How do you know if you've never been (as you've as much as admitted on this thread)?
He has posted comments clearly showing he spent very little time outdoors and traveling around Australia and yet he feels qualified to critique the country's geography? Then he says that most people used to living in a hot climate stay indoors when it is 40c when that is simply not true or it would be true in other countries where similar or worse heat occurs.
A couple of days ago you were arguing on another thread about the American media, and saying that unless you'd lived, or spent some considerable time in America, you couldn't really comment.
Wrong! I said unless you were American you couldn't really know what most Americans view as being left or right. I never said anything about nobody being able to comment!
You've never been to Australia. The OP has, ergo, you cannot make any comment.
What I have challenged him on doesn't require me to even step foot in the country. I don't doubt his displeasure is genuine but from everything posted so far I would say most of his displeasure is self inflicted.
We can't criticise a country until we've visited all corners of said country? How does that work? I haven't been to Wales yet. Does this mean I shouldn't have criticised Britain all these years?
Have you been following the discussion? You can't criticize a country's geography if you have unknowingly made it clear that you actually spent very little time outdoors. And, yes, you can't reasonably criticize a country if you have failed to travel and visit most of it. Most also doesn't equal "all corners of said country."
As far as your Wales comment goes, the answer is yes if it involves things like geography.
I consider myself highly fortunate and thankful to be living in the UK. The opportunities for hard work and the ensuing rewards for doing so cannot be overstated.
Have you been following the discussion? You can't criticize a country's geography if you have unknowingly made it clear that you actually spent very little time outdoors. And, yes, you can't reasonably criticize a country if you have failed to travel and visit most of it. Most also doesn't equal "all corners of said country."
As far as your Wales comment goes, the answer is yes if it involves things like geography.
Yes, I have. I was responding to this part of your response: "he unknowingly showed that he actually spent little time outdoors and traveling throughout Australia".
I can play if you want to play that kind of game. "All corners of said country" doesn't necessarily mean geography either. It could refer to learning local cultures, politics, histories, accents, etc, and meeting with people from all corners of a country in one place. Like this forum, for instance.
Yes, I have. I was responding to this part of your response: "he unknowingly showed that he actually spent little time outdoors and traveling throughout Australia".
To which you somehow equate "throughout Australia" with "all corners." That makes no sense.
I can play if you want to play that kind of game. "All corners of said country" doesn't necessarily mean geography either. It could refer to learning local cultures, politics, histories, accents, etc, and meeting with people from all corners of a country in one place. Like this forum, for instance.
I was addressing his comments about the geography of Australia!
Again, you are not making sense. He was specifically criticizing the geography of the country. One can not reasonably do that if one obviously doesn't spend much time outdoors, in the first place, and traveling throughout the country, in the second place.
I was addressing his comments about the geography of Australia!
Again, you are not making sense. He was specifically criticizing the geography of the country. One can not reasonably do that if one obviously doesn't spend much time outdoors, in the first place, and traveling throughout the country, in the second place.
TBH - I don't spend a great deal of time outdoors and haven't travelled this country extensively - I would however feel more confident in talking about the Geography/vibe/atmosphere of this country than someone who'd never set foot here.
The OP was speaking of his own experience of Australia as he experienced it. Seems fair enough to me - his judgement is his opinion and perfectly valid.
TBH - I don't spend a great deal of time outdoors and haven't travelled this country extensively - I would however feel more confident in talking about the Geography/vibe/atmosphere of this country than someone who'd never set foot here.
Nothing to do with "vibe/atmosphere" as I was strictly talking about geography. I don't know why people are trying to twist my words.
Your knowledge of geography in your example, just as with the person I was addressing, could not logically be used to judge the geography of a country in a negative or positive light compared to another country. I could have lived my entire life in a cave and that statement would still be just as true. In other words, my knowledge of the geography of Australia is irrelevant.
The OP was speaking of his own experience of Australia as he experienced it. Seems fair enough to me - his judgement is his opinion and perfectly valid.
The OP described the geography of Australia in a negative light in comparison to the UK when he has made it very clear that he spent very little time outdoors and traveling the country. That makes no sense.
Of course he is entitled to his opinion. I never said or suggested he wasn't. I am simply saying his opinion on the geography of Australia doesn't make sense.
Ultimately, my comments are showing how flawed and self-inflicted people's views and bad experiences can be about their expat experience.
Nothing to do with "vibe/atmosphere" as I was strictly talking about geography. I don't know why people are trying to twist my words.
Your knowledge of geography in your example, just as with the person I was addressing, could not logically be used to judge the geography of a country in a negative or positive light compared to another country. I could have lived my entire life in a cave and that statement would still be just as true. In other words, my knowledge of the geography of Australia is irrelevant.
The OP described the geography of Australia in a negative light in comparison to the UK when he has made it very clear that he spent very little time outdoors and traveling the country. That makes no sense.
Of course he is entitled to his opinion. I never said or suggested he wasn't. I am simply saying his opinion on the geography of Australia doesn't make sense.
Ultimately, my comments are showing how flawed and self-inflicted people's views and bad experiences can be about their expat experience.
Well personally I don't see it as making little sense at all. As I said - it is his opinion when comparing the landscape (which is what he did) - I'm not sure where you are from or how extensively you've toured the UK but I happen to agree that there are indeed some stunningly beautiful parts of the UK that (to my limited knowledge) compare quote favourably to Australia.
We can't criticise a country until we've visited all corners of said country? How does that work? I haven't been to Wales yet. Does this mean I shouldn't have criticised Britain all these years?
Btw. Wales is not a country. It is a dependent territory of the UK.
That's a local 5k run that takes place in June. WolframAlpha says that on that day, the high was 40C. That race starts at 7pm, so it gets cooler as you run. By then it had cooled down to 35C. Still, 5k run in 35C temperatures.
I referred Wales as a corner. As in, "can't criticise until we've visited all corners of said country ", hence "I haven't been to Wales yet. Does this mean I shouldn't have criticised Britain all these years?" All corners = England, Scotland and Wales. Country = Britain.
Well personally I don't see it as making little sense at all. As I said - it is his opinion when comparing the landscape (which is what he did) -
I didn't say he was making "little sense," I said he was making no sense.
Of course it is his opinion, but is an opinion that is not reasonably formed based on what he has written, as I have already said a number of times, and it is entirely unfair to Australia.
I'm not sure where you are from or how extensively you've toured the UK but I happen to agree that there are indeed some stunningly beautiful parts of the UK that (to my limited knowledge) compare quote favourably to Australia.
That would be fine if that is what he said, but it wasn't.
I referred Wales as a corner. As in, "can't criticise until we've visited all corners of said country ", hence "I haven't been to Wales yet. Does this mean I shouldn't have criticised Britain all these years?" All corners = England, Scotland and Wales. Country = Britain.
(Great) Britain (England, Scotland, Wales) is not a country either. The UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) is.
Anyway, it's a bit pedantic really. Even tourist boards get it wrong.
Have you been following the discussion? You can't criticize a country's geography if you have unknowingly made it clear that you actually spent very little time outdoors. And, yes, you can't reasonably criticize a country if you have failed to travel and visit most of it. Most also doesn't equal "all corners of said country."
As far as your Wales comment goes, the answer is yes if it involves things like geography.
Who said I spent little time outdoors? I travelled all over oz and have seen all of the best parts f oz...how many times have you been to oz?
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He has posted comments clearly showing he spent very little time outdoors and traveling around Australia and yet he feels qualified to critique the country's geography? Then he says that most people used to living in a hot climate stay indoors when it is 40c when that is simply not true or it would be true in other countries where similar or worse heat occurs.
Wrong! I said unless you were American you couldn't really know what most Americans view as being left or right. I never said anything about nobody being able to comment!
What I have challenged him on doesn't require me to even step foot in the country. I don't doubt his displeasure is genuine but from everything posted so far I would say most of his displeasure is self inflicted.
Have you been following the discussion? You can't criticize a country's geography if you have unknowingly made it clear that you actually spent very little time outdoors. And, yes, you can't reasonably criticize a country if you have failed to travel and visit most of it. Most also doesn't equal "all corners of said country."
As far as your Wales comment goes, the answer is yes if it involves things like geography.
Yes, I have. I was responding to this part of your response: "he unknowingly showed that he actually spent little time outdoors and traveling throughout Australia".
I can play if you want to play that kind of game. "All corners of said country" doesn't necessarily mean geography either. It could refer to learning local cultures, politics, histories, accents, etc, and meeting with people from all corners of a country in one place. Like this forum, for instance.
I was addressing his comments about the geography of Australia!
Again, you are not making sense. He was specifically criticizing the geography of the country. One can not reasonably do that if one obviously doesn't spend much time outdoors, in the first place, and traveling throughout the country, in the second place.
TBH - I don't spend a great deal of time outdoors and haven't travelled this country extensively - I would however feel more confident in talking about the Geography/vibe/atmosphere of this country than someone who'd never set foot here.
The OP was speaking of his own experience of Australia as he experienced it. Seems fair enough to me - his judgement is his opinion and perfectly valid.
I doubt that. I'm currently sitting outside on my laptop, it's 34C. There are people out jogging and I can hear kids running around in the park.
In a couple of months it'll be well over 40C and things will be mostly the same.
Nothing to do with "vibe/atmosphere" as I was strictly talking about geography. I don't know why people are trying to twist my words.
Your knowledge of geography in your example, just as with the person I was addressing, could not logically be used to judge the geography of a country in a negative or positive light compared to another country. I could have lived my entire life in a cave and that statement would still be just as true. In other words, my knowledge of the geography of Australia is irrelevant.
The OP described the geography of Australia in a negative light in comparison to the UK when he has made it very clear that he spent very little time outdoors and traveling the country. That makes no sense.
Of course he is entitled to his opinion. I never said or suggested he wasn't. I am simply saying his opinion on the geography of Australia doesn't make sense.
Ultimately, my comments are showing how flawed and self-inflicted people's views and bad experiences can be about their expat experience.
Well personally I don't see it as making little sense at all. As I said - it is his opinion when comparing the landscape (which is what he did) - I'm not sure where you are from or how extensively you've toured the UK but I happen to agree that there are indeed some stunningly beautiful parts of the UK that (to my limited knowledge) compare quote favourably to Australia.
Btw. Wales is not a country. It is a dependent territory of the UK.
http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/englandnot.htm
Quoting myself, here's an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZiupOJCzfU
That's a local 5k run that takes place in June. WolframAlpha says that on that day, the high was 40C. That race starts at 7pm, so it gets cooler as you run. By then it had cooled down to 35C. Still, 5k run in 35C temperatures.
You acclimatize living in the desert.
http://imgur.com/h8iEV9J
Instead of this
http://imgur.com/XwA0vOc
I realise just how lucky i am.
I didn't say he was making "little sense," I said he was making no sense.
Of course it is his opinion, but is an opinion that is not reasonably formed based on what he has written, as I have already said a number of times, and it is entirely unfair to Australia.
That would be fine if that is what he said, but it wasn't.
Nobody? What are you talking about?
(Great) Britain (England, Scotland, Wales) is not a country either. The UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) is.
Anyway, it's a bit pedantic really. Even tourist boards get it wrong.
Bangladesh hasn't been part of Pakistan for over forty years now.
Why are you sitting on your laptop? Do you not have a lawn chair?
Sorry, my mistake.
I was sitting on it until it agreed to stop being stubborn. It eventually cried uncle.
I have family there,its greener, and the people are friendlier than here in the uk!
And you have?
Who said I spent little time outdoors? I travelled all over oz and have seen all of the best parts f oz...how many times have you been to oz?
He may have stayed indoors because of the heat. But to say that all Aussies do is absolutely wrong.
And just so as you know - I spent most of my life in Australia - many more years than the 15 that he spent
You think that Aussies reached the pinnacle of so many sports by staying indoors?
Australia is an outdoor society - similar to Arizona I would imagine where my best mate now lives (in Scottsdale)
We have a saying - "How do you know when a plane load of pommies has landed? When they turn the engines off the whining doesn't stop"