Delusional that only five people on DS dislike Moffat's work. Delusional that DW narrative from 2010 stands up to any basic scrutiny of its sense and logic. Delusional that "professional" TV reviewers are more clued up than the general audience. Delusional that DW was the top rated show of last year. Delusional that high ratings equals a quality programme (you must think "Mrs Brown's Boys" is the best thing on TV).
I've become very cynical on profession reviewers, unfortunately nowadays it seems very easy to get them on your side unless it's a real stinker. And some reviewers write like real fan boys.
Superman Returns was for me an absolute stinker but got rave reviews all over but does anybody really remember it with any affection.
Is it at all possible that everything we have seen so far is not real? That it is all in John's head (after all he was seeing a therapist as he was finding it hard to cope after Sherlock's death) Every character seems to have changed in some way. Molly has moved on. Sherlock is more personable, John has moved on, even Mycroft seems friendlier. May explain references to ghosts and relationships with them. Most likely rubbish though!!
I thought that at the end of the last episode when John and Sherlock were about to go out to face the media - when John says that he asked Sherlock not to be dead and Sherlock says 'I heard you' (or whatever it is he actually says). I felt like it was Sherlock saying 'I heard you anbd so here I am' - like John has made him come back because it's all in his head or because John wished it so.
But like others have said - it's going to get another series at least and that just won't work out.
But it isn't the truth is it? Many people have criticised the show, to say that it has not been criticised is an untruth. A few hacks writing for newspapers is not a cross section of the viewing audience.
I would say a cross section of impartial critics paid to do that very job and from broadsheets and tabloids and websites and fanzines and glossy magazines is a bit more representative than a few forum people. Yes I would. I suppose you know better though.
You can have your opinions. But you can't fight truth.
The first few reviews for tonight's episode that I could see online seem to be less glowing. Still generally positive but many mention the change in tone and/or the meandering structure.
e.g,In The Metro
But the story is unlikely to top many fans’ favourite episode lists. For me, it took too long to pull the threads together, rendering the narrative shapeless until the closing 20 minutes. Fans upset by a perceived increase in ‘soapy’ and humorous elements at the expense of plot in the opener will have more ammunition here.
The first few reviews for tonight's episode that I could see online seem to be less glowing. Still generally positive but many mention the change in tone and/or the meandering structure.
e.g,In The Metro
And some people have very short memories. I remember very unfavorable notices for The Blind Banker way back in S1. Did that mean the show was in crisis? Nope.
I remember The Guardian posting an article in S2 of Doctor Who suggesting the show might be trouble. Years later? International cinema screenings and the most watched show of the year.
So much noise on social media. People so quick to rubbish things. Thankfully the BBC are smarter than your average Twitter loudmouth.
and I could quote double that amount from my own timeline alone who loved the episode.
Telling that you said "from my own timeline"
They're from a simple search of the Sherlock hashtag. If your friends are all of the same mind as you, then maybe you need to get out of your own echo chamber?
How did Bainbridge manage to take all his clothes off, enter a shower, put shampoo in his hair and then .. collapse on the floor? Wouldn't removing the belt have released the skewer thing and caused major pain/collapsing?
I wondered that too. I think we were supposed to be so caught up in the reveal that we wouldn't have time to think about it.
They're from a simple search of the Sherlock hashtag. If your friends are all of the same mind as you, then maybe you need to get out of your own echo chamber?
They aren't. Some didn't like it. Some liked it alot more than I did.
You didn't even watch it! And yet here you are two hours later on a discussion thread about a TV show you didn't see. Sorry. Not taking you seriously.
The first few reviews for tonight's episode that I could see online seem to be less glowing. Still generally positive but many mention the change in tone and/or the meandering structure.
e.g,In The Metro
I'm not sure how the critics can be remotely negative about this episode when the last one, which they raved over, had all of the same faults.
Unfortunately I suspect that TV critics suffer slightly from Emperor's New Clothes syndrome as far as 'Sherlock' is concerned. It's the 'in' show at the moment and none of them want to be the first to come put and say 'good lord, that was utter s***e'.
And on and on and on. Same themes. Same conclusions. Moff needs to be dumped PDQ.
Let's remember that the British are only vocal (all five of them in this instance) when they have something they want to moan about. The vast majority (ie everyone else minus five and a few on here) are pretty happy and will therefore say nothing.
Not at all. I don't care about viewing figures. If I had my choice I would make Doctor Who alot more cult and less populist than it is. If I thought it would last. But I know it wouldn't. My point was that the Moffat haters are grasping at straws. The BBC do care about viewing figures, DVD sales, international popularity and critical acclaim. And whether you like it or not both Moffats shows get all those things. They don't care about forums like DS where even on the DW threads there are a core number of posters who don't even make triple figures. Just because those that hate Moffat are noisy and even start Twitter accounts dedicated to slating him the people in charge don't care.
Those that hate Moffat are no more noisy than those who love him. They are not clutching at straws, they are just looking forward to the day, which will come sooner or later, hopefully sooner, when he no longer pollutes their favourite TV programmes.
How disappointing. Series 1 & 2 were so good. We've waited two years for this - and we get self-indulgent nonsense.
Sadly, I have to agree.
I tried getting 2 people into it back on New Years day, who hadn't seen the first two series, only to be cringing for most of it. It just seemed like 'twaddle'. Both of them gave a distinct "hmm, don't know what to make of that".
After 2 years of some really great shows that aren't Sherlock, it's come back as some schoolboy nonsense with only a few flashes of it's old brilliance.
Sorry, but - "Moffat ruined Sherlock along with my hopes and dreams"? Would anyone in their right mind take any notice of someone who wrote that?
It's a bit scary, actually.
Indeed. I haven't even really liked the lat couple of episodes much, but goodness all this "PDQ" stuff being posted by someone who apparently watched three minutes of one episode of this series is slightly worrying in it's own right tbh….
Those that hate Moffat are no more noisy than those who love him. They are not clutching at straws, they are just looking forward to the day, which will come sooner or later, hopefully sooner, when he no longer pollutes their favourite TV programmes.
He created Sherlock. It is his show. You might have a point about DW..not that I agree. But without Moffat and Gatiss there is no Sherlock.
Those that hate Moffat are no more noisy than those who love him. They are not clutching at straws, they are just looking forward to the day, which will come sooner or later, hopefully sooner, when he no longer pollutes their favourite TV programmes.
He is just a bloke with a limited number of ideas.
When he first came to the fore they were fresh and entertaining..not so much for me now.
There is a lot to be said for the bigger writer groups the US has but of course that costs money.
I presume the big hint/spoiler/clue in this week's episode that was being referred to earlier was the content of one of the telegrams Sherlock read out.
The first few reviews for tonight's episode that I could see online seem to be less glowing. Still generally positive but many mention the change in tone and/or the meandering structure.
e.g,In The Metro
Clearly a very intelligent reviewer, that person ...
I make no bones about the fact I'm a Sherlock fan and therefore naturally predisposed to err on the side of favouring the show. But equally I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade. Ultimately it's just my opinion - it's no more or less valid than anyone else's, although I would point out that having some time to consider before writing my review does help to prevent knee-jerk reactions - and allows a bit of research around the story too.
I'd baulk at ever being referred to as a professional reviewer, though. I'm just a high-functioning sociopath, I mean enthusiastic amateur ...
Indeed. I haven't even really liked the lat couple of episodes much, but goodness all this "PDQ" stuff being posted by someone who apparently watched three minutes of one episode of this series is slightly worrying in it's own right tbh….
Exactly! I didn't like the last two episodes anywhere near as much as S2. Still great TV. But really. Its approaching madness when you're trying to debate an episode of TV with someone who claims not to have watched it.
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I've become very cynical on profession reviewers, unfortunately nowadays it seems very easy to get them on your side unless it's a real stinker. And some reviewers write like real fan boys.
Superman Returns was for me an absolute stinker but got rave reviews all over but does anybody really remember it with any affection.
Thanks Kapellmeister
I feel a bit better now...
Real person 2 -
https://twitter.com/quatermass_pitt/status/419936068642033664
Real person 3 -
https://twitter.com/Ollie__Martin/status/419950551133323264
Real person 4 -
https://twitter.com/SharpieArt/status/419954243509186560
Real person 5 -
https://twitter.com/nuneatonkev/status/419953055308972032
And on and on and on. Same themes. Same conclusions. Moff needs to be dumped PDQ.
I thought that at the end of the last episode when John and Sherlock were about to go out to face the media - when John says that he asked Sherlock not to be dead and Sherlock says 'I heard you' (or whatever it is he actually says). I felt like it was Sherlock saying 'I heard you anbd so here I am' - like John has made him come back because it's all in his head or because John wished it so.
But like others have said - it's going to get another series at least and that just won't work out.
I would say a cross section of impartial critics paid to do that very job and from broadsheets and tabloids and websites and fanzines and glossy magazines is a bit more representative than a few forum people. Yes I would. I suppose you know better though.
Personally I can't agree with any of those comments.
e.g,In The Metro
and I could quote double that amount from my own timeline alone who loved the episode.
Sorry, but - "Moffat ruined Sherlock along with my hopes and dreams"? Would anyone in their right mind take any notice of someone who wrote that?
It's a bit scary, actually.
And some people have very short memories. I remember very unfavorable notices for The Blind Banker way back in S1. Did that mean the show was in crisis? Nope.
I remember The Guardian posting an article in S2 of Doctor Who suggesting the show might be trouble. Years later? International cinema screenings and the most watched show of the year.
So much noise on social media. People so quick to rubbish things. Thankfully the BBC are smarter than your average Twitter loudmouth.
Telling that you said "from my own timeline"
They're from a simple search of the Sherlock hashtag. If your friends are all of the same mind as you, then maybe you need to get out of your own echo chamber?
I wondered that too. I think we were supposed to be so caught up in the reveal that we wouldn't have time to think about it.
They aren't. Some didn't like it. Some liked it alot more than I did.
You didn't even watch it! And yet here you are two hours later on a discussion thread about a TV show you didn't see. Sorry. Not taking you seriously.
I'm not sure how the critics can be remotely negative about this episode when the last one, which they raved over, had all of the same faults.
Unfortunately I suspect that TV critics suffer slightly from Emperor's New Clothes syndrome as far as 'Sherlock' is concerned. It's the 'in' show at the moment and none of them want to be the first to come put and say 'good lord, that was utter s***e'.
Let's remember that the British are only vocal (all five of them in this instance) when they have something they want to moan about. The vast majority (ie everyone else minus five and a few on here) are pretty happy and will therefore say nothing.
It's perfectly reasonable, like "George Lucas raped my childhood"
It's a TV show for God's sake...people on both sides need to chill.
And there's a middle ground that says that this is a middlingly entertaining show for the masses with some good stuff and some not so good.
Personally I'd give this episode 4/10 more because it was tedious than for any other reason.
Those that hate Moffat are no more noisy than those who love him. They are not clutching at straws, they are just looking forward to the day, which will come sooner or later, hopefully sooner, when he no longer pollutes their favourite TV programmes.
Sadly, I have to agree.
I tried getting 2 people into it back on New Years day, who hadn't seen the first two series, only to be cringing for most of it. It just seemed like 'twaddle'. Both of them gave a distinct "hmm, don't know what to make of that".
After 2 years of some really great shows that aren't Sherlock, it's come back as some schoolboy nonsense with only a few flashes of it's old brilliance.
I really want to like it.
Indeed. I haven't even really liked the lat couple of episodes much, but goodness all this "PDQ" stuff being posted by someone who apparently watched three minutes of one episode of this series is slightly worrying in it's own right tbh….
He created Sherlock. It is his show. You might have a point about DW..not that I agree. But without Moffat and Gatiss there is no Sherlock.
He is just a bloke with a limited number of ideas.
When he first came to the fore they were fresh and entertaining..not so much for me now.
There is a lot to be said for the bigger writer groups the US has but of course that costs money.
I make no bones about the fact I'm a Sherlock fan and therefore naturally predisposed to err on the side of favouring the show. But equally I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade. Ultimately it's just my opinion - it's no more or less valid than anyone else's, although I would point out that having some time to consider before writing my review does help to prevent knee-jerk reactions - and allows a bit of research around the story too.
I'd baulk at ever being referred to as a professional reviewer, though. I'm just a high-functioning sociopath, I mean enthusiastic amateur ...
Exactly! I didn't like the last two episodes anywhere near as much as S2. Still great TV. But really. Its approaching madness when you're trying to debate an episode of TV with someone who claims not to have watched it.