No one who looks at the facts can deny that the ratings themselves are consistent and that this series is doing just as good as any of the previous lot. However, am I the only one who feels as though the show has lost its cultural power? I remember the build up to the Series Four finale, the buzz and news coverage was hyperbolic. Yet despite this episode being called The Name Of The Doctor, there is a lack of real news/tabloid interest?
I think this is where many of us are coming from when we say that we think the show has lost popularity and are then bombarded by ratings statistics and role-eyes smileys....it's not hearing people in the office or on the bus discussing the series, references and name checks not being made in other media etc, a cultural saturation that has nothing to do with the actual viewing figures and which is understandably after 8 years starting to dry up.
I think this is where many of us are coming from when we say that we think the show has lost popularity and are then bombarded by ratings statistics and role-eyes smileys....it's not hearing people in the office or on the bus discussing the series, references and name checks not being made in other media etc, a cultural saturation that has nothing to do with the actual viewing figures and which is understandably after 8 years starting to dry up.
Name a TV series that has been going for as long as this (just the nuwho) and is talked about as much as people want it to be?
Only reality shows really, and most of the people I talk to say how crap BGT has got.
We all know how much the Daily Mail just LOVES the BBC, so I'm sure this is absolutely 100% true... :rolleyes:
If, however, this is true, why do the BBC dislike Steven Moffat? What, aren't there enough episodes featuring farting aliens and Daleks every series finale? Or is it the fact that he isn't referencing Rose every other episode?
Perhaps you could tell us just how many episodes featured farting aliens? :rolleyes:
Typical Daily Mail BBC bashing. Once timeshifted viewers are taken into account the facts are that ratings are much the same as they have been since Doctor Who returned. There is a slight downward shift in ratings across all TV programmes, but the facts are that Doctor Who is doing just fine ratings wise.
Well it is though, it averages around the same almost every season (around the 7 million mark), with season 4 being the only one to average at 8 million.
Actually if we are getting technical then the show has more than 8 million fans, just 8 million tvs, as a lot of households have more than one person at a time....;)
Getting even more technical, these ratings are extrapolated from a sample size of a few thousand so theoretically millions more (or indeed less) could be tuning in in reality.
However, this is so ridiculously unlikely that there wasn't really point in me bringing it up.
'Oh ye'll take the high road and ah'll take the low
and ah'll be in Gallifrey afore ye!
Fir me an my true love will ne-er meet again
On the bonnie, bonnie banks of Silencio'
Twas there that we perted in yon shady glen
On the steep steep sides of Solace and Solitude
where is soft red hue, the wild hills we view
An the moons coming oot in the Gloamin'
Let the pipes play! for the lord with two hearts
from yonder, fair Gallifrey!
"I found the link to this article on Digtial Spy - this is typical journalism for a shoddy newspaper such as The Mail. The 4.6 million viewers you state are just for the overnights - the time shift figures add at least another 1.8 million viewers. This does not include the BBC3 repeat viewers, and the people that watch it on iPlayer. This article is the exact reason that I do not purchase newspapers anymore; please start reporting the truth - not the truth as you see it."
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Well done jimbo. I'm surprised your comments actually got published as the Mail frequently 'loses' any critical comments.
I'll go over there now and Like your comments.
Well done jimbo. I'm surprised your comments actually got published as the Mail frequently 'loses' any critical comments.
I'll go over there now and Like your comments.
Thank you. To be honest, I was surprised it got published too - gotta love free speech
The function of all daily newspapers is to make money for their proprietors and push certain political views. Their readers usually want stories that only confirm what they already believe. There's no requirement for balance or impartiality.
The BBC is required to be impartial and balanced. It's also supposed to educate and entertain.
:)May i say despite itss failing , i still like it , nobody fails ee and thats dire
ok moffatt isnt as good with it as liked but the writers they got on it , hassnt come up the mark eithe r, ok gaiman and gatiss tried a taad ax
Why, when so many posters on here obviousley despise the Daily Mail and all that it stands for, do so many react when an article from said paper, gets quoted. Why not just ignore it ? Do no other newspapers ever print something negative about Who, if they do (and I can't be bothered to search for any such article) they never seem to attract such negative cmments. I do seem to remember that The Sun has printed some howlers in the past, supposedly from "reliable" sources but people don't react the same. I'm not defending The Daily Mail by any means, just puzzled as to the amount of hatred it seems to attract.
The BBC got rid of 'Grange Hill', 'Top of the Pops', even 'Last of the Boring Wine'.... so anything is possible. 2014 could be the last series - assuming the ratings continue to fall. No more Doctor Who! How will fans react to this?!!!!
Yes but they sell doctor who abroad plus there is loads of merchandise
THIS SERIES (7) HAS THE SAME('ISH) RATINGS AVERAGE AS SERIES 3.
And relax....
Notice how these posters make these claims, but never stick around to answer the questions put to them which knock their claims out the water. :rolleyes:
Notice how these posters make these claims, but never stick around to answer the questions put to them which knock their claims out the water. :rolleyes:
They just don't seem to understand the facts.... I and the other posters who study the ratings are not making it up.
The facts are in the ratings thread.... Please take a look.
Do no other newspapers ever print something negative about Who, if they do (and I can't be bothered to search for any such article) they never seem to attract such negative cmments. I do seem to remember that The Sun has printed some howlers in the past, supposedly from "reliable" sources but people don't react the same. I'm not defending The Daily Mail by any means, just puzzled as to the amount of hatred it seems to attract.
That is pretty much the case. The Daily Mail and The Sun seem to be the only papers that try to pass off sensationalist speculation without sources, especially negative.
I think this is where many of us are coming from when we say that we think the show has lost popularity and are then bombarded by ratings statistics and role-eyes smileys....it's not hearing people in the office or on the bus discussing the series, references and name checks not being made in other media etc, a cultural saturation that has nothing to do with the actual viewing figures and which is understandably after 8 years starting to dry up.
So, effectively what you are saying is, highly faulty anecdotal evidence should trump actual verifiable data when it comes to assessing the show's popularity?
The three basic flaws of anecdote:
1) We tend to filter what we see and hear according to our own prejudices or perspectives.
2) People tend to tell us what they expect we want to hear.
3) We tend to associate with those who have similar views and perspectives to ourselves.
The exceptions to rules 2 and 3 tend to be those whose views we apply rule 1 to.
Why, when so many posters on here obviousley despise the Daily Mail and all that it stands for, do so many react when an article from said paper, gets quoted. Why not just ignore it ? Do no other newspapers ever print something negative about Who, if they do (and I can't be bothered to search for any such article) they never seem to attract such negative cmments. I do seem to remember that The Sun has printed some howlers in the past, supposedly from "reliable" sources but people don't react the same. I'm not defending The Daily Mail by any means, just puzzled as to the amount of hatred it seems to attract.
The Daily Mail has taken direct distortion, outright lying, theft, and outright bigotry to levels superseded only by two other rags. They have an agenda to sell medical quackery and encourage hatred of Muslims, travellers, Europe, gay people, anyone left of Hitler, benefit claimants, disabled people, the poor etc. They are utterly contemptible in every possible way, and worse than any of the broadsheets or other tabloids bar The Express and Star (both porn baron Dirty Desmond titles).
It needs to be mocked and called out. Decent people have made the mistake before of thinking it best to ignore such propaganda sheets, and that hasn't ended well.
That is pretty much the case. The Daily Mail and The Sun seem to be the only papers that try to pass off sensationalist speculation without sources, especially negative.
The Sun is relatively ok. Only The Express, and its stalemate The Star, plunge greater depths than The Daily Hate Mail. If either of those tells you the sky is blue, you'd want independent confirmation.
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I think this is where many of us are coming from when we say that we think the show has lost popularity and are then bombarded by ratings statistics and role-eyes smileys....it's not hearing people in the office or on the bus discussing the series, references and name checks not being made in other media etc, a cultural saturation that has nothing to do with the actual viewing figures and which is understandably after 8 years starting to dry up.
Name a TV series that has been going for as long as this (just the nuwho) and is talked about as much as people want it to be?
Only reality shows really, and most of the people I talk to say how crap BGT has got.
Perhaps you could tell us just how many episodes featured farting aliens? :rolleyes:
And burping bins....;)
I gest, I love RTD's era as well.
Sorry, but no it's not.
Well it is though, it averages around the same almost every season (around the 7 million mark), with season 4 being the only one to average at 8 million.
The paper that openly supported Oswald Mosely and even spoke positively about Hitler right up until 1939.
How they've changed.
Getting even more technical, these ratings are extrapolated from a sample size of a few thousand so theoretically millions more (or indeed less) could be tuning in in reality.
However, this is so ridiculously unlikely that there wasn't really point in me bringing it up.
Well the Doctor did save his life, so you can see why they would not be fans of the show....;)
and ah'll be in Gallifrey afore ye!
Fir me an my true love will ne-er meet again
On the bonnie, bonnie banks of Silencio'
Twas there that we perted in yon shady glen
On the steep steep sides of Solace and Solitude
where is soft red hue, the wild hills we view
An the moons coming oot in the Gloamin'
Let the pipes play! for the lord with two hearts
from yonder, fair Gallifrey!
"I found the link to this article on Digtial Spy - this is typical journalism for a shoddy newspaper such as The Mail. The 4.6 million viewers you state are just for the overnights - the time shift figures add at least another 1.8 million viewers. This does not include the BBC3 repeat viewers, and the people that watch it on iPlayer. This article is the exact reason that I do not purchase newspapers anymore; please start reporting the truth - not the truth as you see it."
So far, my comment has received eleven positive ratings/clicks
I'll go over there now and Like your comments.
Thank you. To be honest, I was surprised it got published too - gotta love free speech
Just a pity that it's not
ok moffatt isnt as good with it as liked but the writers they got on it , hassnt come up the mark eithe r, ok gaiman and gatiss tried a taad ax
Yes but they sell doctor who abroad plus there is loads of merchandise
This is boring now.... OK...
THIS SERIES (7) HAS THE SAME('ISH) RATINGS AVERAGE AS SERIES 3.
And relax....
Notice how these posters make these claims, but never stick around to answer the questions put to them which knock their claims out the water. :rolleyes:
They just don't seem to understand the facts.... I and the other posters who study the ratings are not making it up.
The facts are in the ratings thread.... Please take a look.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=774652&page=132
That is pretty much the case. The Daily Mail and The Sun seem to be the only papers that try to pass off sensationalist speculation without sources, especially negative.
Let's just pretend Sky+, iPlayer and other ways to watch episodes online don't exist...
So, effectively what you are saying is, highly faulty anecdotal evidence should trump actual verifiable data when it comes to assessing the show's popularity?
The three basic flaws of anecdote:
1) We tend to filter what we see and hear according to our own prejudices or perspectives.
2) People tend to tell us what they expect we want to hear.
3) We tend to associate with those who have similar views and perspectives to ourselves.
The exceptions to rules 2 and 3 tend to be those whose views we apply rule 1 to.
That's not a counter argument, is it? The actual evidence says yes, it is.
The Daily Mail has taken direct distortion, outright lying, theft, and outright bigotry to levels superseded only by two other rags. They have an agenda to sell medical quackery and encourage hatred of Muslims, travellers, Europe, gay people, anyone left of Hitler, benefit claimants, disabled people, the poor etc. They are utterly contemptible in every possible way, and worse than any of the broadsheets or other tabloids bar The Express and Star (both porn baron Dirty Desmond titles).
It needs to be mocked and called out. Decent people have made the mistake before of thinking it best to ignore such propaganda sheets, and that hasn't ended well.
The Sun is relatively ok. Only The Express, and its stalemate The Star, plunge greater depths than The Daily Hate Mail. If either of those tells you the sky is blue, you'd want independent confirmation.