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je Suis Charlie protests in Muslim countries?

juliancarswelljuliancarswell Posts: 8,896
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Today the BBC and sky have the reports of Je Suis Charlie protests taking place in countries all around the world and they were listing them, when I noticed non of them were Muslim. I hope I am wrong and things may have moved along since lunchtime when I watched it but has anyone seen any reports of reports of je Suis Charlie protests in muslim countries? Perhaps I am being naive and expecting too much. May be if not je suis charlie, then protests condeming the violence
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    KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    Muslims aren't fans of free speech at the best of times, especially when it 'insults' their religion. I suspect the reaction amongst the vast majority of muslims around the world will be "How terrible, but they shouldn't have published the cartoons in the first place". And most muslims don't live in countries with free speech anyway so the very idea of it is alien to them.
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Going to be a very short thread...
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    bossoftheworldbossoftheworld Posts: 4,941
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    I just googled to see if there had been any protests.

    Found this link

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world-july-dec12-protests1_09-14/


    This is not about the massacre in Paris but Muslims were protesting about a film made in California that mocked Mohammed.


    One demonstrators comments below are so completely over the top - unbelievable.

    'SAMIR ANWAR, Egypt (through translator): I came to the square not to attack the American Embassy or America itself.

    I am against those who produced, financed, and acted in the movie. SAMIR ANWAR, Egypt (through translator): I came to the square not to attack the American Embassy or America itself.

    I am against those who produced, financed, and acted in the movie. I demand that they be publicly executed. They didn’t just insult Prophet Mohammed. They insulted all Muslims.I demand that they be publicly executed. They didn’t just insult Prophet Mohammed. They insulted all Muslim
    '
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    ElyanElyan Posts: 8,781
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    I imagine most of them are secretly justifying it.
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    KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    I just googled to see if there had been any protests.

    Found this link

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world-july-dec12-protests1_09-14/


    This is not about the massacre in Paris but Muslims were protesting about a film made in California that mocked Mohammed.


    One demonstrators comments below are so completely over the top - unbelievable.

    'SAMIR ANWAR, Egypt (through translator): I came to the square not to attack the American Embassy or America itself.

    I am against those who produced, financed, and acted in the movie. SAMIR ANWAR, Egypt (through translator): I came to the square not to attack the American Embassy or America itself.

    I am against those who produced, financed, and acted in the movie. I demand that they be publicly executed. They didn’t just insult Prophet Mohammed. They insulted all Muslims.I demand that they be publicly executed. They didn’t just insult Prophet Mohammed. They insulted all Muslim
    '

    So the one link to a protest is just muslims protesting against free speech :D

    Says it all really.
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    NamiraNamira Posts: 3,099
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    If anyone did protest in Islamic countries what do you think would happen to them?
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Namira wrote: »
    If anyone did protest in Islamic countries what do you think would happen to them?

    One thing's certain - nothing WORSE than happened to the editorial staff of Charlie Hebdo!
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    KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    Surely there were protests in Turkey, a country often regarded as the model of enlightened Islam within a democratic framework?

    The Turkish government has condemned the attacks but the people...silence.

    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkey-strongly-condemns-paris-shooting-calls-it-unacceptable-savagery_369143.html
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    NamiraNamira Posts: 3,099
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    One thing's certain - nothing WORSE than happened to the editorial staff of Charlie Hebdo!

    Protesters get killed in Islamic countries with alarming frequency. I would hate to see more innocent people die because nutters won't tolerate freedom of speech.
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Namira wrote: »
    I would hate to see more innocent people die because nutters won't tolerate freedom of speech.

    Whereas *I* would hate to see more "good men doing nothing"...for you know where THAT leads ;-)
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    JakobjoeJakobjoe Posts: 8,235
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    It's a good point ..why aren't there any
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Jakobjoe wrote: »
    It's a good point ..why aren't there any

    Probably much the same reason as all those hundreds of good, loving mothers and fathers who have waved off their sons to go for "a year's study in Turkey"...probably even gave them the money to do it...without knowing exactly where they were going or what they were doing...

    ...allegedly...

    I mean - would YOU hand your 18 year old son - emerging from his bedroom for the first time in months - hundreds of quid to book a flight "to go to Turkey to study"...without giving him the third degree? Who, what where, when?
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    Surely there were protests in Turkey, a country often regarded as the model of enlightened Islam within a democratic framework?

    The Turkish government has condemned the attacks but the people...silence.

    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkey-strongly-condemns-paris-shooting-calls-it-unacceptable-savagery_369143.html

    I read there was a vigil at the French consulate in Istanbul last night though I haven't seen any photos of it.

    Journalists from various Turkish media outlets shared these:
    http://www.bianet.org/bianet/toplum/161403-turkiye-deki-gazeteciler-ben-de-charlie-yim
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Tubtui wrote: »
    Journalists from various Turkish media outlets shared these:
    http://www.bianet.org/bianet/toplum/161403-turkiye-deki-gazeteciler-ben-de-charlie-yim


    Yes - there have been protests round the world from journalists....who would do, freedom of speech being close to their particular hearts - but I think we're more interested in the average people in the street...
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    Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,834
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    As soon as we have 'Muslim Countries' there is a problem. There would be a similar problem if we had 'Christian Countries'. Fortunately 'Christian Countries' are now mostly secular ones so the same kind of problems do not arise.

    Religious countries do not work because they are premised on an imposed unquestionable belief system.
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    MargMckMargMck Posts: 24,115
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    Probably much the same reason as all those hundreds of good, loving mothers and fathers who have waved off their sons to go for "a year's study in Turkey"...probably even gave them the money to do it...without knowing exactly where they were going or what they were doing...

    ...allegedly...

    Oh yes! It's one of those fundamental differences. They have "turn a blind eye" for our "turn the other cheek".
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    And I'm just waiting for someone to come along and say " but what about the big anti-extremist march by moslems in London after 7/7???"...

    ...but how many years ago was that??? How many Islamic terrorist plots and bombings and killings have there been or attempted around the world since THEN without a protest?
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    KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    If only Western Europe had allowed Christianity to wither on the vine instead of importing another fundamentalist religion to take its place.

    It's almost as though the Enlightenment and the discarding of religious belief as a consequence of scientific revelation during the 19th century never happened.

    Now we have the re-emergence of evangelical schools (Christian, Jewish and Islamic) in which creationism is taught alongside or in preference to Evolution.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 68,508
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    Surely there were protests in Turkey, a country often regarded as the model of enlightened Islam within a democratic framework?

    The Turkish government has condemned the attacks but the people...silence.

    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkey-strongly-condemns-paris-shooting-calls-it-unacceptable-savagery_369143.html

    Is that 'silence' in the sense of 'loudly protesting'? http://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Attack-to-critical-magazine-Charlie-Hebdo-protested-in-Istanbul_3580-CHMTY0MzU4MC80

    And there is something unpleasant about the constant suggestion that unless vast numbers of Muslims are rioting in the streets about something, they haven't done ENOUGH. Almost every country, including Pakistan and Afghanistan, has issued official statements of condemnation. But it is unreasonable to suppose that a country is full of people morally bankrupt unless crowds are weeping in the street. Both Pakistan and Afghanistan suffer hundreds of civilian deaths a year due to terrorism. There is no reason for them to think that European lives are so much more precious than their own that they deserve special respect.
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Now we have the re-emergence of evangelical schools (Christian, Jewish and Islamic) in which creationism is taught alongside or in preference to Evolution.

    They never really went away. They either hid themselves away, free from ridicule...or took off to the States over the centuries and played with snakes. It's just that they've "come back into fashion" along with every other sort of post-'60s loonyness
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    An ThropologistAn Thropologist Posts: 39,854
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    Tubtui wrote: »
    I read there was a virgil at the French consulate in Istanbul last night though I haven't seen any photos of it.

    Journalists from various Turkish media outlets shared these:
    http://www.bianet.org/bianet/toplum/161403-turkiye-deki-gazeteciler-ben-de-charlie-yim

    Tracy or Publius Maro :D
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    No; "silence" in the sense of
    A group of Turkish Socialist Re-establishment Party (SYKP) members and ordinary İstanbulites gathered in front of the French consulate to protest bloody attack against Paris offices of weekly satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. Protestors showed their solidarity with French people shouting slogans saying “No to massacre”, “Freedom to thought” and “We are pens of Charlie Hebdo”.

    ...a very small number - in the most secular city in all of Turkey.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 761
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    Tracy or Publius Maro :D

    Thanks. I corrected my spelling mistake.
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    KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    Is that 'silence' in the sense of 'loudly protesting'? http://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Attack-to-critical-magazine-Charlie-Hebdo-protested-in-Istanbul_3580-CHMTY0MzU4MC80

    And there is something unpleasant about the constant suggestion that unless vast numbers of Muslims are rioting in the streets about something, they haven't done ENOUGH. Almost every country, including Pakistan and Afghanistan, has issued official statements of condemnation. But it is unreasonable to suppose that a country is full of people morally bankrupt unless crowds are weeping in the street. Both Pakistan and Afghanistan suffer hundreds of civilian deaths a year due to terrorism.

    I suspect most of them were foreign tourists.

    There is no reason for them to think that European lives are so much more precious than their own that they deserve special respect.

    So, to you, from your personal perspective, all human life is equally precious?
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    Ba Na NaBa Na Na Posts: 1,792
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    They would probably be killed if they protested.
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