No one calls the police in ED anymore, just Cain! The amount of times, for example, in tonight's episode that Cain was mentioned when they were talking about Belle's attack!
Cain is the one that is feared, just like Phil is in EE.
No one calls the police in ED anymore, just Cain! The amount of times, for example, in tonight's episode that Cain was mentioned when they were talking about Belle's attack!
Cain is the one that is feared, just like Phil is in EE.
I think they should do a soap crossover with those two there's no way they would get on and you know there would be a fight.
Except the difference is Cain has had development and they've toned him down after Zak attacked him 2 years ago. He protects his family, but he doesn't get involved in anything dodgy anymore after settling with Moira. Phil is treated like an unbeatable baddie who everyone should fear and bow down to.
Except the difference is Cain has had development and they've toned him down after Zak attacked him 2 years ago. He protects his family, but he doesn't get involved in anything dodgy anymore after settling with Moira. Phil is treated like an unbeatable baddie who everyone should fear and bow down to.
I agree! Cain has matured and settled down becoming more mellow as he gets older. He's believable as an older man with a past reputation as a hard man. He is also quite trim and looks fit whereas Phil doesn't look like he could run around the Square even once. Worse than that Phil has won against muscular, fit young men half his age in one on one fights. Phil just isn't credible, all this "you're a Mitchell" stuff is ridiculous.
I agree with that, but it just stood out in last night's episode how Cain was the one mentioned all the time when talking about his family and protecting it etc. Just got me thinking
I agree! Cain has matured and settled down becoming more mellow as he gets older. He's believable as an older man with a past reputation as a hard man. He is also quite trim and looks fit whereas Phil doesn't look like he could run around the Square even once. Worse than that Phil has won against muscular, fit young men half his age in one on one fights. Phil just isn't credible, all this "you're a Mitchell" stuff is ridiculous.
That woman he abducted the other week didn't seem very impressed with his reputation - in fact she'd never even heard of him
There's a car stealing scam going on right under his nose at the farm & he hasn't even noticed.
The old Cain wouldn't have been blind to that!
He hasn't matured or settled down - he's just had a character re-write!
I agree with that, but it just stood out in last night's episode how Cain was the one mentioned all the time when talking about his family and protecting it etc. Just got me thinking
I have been thinking exactly the same thing and it's getting boring ....Cain's character has been completely ruined imo,,,get him away from Moira and bring the old Cain back..
big difference is Cain has developed and matured with still a hard side if needed....Phil is exactly the same as he has been for the last 20 years or more and struts around as if she owns the place..another big difference Cain is gorgeous with a beautiful wife and Phil has Sharon:D:D
Don't get me wrong, I love Cain. It just struck me last night how much his family and the Whites were talking about him in all that was going on.
Yes I noticed that too they did seem afraid of him which I found strange because how do they know anything about their new neighbour Cain's reputation yet?
I did notice they used it a lot last night, which was a bit OTT.
On the whole though, I think the Dingles would expect either Cain or Zak to deal with teenager(s) who were assaulting Belle, and as they all seem to think Zak is unable to cope with anything these days, then Cain by default is the one they'll call on - and they treat him like an attack dog anyway.
Why wouldn't Chrissie have heard about the Dingles' reputation - and Cain's especially? He's the local psycho! It doesn't matter that just about everyone in the village has done terrible things, Cain's the one who goes around conducting vengeance campaigns and starting fights, so he's the one whose reputation precedes him. Blimmin' eck we all know people who you don't get on the wrong side of, because one way or another they'll make your life a misery,whether it's old fashioned intimidation or having the police and council on speed dial as a weapon. Val warned her off Cain, Charity and Debbie a few weeks ago in the pub. Robert will know Cain of old, and they also employ Nicola, whose one regret in life is that no one employs town criers any more. Pearl's bound to have cornered them in the pub, shop or cafe, and filled in any gaps about the locals that Nicola missed out.
I've no idea what Phil's like these days, but I think that they've shown quite a believable character progression for Cain, especially as the Dingles do seem to be expecting him to fill Zak's shoes (Zak being considered generally past it by the family:o). It's not a huge surprise that he didn't scare Maxine. She's running a protection racket in a prison, she's probably a pretty hardened criminal herself.
If you want a proper gangster in soap there's always River City's Lenny Murdoch (Frank Gallagher) - who is in his fifties and you certainly wouldn't get on the wrong side of him. He's portrayed not just as a hard man, but as one who's involved in serious organised crime, and is capable of cold blooded murder, yet lives and runs legitimate businesses in the community (well, legit on the surface). The Glasgow Hardman is a Glaswegian cliche that they like to perpetuate, but he still comes across as a character who you would know not to mess with, regardless of his age and physical fitness. I think with his past they would have had to have Cain go down this route if they hadn't chosen to mellow him instead, and frankly there's enough crime in ED without going down the Lenny Murdoch path! I think Lenny works in a Glasgow set soap along with the much more decent, warmer likeable characters to balance him out, because it is a kind of cultural cliche about Glasgow, and it allows them to build in stories about serious social problems like drug dealing, which they usually handle well but it can be very, very dark at times. I think ED was in danger of going down that route and is pulling back from it.
I do agree that cain's being slow to rumble the car scam though - especially as he doesn't trust Charity as far as he can throw her.
big difference is Cain has developed and matured with still a hard side if needed....Phil is exactly the same as he has been for the last 20 years or more and struts around as if she owns the place..another big difference Cain is gorgeous with a beautiful wife and Phil has Sharon:D:D
big difference is Cain has developed and matured with still a hard side if needed....Phil is exactly the same as he has been for the last 20 years or more and struts around as if she owns the place..another big difference Cain is gorgeous with a beautiful wife and Phil has Sharon:D:D
Did I imagine Phil comforting Ian after Lucy's death or accepting Ben's sexuality. Cain still bullies people when he wants to and Phil was never as nasty as him when his own father had to smash his skull in. Still maybe because Cain is 'gorgeous' people pick what to see.
big difference is Cain has developed and matured with still a hard side if needed....Phil is exactly the same as he has been for the last 20 years or more and struts around as if she owns the place..another big difference Cain is gorgeous with a beautiful wife and Phil has Sharon:D:D
Not really. He only became a comical super-villain after Grant left. Before that he was the down-to-earth Mitchell brother who had to keep Grant in check.
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I agree! Cain has matured and settled down becoming more mellow as he gets older. He's believable as an older man with a past reputation as a hard man. He is also quite trim and looks fit whereas Phil doesn't look like he could run around the Square even once. Worse than that Phil has won against muscular, fit young men half his age in one on one fights. Phil just isn't credible, all this "you're a Mitchell" stuff is ridiculous.
There's a car stealing scam going on right under his nose at the farm & he hasn't even noticed.
The old Cain wouldn't have been blind to that!
He hasn't matured or settled down - he's just had a character re-write!
I have been thinking exactly the same thing and it's getting boring ....Cain's character has been completely ruined imo,,,get him away from Moira and bring the old Cain back..
Yes I noticed that too they did seem afraid of him which I found strange because how do they know anything about their new neighbour Cain's reputation yet?
On the whole though, I think the Dingles would expect either Cain or Zak to deal with teenager(s) who were assaulting Belle, and as they all seem to think Zak is unable to cope with anything these days, then Cain by default is the one they'll call on - and they treat him like an attack dog anyway.
Why wouldn't Chrissie have heard about the Dingles' reputation - and Cain's especially? He's the local psycho! It doesn't matter that just about everyone in the village has done terrible things, Cain's the one who goes around conducting vengeance campaigns and starting fights, so he's the one whose reputation precedes him.
I've no idea what Phil's like these days, but I think that they've shown quite a believable character progression for Cain, especially as the Dingles do seem to be expecting him to fill Zak's shoes (Zak being considered generally past it by the family:o). It's not a huge surprise that he didn't scare Maxine. She's running a protection racket in a prison, she's probably a pretty hardened criminal herself.
If you want a proper gangster in soap there's always River City's Lenny Murdoch (Frank Gallagher) - who is in his fifties and you certainly wouldn't get on the wrong side of him. He's portrayed not just as a hard man, but as one who's involved in serious organised crime, and is capable of cold blooded murder, yet lives and runs legitimate businesses in the community (well, legit on the surface). The Glasgow Hardman is a Glaswegian cliche that they like to perpetuate, but he still comes across as a character who you would know not to mess with, regardless of his age and physical fitness. I think with his past they would have had to have Cain go down this route if they hadn't chosen to mellow him instead, and frankly there's enough crime in ED without going down the Lenny Murdoch path! I think Lenny works in a Glasgow set soap along with the much more decent, warmer likeable characters to balance him out, because it is a kind of cultural cliche about Glasgow, and it allows them to build in stories about serious social problems like drug dealing, which they usually handle well but it can be very, very dark at times. I think ED was in danger of going down that route and is pulling back from it.
I do agree that cain's being slow to rumble the car scam though - especially as he doesn't trust Charity as far as he can throw her.
Haha! Great post. Also I like the typo ;-)
bib: True. He would have joined in!
Never liked Cain, but at least his tiresome bully boy ways have been toned down. Unlike EE's Phil.
Did I imagine Phil comforting Ian after Lucy's death or accepting Ben's sexuality. Cain still bullies people when he wants to and Phil was never as nasty as him when his own father had to smash his skull in. Still maybe because Cain is 'gorgeous' people pick what to see.
Not really. He only became a comical super-villain after Grant left. Before that he was the down-to-earth Mitchell brother who had to keep Grant in check.