I will retire gracefully from this forum.
All getting a bit sectarian.
No time for that noncence.
Enjoy ur Irishness & i will enjoy my Britishness hopefully in continued peace on our shared island.
No doubt it will all get a bit mad leading ip to the 12th again but heres hoping it wont.
Go on home, soldier boy.
And on that note, let's all stand for the national anthem...
I will retire gracefully from this forum.
All getting a bit sectarian.
No time for that noncence.
Enjoy ur Irishness & i will enjoy my Britishness hopefully in continued peace on our shared island.
No doubt it will all get a bit mad leading ip to the 12th again but heres hoping it wont.
To be brutally honest mate it was yourself that started it.
Militant Republicanism is what won the Irish freedom from the bloody yolk of British Imperialism .
Sorry, I've been reading far too many Irshfeen posts, his passion for all things Republican is strangely arousing, I want to march into the Four Courts again.
Ha ha ha "strangely arousing" - i'm actually not that republican at all, similar to the vast majority of Irish people perhaps.
Nothing was "always" called one thing or another, look Eurostar you can call it what you want but the vast vast majority of Irish people including successive Irish governments choose to say Britain and Ireland or these islands.
I take exception to you saying we are unsure of of irishness but I take it you didn't mean it that way.
I've certainly heard the arguments over the years surrounding the term "British Isles" irishfeen and I'm aware there is some controversy over it ie. Irish people being of the opinion that anyone who uses it is suggesting that Britain has jurisdiction over Ireland in some way.
But it is a geographical term referring to the landmass of the two islands. If Scotland leaves the UK in September and becomes a republic, do people think they will no longer be a part of the 'British Isles'? That certainly would be confusing in the extreme seeing as it's as much a part of the island of Britain as England and Wales.
I've certainly heard the arguments over the years surrounding the term "British Isles" irishfeen and I'm aware there is some controversy over it ie. Irish people being of the opinion that anyone who uses it is suggesting that Britain has jurisdiction over Ireland in some way.
But it is a geographical term referring to the landmass of the two islands. If Scotland leaves the UK in September and becomes a republic, do people think they will no longer be a part of the 'British Isles'? That certainly would be confusing in the extreme seeing as it's as much a part of the island of Britain as England and Wales.
Honestly I would like to think this part of N/W Europe would be referred to as the UK, Ireland and Scotland if the Scots do vote for it - I just don't think the term should be used at all when describing a group of independent countries.
Honestly I would like to think this part of N/W Europe would be referred to as the UK, Ireland and Scotland if the Scots do vote for it - I just don't think the term should be used at all when describing a group of independent countries.
That's the nub of it though, it's meant to be a geographical term only and not a political one ie. if the UK broke up tomorrow and became four independent republics, the term 'British Isles' would still be used to describe the landmass of the four countries, even though the nationality of being 'British' would cease to exist.
That's the nub of it though, it's meant to be a geographical term only and not a political one ie. if the UK broke up tomorrow and became four independent republics, the term 'British Isles' would still be used to describe the landmass of the four countries, even though the nationality of being 'British' would cease to exist.
But its only a term used in Britain - its not like its used across the world.... a geographical British term of phrase.
But its only a term used in Britain - its not like its used across the world.... a geographical British term of phrase.
How about a compromise where we call them what we want and you call them what you want. For crying out loud, there are bigger problems in the world that the name given to a group of islands.
How about a compromise where we call them what we want and you call them what you want. For crying out loud, there are bigger problems in the world that the name given to a group of islands.
No problem just leave our country out of it - it's nothing to do with anyone in Britain
But its only a term used in Britain - its not like its used across the world.... a geographical British term of phrase.
Do you not see a disconnect here?
You object to a British term, as used by British people.
Yet you have shown time and time and time again that do not seem to imagine that a Northern Ireland Unionist should object to you telling them that they are Irish.
Think how wrong headed you think the term "The British Isles" is.
That's the same reaction that a Northern Ireland Unionist has when he gets told he's Irish.
If you want to call the people who say "British Isles" wrong, then you have to accept that you are wrong in exactly the same way when you start with your "Arra sure we're all Irish now, lads" posts.
Call these Islands what you like, but at least afford other people the same privilege when it comes to terms which annoy them.
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Go on home, soldier boy.
And on that note, let's all stand for the national anthem...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgnVMFtd7E
That's true however Cheetah666 is just as bad as him.
"Being Irish means we're guilty, so we're guilty one and all" tra la la
Which almost brings the thread back on topic:o
No, I'm not. I just stood up to him.
Please feel free to post if you want! Don't be forced out.
There's standing up to someone and there's stooping to their level. Sorry but you did the latter.
How do you hope to achieve this return to the way it used to be?
I'm afraid I've seen more than enough of his ilk in real life.
I'm not sure that 'workable government' is a right.
The system we have isn't perfect but if it prevents more Loughanislands and La Mons then it's good enough.
Replaced with what though.
As much as you may want a return to a Unionist state its simply not going to happen. So what would you propose?
Thanks Louise.
Wonderful to see The Queen & Duke of Edinburgh are on a three day visit to NI.
The way it used to be, when? What year do you want to back to?
I've certainly heard the arguments over the years surrounding the term "British Isles" irishfeen and I'm aware there is some controversy over it ie. Irish people being of the opinion that anyone who uses it is suggesting that Britain has jurisdiction over Ireland in some way.
But it is a geographical term referring to the landmass of the two islands. If Scotland leaves the UK in September and becomes a republic, do people think they will no longer be a part of the 'British Isles'? That certainly would be confusing in the extreme seeing as it's as much a part of the island of Britain as England and Wales.
That's the nub of it though, it's meant to be a geographical term only and not a political one ie. if the UK broke up tomorrow and became four independent republics, the term 'British Isles' would still be used to describe the landmass of the four countries, even though the nationality of being 'British' would cease to exist.
How about a compromise where we call them what we want and you call them what you want. For crying out loud, there are bigger problems in the world that the name given to a group of islands.
Do you not see a disconnect here?
You object to a British term, as used by British people.
Yet you have shown time and time and time again that do not seem to imagine that a Northern Ireland Unionist should object to you telling them that they are Irish.
Think how wrong headed you think the term "The British Isles" is.
That's the same reaction that a Northern Ireland Unionist has when he gets told he's Irish.
If you want to call the people who say "British Isles" wrong, then you have to accept that you are wrong in exactly the same way when you start with your "Arra sure we're all Irish now, lads" posts.
Call these Islands what you like, but at least afford other people the same privilege when it comes to terms which annoy them.