hand always acts bored during her shows.
How well are Gaga's tours doing? I don't think it helps her that she does cancel dates or cuts tours short. I saw her once on her very first tour. To be fair, I guess she wasn't as experienced performing live then, but I wasn't too impressed. I found her performance kind of disjointed and sloppy.
Public just bored of her, she's all about gimmicks and doesn't realise by wearing countless outfits is not gonna keep people interested.
Agreed and I thought she was useless talking to the audience, as if she was just regurgitating a script because she had to.
The VMAs? thats the spirit measure of quality now? the loss of music and more focus on the "star" and the videos they create? (which are often just crap soft core porn, and adverts for gaudy shit products)
If anything, Gaga not performing gives her some small credibility. Plenty of classics and true greats have never been on the VMAs, as they could stand on their own with the music, not some crap video that was born out of a marketing meeting.
it was weird, no mention of the charity i think her problem is shes gone too far left field and put people off by being overly dramatic over every little thing, she was humorous on chat shows a couple of years ago, but she isn't being invited as she has nothing to promote so we dont see the humour just the weird, thats making people drop off.
I think her desperation has put off a lot of casual listeners and therefore she's not 'cool'.
Does she do well in Japan?
Pink certainly has longevity, but if other artists started using her as a template then we'd have a bunch of artists who'd fail to evolve.
I like Pink but it feels she has been rehashing the same sound for the past 10 years now:(
As a big pink fan myself I have to agree with this. She seems to repeat herself especially with her singles. Cheesy fun pop lead single, her 2nd singles being her best (IMO) then so so 3rd singles. I'd like her to try something new but at the same time if it ain't broke and all that. I get why she sticks to it
I think she sticks to it too because the music world changes around her, and when it changes around her and she doesnt change, it seems more like she's being different and having her own sound.
14 years she's been going right? In that time the major force in the charts has shifted from pure teeny pop like Britney to balladeers like Westlife to R+B/urban to a huge indie wave in04/05/06 to emo briefly, to electropop like Lady Gaga from 09-ish to general dance-influenced music as pop through the last 3 years or so. That is, pop music now has a lot more elements of stuff that would before have been thought of as dance music.
And through it all Pink's been there doing a fun upbeat pop-rock song, a nice soulful ballad, and a few other general pure pop/pop-rock songs, all with her very earnest, honest voice.
She's definitely been able to stand out against whatever's in vogue at the time but not by being 'weird' or by trying too hard, she's just kind of stuck to her guns and made positive music.
That's where I think she is the opposite to Gaga, who has always tried very hard to stand out and it shows. That's not to say that Pink's look and sound etc arent informed by board meetings and management - arent every artist's, at least a bit? But with Pink she just always comes across as a very honest individual who genuinely makes the kind of music that she wants to, maybe modified a bit here and there so as to appeal more to a wider audience, whereas Gaga seems to try very hard to say what people want to hear, or (now, in my opinion) to act out because that's what people expect of her.
I think Pink is actually a very good businesswoman and in that regard might be compared in the future to Madonna, in terms of being very in control of her sound and image and not being forced about.
By contrast, Rihanna's most recent album 'Unapologetic' sold 2.3 million units in a similar timespan. That is no criticism of Rihanna because that is also an enormous achievement (and she is not a typical album selling act - she has enormous single sales and revenue from product endorsements) but it contextualises the undeniable success of Artpop.
"On Wednesday’s showing, the reliance on material from her latest, and weakest, album Artpop — 12 of its 15 tracks were played in the 21 song set — shackled the affair somewhat, leaving the sense that, as enjoyable as it was, it could have been more so. When she constructed the show, she was probably expecting massive success and acceptance for the new album. That hasn’t happened and the disappointing crowd reflected that, and an adjustment may have been warranted."
That was for last night's concert in Perth, Australia. Well it's already Aug 22nd out there, which is the date on the article.
Watch how sales decline on her next album.
Its just a general perception that she's just not hot or current any more.
When Young people talk about the pop girls they mean: Rita, Bey, Nicky M, Taylor, Rihanna, Katy, Miley. She's just not on the top list anymore. Surely this is obvious??
ARTPOP has sold 2.3-5M at this curt time she is nowhere near 3m.
Which brings to light another Issue with gaga. She over inflates her sales and numbers to appear more successful than she is which is transparent and makes her look desperate and like a Liar. Prism has outsold ARTPOP in album and singl e sales as have other countless artists lets not BS.
I would expect a high percentage of ANY gig to be the latest album