But if the garden wasn't secure why did the dog not attempt, as far as we know, to get out?
Perhaps the child clambered up on something in their own garden? We just don't know.
Dogs don't always try to escape. They usually like where they live.
Staffies, I think, are the only breed actually recommended by the Kennel Club as suitable with kids. I'm not at all a staffie fan, ugly buggers as far as I am concerned, but it's thug owners who have thuggish dogs, in general.
Dogs don't always try to escape. They usually like where they live.
Staffies, I think, are the only breed actually recommended by the Kennel Club as suitable with kids. I'm not at all a staffie fan, ugly buggers as far as I am concerned, but it's thug owners who have thuggish dogs, in general.
A properly-socialised Staff has an adorable habit: sitting on your feet and looking up at you backwards. They are very cute when they do that. It is a slightly catlike behaviour that I've only noticed in Staffs.
You are right about the escaping thing though. Even those that do get out of gardens, usually come back.
Mostly owned by males who use these animals publicly to improve their virility status, make them more of a man (although that is impossible) and as hard as nails.
Mostly gaunt, alcohol infused, sleep deprived, tatooed and shaved headed clones - Otherwise known as Knob Head Chavs.
PS - They normally have a gobby wife/girlfriend, grey track suit and ponytail that rules the roost but allows them their drinking habit like a pimp.
Chavs do indeed seem to be drawn to this particular breed, which is obv worrying as they have them for status or protection etc. II think there should be a licence requirement for dogs which would hopefully prevent irresponsible ppl and chavs from owning certain breeds.
Chavs do indeed seem to be drawn to this particular breed, which is obv worrying as they have them for status or protection etc. II think there should be a licence requirement for dogs which would hopefully prevent irresponsible ppl and chavs from owning certain breeds.
Can we also sterilise them ALL after having two children max? It seems that the only thing that IS working with them is the power to reproduce, again and again and again and again....
Dogs don't always try to escape. They usually like where they live.
Staffies, I think, are the only breed actually recommended by the Kennel Club as suitable with kids. I'm not at all a staffie fan, ugly buggers as far as I am concerned, but it's thug owners who have thuggish dogs, in general.
Well after all the hooo haaa about Staffies, the dog wasnt even a staffie anyway.
From ~Sky news last night:
The child suffered serious facial injuries when he was mauled by a Staffordshire bull terrier-type dog in a neighbour's back garden in Swindon on Sunday evening.
The dog was a type which means it was probably mixed with something else, so would not have true staffie instincts for kids etc.
I wish the reporting was a bit more accurate as all it does is makes people anti a breed which it isnt necessary.
From what the owner said on telly yesterday the child opened their gate and got into the garden. Perhaps if the grand father lived close the child mistook the gate or garden as his. Terrace houses all look the same when you are only two years old. Poor little thing, but you cant blame the owner no way. I always have my dog out in MY garden as she can come and go through a dog flap. How can I possible keep an eye on the garden 247. It was a tragic accident where a young child who was out on his own (thankfully not picked up by a peodophile), and a dog who was in his own garden protecting as dogs do.
Its a bit unfair to say this because EVERY living creature has natural instincts of fight or flight. Dogs bite (as do any other animal) out of fear, dogs who are trained to bite are trained through the controlled use of fear. If you train a dog and socialise them properly (thats both with people AND other dogs) the natural instinct seldom, if ever, arises.
I have never had a dog who is trained as a pup that is aggressive or shows a natural instinct to attack. The only dogs I see like this are those who are brought to me after they have been allowed to develop their own behaviour or those who have been mistreated.
I'm not a fan of staffies. My mother in law has a female one and when i went round to give her a bday card the dog jumped up as though it was friendly, and then she started biting my hand. It was f**king painful.
The mother in laws reply? "that's her playing with you"
Just a few weeks ago the staffie grabbed her other dog by the neck and wouldn't let go for ages. This was out of the blue. Both dogs were fine just before this occured.
I know some can be ok to have as pets, i keep reading this, but i've yet to meet them myself in person.
You can't fully trust them. And they kinda look evil if you feel like being truly honest.
Nothing to do with wild wolves, I'm talking about dog's, They still have inherently wild instincts and 12,000 years of so called domestication hasn't changed that fact.
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I'm sorry but this 'fact' is absolutely wrong wrong wrong. It is estimated that a wild species can be domesticated in about 30-40 generations of breeding (about 150-200 yeards) through selective breeding so after 12000 years of selective breeding, the wild instinct is most certainly not there in a domestic environment. The protective instinct of either themselves or their owner will be there BUT this is NOT a wild instinct.
Your response is common among those who hate dogs and regularly used as a reason they should be banned but is fundamentally incorrect!
I'm not a fan of staffies. My mother in law has a female one and when i went round to give her a bday card the dog jumped up as though it was friendly, and then she started biting my hand. It was f**king painful.
The mother in laws reply? "that's her playing with you"
Just a few weeks ago the staffie grabbed her other dog by the neck and wouldn't let go for ages. This was out of the blue. Both dogs were fine just before this occured.
I know some can be ok to have as pets, i keep reading this, but i've yet to meet them myself in person.
You can't fully trust them. And they kinda look evil if you feel like being truly honest.
Actually playful biting or nipping is common when dogs get excited. This doesn't hurt other dogs but agree this is quite painful for people and shouldn't be encouraged by the owner.
My dog used to nip my bum when he did something right and I rewarded him during training. It was completely playful but left a quite a bruise.
I'm sorry but this is absolutely wrong wrong wrong. It is estimated that a wild species can be domesticated in about 30-40 generations of breeding (about 150-200 yeards) through selective breeding so after 12000 years of selective breeding, the wild instinct is most certainly not there in a domestic environment. The protective instinct of either themselves or their owner will be there BUT this is NOT a wild instinct.
I'm sorry but this is absolutely wrong wrong wrong. It is estimated that a wild species can be domesticated in about 30-40 generations of breeding (about 150-200 yeards) through selective breeding so after 12000 years of selective breeding, the wild instinct is most certainly not there in a domestic environment. The protective instinct of either themselves or their owner will be there BUT this is NOT a wild instinct.
Your response is common among those who hate dogs and regularly used as a reason they should be banned but is fundamentally incorrect!
Less than that - did you see a documentary a few years back about a Russian program to selectively breed the wild Silver Fox to produce a domestic version that was easier to handle for the fur trade.
In less than 50 years they produced foxes with no agression at all that could be easily handled by breeding the least fearful.
The also produced some utter b'stard foxes - but that was deliberately from breeding the most agressive/fearful.
What was interesting was that different physical characteristics went alongside the different temperaments such as changes to colour and coming into heat more often.
Domestication of dogs would have been similar - with the least fearful of humans coming close to the camps for food/warmth and therefore exploiting an evolutionary niche. Those that suited a task that humans could exploit - such as guarding or flushing - would be bred to those that shared the same trait, leading to the temperments, skills and looks we have today*
* with the cadveat that indescriminate commercial breeding and breeding for looks (thanks KC) have wreaked many breeds, so perhaps hsould have said the breeds we had 100 - 50 years ago.
Indeed, look at the Golden Cocker. At one point they were the devil dogs with many attacks - all because of over use of popular studs with suspect temperments and possible 'Mad Cockers Disease'/Rage Syndrome leading to some very nasty dogs in the 70's. While Rage seems to occur in other colours of Cocker and different breeds now, the Golden Cocker is largely reformed due to careful breeding. That is show dog to devil dog to family pet in 40 years.
ETA: Beaten by Mallaha - my connection was playing up honest - I'm not really that slow!!
Indeed, look at the Golden Cocker. At one point they were the devil dogs with many attacks - all because of over use of popular studs with suspect temperments and possible 'Mad Cockers Disease'/Rage Syndrome leading to some very nasty dogs in the 70's. While Rage seems to occur in other colours of Cocker and different breeds now, the Golden Cocker is largely reformed due to careful breeding. That is show dog to devil dog to family pet in 40 years.
ETA: Beaten by Mallaha - my connection was playing up honest - I'm not really that slow!!
I've got a French bulldog, lovely, playful, loyal...but he hates other dogs and is very aggressive towards them. We've also three children, two being very young, and although the dog's gentle with us and them I would NEVER leave the little ones alone with him.
Same applies to the cat who is a vicious shit with everyone.
Please do. Malamutes require a crazy amount of exercise as well as a pack with a strong dominant owner. I'm not surprised it's howling as it's probably stressing at being left on it's own as they are quite sociable and love interacting with people. They're great family dogs to be honest (although you need to be able to control them as they're strong willed), but if it's howling a lot them something is not right with it as they're generally pretty quiet dogs.
I reported them but was virtually told to mind my own business because the dog was not in bad condition or being physically harmed.
I decided to take a different approach and asked the owners if myself and my fiancee could walk him with our dogs. He said yes, so at least he'll get walked.
Mostly owned by males who use these animals publicly to improve their virility status, make them more of a man (although that is impossible) and as hard as nails.
Mostly gaunt, alcohol infused, sleep deprived, tatooed and shaved headed clones - Otherwise known as Knob Head Chavs.
PS - They normally have a gobby wife/girlfriend, grey track suit and ponytail that rules the roost but allows them their drinking habit like a pimp.
Mostly owned by males who use these animals publicly to improve their virility status, make them more of a man (although that is impossible) and as hard as nails.
If being charged at and licked by dogs who then roll over for a tummy rub makes you seem more of a man then im well 'ard!
I've got a French bulldog, lovely, playful, loyal...but he hates other dogs and is very aggressive towards them. We've also three children, two being very young, and although the dog's gentle with us and them I would NEVER leave the little ones alone with him.
Same applies to the cat who is a vicious shit with everyone.
I completely agree, it is entirely irresponsible to leave a child alone with a dog.
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Perhaps the child clambered up on something in their own garden? We just don't know.
Dogs don't always try to escape. They usually like where they live.
Staffies, I think, are the only breed actually recommended by the Kennel Club as suitable with kids. I'm not at all a staffie fan, ugly buggers as far as I am concerned, but it's thug owners who have thuggish dogs, in general.
A properly-socialised Staff has an adorable habit: sitting on your feet and looking up at you backwards. They are very cute when they do that. It is a slightly catlike behaviour that I've only noticed in Staffs.
You are right about the escaping thing though. Even those that do get out of gardens, usually come back.
Mostly gaunt, alcohol infused, sleep deprived, tatooed and shaved headed clones - Otherwise known as Knob Head Chavs.
PS - They normally have a gobby wife/girlfriend, grey track suit and ponytail that rules the roost but allows them their drinking habit like a pimp.
I may be generalising here but not greatly.
Can we also sterilise them ALL after having two children max? It seems that the only thing that IS working with them is the power to reproduce, again and again and again and again....
Well after all the hooo haaa about Staffies, the dog wasnt even a staffie anyway.
From ~Sky news last night:
The child suffered serious facial injuries when he was mauled by a Staffordshire bull terrier-type dog in a neighbour's back garden in Swindon on Sunday evening.
The dog was a type which means it was probably mixed with something else, so would not have true staffie instincts for kids etc.
I wish the reporting was a bit more accurate as all it does is makes people anti a breed which it isnt necessary.
From what the owner said on telly yesterday the child opened their gate and got into the garden. Perhaps if the grand father lived close the child mistook the gate or garden as his. Terrace houses all look the same when you are only two years old. Poor little thing, but you cant blame the owner no way. I always have my dog out in MY garden as she can come and go through a dog flap. How can I possible keep an eye on the garden 247. It was a tragic accident where a young child who was out on his own (thankfully not picked up by a peodophile), and a dog who was in his own garden protecting as dogs do.
Very sad all round.:(
Its a bit unfair to say this because EVERY living creature has natural instincts of fight or flight. Dogs bite (as do any other animal) out of fear, dogs who are trained to bite are trained through the controlled use of fear. If you train a dog and socialise them properly (thats both with people AND other dogs) the natural instinct seldom, if ever, arises.
I have never had a dog who is trained as a pup that is aggressive or shows a natural instinct to attack. The only dogs I see like this are those who are brought to me after they have been allowed to develop their own behaviour or those who have been mistreated.
The mother in laws reply? "that's her playing with you"
Just a few weeks ago the staffie grabbed her other dog by the neck and wouldn't let go for ages. This was out of the blue. Both dogs were fine just before this occured.
I know some can be ok to have as pets, i keep reading this, but i've yet to meet them myself in person.
You can't fully trust them. And they kinda look evil if you feel like being truly honest.
BIB
I'm sorry but this 'fact' is absolutely wrong wrong wrong. It is estimated that a wild species can be domesticated in about 30-40 generations of breeding (about 150-200 yeards) through selective breeding so after 12000 years of selective breeding, the wild instinct is most certainly not there in a domestic environment. The protective instinct of either themselves or their owner will be there BUT this is NOT a wild instinct.
Your response is common among those who hate dogs and regularly used as a reason they should be banned but is fundamentally incorrect!
Actually playful biting or nipping is common when dogs get excited. This doesn't hurt other dogs but agree this is quite painful for people and shouldn't be encouraged by the owner.
My dog used to nip my bum when he did something right and I rewarded him during training. It was completely playful but left a quite a bruise.
It's less than that. Take a look at the Siberian Fox Farm Experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAV6ywEDfNE
It was only an estimate that I read in a science mag, I wouldn't be surprised if its quicker. I think it was referring mainly to big cats!
Less than that - did you see a documentary a few years back about a Russian program to selectively breed the wild Silver Fox to produce a domestic version that was easier to handle for the fur trade.
In less than 50 years they produced foxes with no agression at all that could be easily handled by breeding the least fearful.
The also produced some utter b'stard foxes - but that was deliberately from breeding the most agressive/fearful.
What was interesting was that different physical characteristics went alongside the different temperaments such as changes to colour and coming into heat more often.
Domestication of dogs would have been similar - with the least fearful of humans coming close to the camps for food/warmth and therefore exploiting an evolutionary niche. Those that suited a task that humans could exploit - such as guarding or flushing - would be bred to those that shared the same trait, leading to the temperments, skills and looks we have today*
* with the cadveat that indescriminate commercial breeding and breeding for looks (thanks KC) have wreaked many breeds, so perhaps hsould have said the breeds we had 100 - 50 years ago.
Indeed, look at the Golden Cocker. At one point they were the devil dogs with many attacks - all because of over use of popular studs with suspect temperments and possible 'Mad Cockers Disease'/Rage Syndrome leading to some very nasty dogs in the 70's. While Rage seems to occur in other colours of Cocker and different breeds now, the Golden Cocker is largely reformed due to careful breeding. That is show dog to devil dog to family pet in 40 years.
ETA: Beaten by Mallaha - my connection was playing up honest - I'm not really that slow!!
Mad Cockers Disease?:D:D
Same applies to the cat who is a vicious shit with everyone.
Please report them, that poor dog
I reported them but was virtually told to mind my own business because the dog was not in bad condition or being physically harmed.
I decided to take a different approach and asked the owners if myself and my fiancee could walk him with our dogs. He said yes, so at least he'll get walked.
you've just described most of my neighbours.
Honestly - that's what Rage Syndrome was called in the 70's & 80's when it was only really recognised in Golden Cocker Spaniels (and a few Black)
If being charged at and licked by dogs who then roll over for a tummy rub makes you seem more of a man then im well 'ard!
I completely agree, it is entirely irresponsible to leave a child alone with a dog.