Was Jasmine right all along.....

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  • Chief KegwinChief Kegwin Posts: 835
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    To me Jasmine just came across as being bitter and jealous. She did a lot of projecting. And it was pretentious of her to act like she was above the two girls and that she`d be hanging out in the house with Al Pacino and co.
  • *Laura**Laura* Posts: 45,152
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    That just shows what kind of society we've become when abusing sex workers is revelled in and enjoyed.

    Sadly that's always been the way, and I think it will not change in our life times.
  • JB3JB3 Posts: 9,308
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    kara_a wrote: »
    After the whole Jasmine and Danica incident I felt really bad for Danica, however after watching her in action first flirting outrageously with The Situation and then being nasty to him yesterday because she has found a new flirtating partner (Prince), I think what Jasmine what saying about her might just be right. yes I don't agree with how Jas put her argument forward but the contents was pretty accurate (In my opinion of course)!
    Danica has a boyfriend her actions are incorrect!

    If his ego wasn't the size of Texas, he would have realised she's a flirt and he wasn't that special.

    It's his ego that has led him astray and that's his own fault.

    I think Prince is pretty well aware that Danica likes to play the flirting game and he's ok about playing too.
  • hilarybbfanhilarybbfan Posts: 1,438
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    Bananafish wrote: »
    She's very emotionally detached, has a general coldness about her. With emotions being triggered and displayed more than seeming natural. She also returns to her default state very quickly, unlike say Jasmine who was completely emotionally driven which caused all the problems and kept then repeating.

    You don't have to look very hard to understand why Danica might be like this, and what she does for a living is capitalising no only on her looks but also by how she views emotions and connections to people.

    She had a very important connection to someone she lost, she then wanted to be in total control of the emotions she gives out to others.

    Both girls have a lot of baggage, it's just effect them and manifested itself in different ways. Most people have baggage, it's what you pick up through life and how you choose to deal with it.

    It's called emotional intelligence. It's a good thing. And anyone that had their mum die at 14 will have learned how to control their emotions in order to get on with their lives. I know people this has happened to, it's an inner strength that people who haven't grieved at such a young age don't have, it doesn't make them bad people. It's why people say 'it makes you stronger' anyone that went through that and survived would be a strong person. Fair play to her.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 266
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    The thing is, if the star-shagger did her homework, then she'd have known that Mike shags around and that Harvey was a serial womaniser. Can anyone recall her calling them '****'?

    It's really come to something when an awful example of humanity like Jasmin thinks they are in any place to be moralising over other people. This is the woman who, among other things, shags rich people then tries to sell the stories, and gets pregnant by a junkie in a marriage.

    If you remember her VT she stated that she knew more about Rhian then she thinks she does. Her plan was too belittle the girls and get the boys onside. The first night she was having a cosy chat with Harvey saying its not his fault and that people don't understand what its like to suffer from basically not keeping it in his pants.
  • BananafishBananafish Posts: 13,889
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    It's called emotional intelligence. It's a good thing. And anyone that had their mum die at 14 will have learned how to control their emotions in order to get on with their lives. I know people this has happened to, it's an inner strength that people who haven't grieved at such a young age don't have, it doesn't make them bad people. It's why people say 'it makes you stronger' anyone that went through that and survived would be a strong person. Fair play to her.

    Emotional intelligence also means being able to play on emotions to get the results you know will happen in others. Controlling them isn't automatically some good thing, not when it's designed to get the results you want. That's just being selfish, and hiding your emotions to protect yourself also dishonest. It takes a stronger person to be completely open actually, Danica's armour is artificial.

    Damaged can make you stronger, it won't necessarily make you a better person. It's just how you choose to learn the lessons. Danica still has some to learn, because the only thing she is learning from her job and the path she has chosen to take in life is what she already knows.

    If you are making the most of your most superficial quality, you will never be making the most of who you can be.
  • TeekyPieTeekyPie Posts: 1,415
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    Jasmine was right about some of the things she said about Danica and Rhian. Don't worry OP, just because you agree with a few things Jasmine said, and others consider her to be a bully, doesn't make you a nasty person... at all.
  • hilarybbfanhilarybbfan Posts: 1,438
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    Bananafish wrote: »
    Emotional intelligence also means being able to play on emotions to get the results you know will happen in others. Controlling them isn't automatically some good thing, not when it's designed to get the results you want. That's just being selfish, and hiding your emotions to protect yourself also dishonest. It takes a stronger person to be completely open actually, Danica's armour is artificial.

    Damaged can make you stronger, it won't necessarily make you a better person. It's just how you choose to learn the lessons. Danica still has some to learn, because the only thing she is learning from her job and the path she has chosen to take in life is what she already knows.

    If you are making the most of your most superficial quality, you will never be making the most of who you can be.

    It does make you a better person in that you can now empathise with people who have also had a parent die or similar. If that didn't happen to you, you wouldn't be able to understand how hard that is for others, which makes you a better person.

    Jasmin isn't open, she judgemental, narcissistic, and very low emotional intelligence plus anger issues, not a good combination. She's so superficial and believes her appearance is that important over personality that she starves herself. And that's obviously also a way to express her own self loathing, she knows she's at the mercy of her anger and she would rather not be that way.
  • BananafishBananafish Posts: 13,889
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    It does make you a better person in that you can now empathise with people who have also had a parent die or similar. If that didn't happen to you, you wouldn't be able to understand how hard that is for others, which makes you a better person.

    I lost my dad, not at her age but far too soon.

    And over the course of just a year, where he went from my dad to someone who didn't even recognise my mum or me.

    So I understand quite a bit, and I can also understand how you can deal with it in a way that is less helpful going forward. That's what I see in Danica, a coldness that has probably been there for a while.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 375
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    I don't like Jasmine despite what I might have said on forums on opening night but she does seem to have figured out Danica and Rhian quickly, perhaps because she too knows how to play the game when she wants to. I do find Danica and Rhian even worse as they are more secretly unpleasant, the sort that stab you behind your back...at least Jasmine was vile to your face and you know where you stood. Danica knows how to turn on the tears when needed. I hope the public see through her
  • KarisKaris Posts: 6,380
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    Of course Jasmine was right. Her motives and actions were totally reprehensible, but she was spot on the money!
  • TogglerToggler Posts: 4,592
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    gilliedew wrote: »
    This is totally irrational on my part but I far prefer Jasmine as a person than Danica.

    Danica shows no weakness, her tears are calculated or concerned about being found out, not of remorse, if an apology comes it is sulkily delivered.

    Jasmine is a train wreck, damaged, vitriolic and nasty but as a person she admits her failings and comes across as hurt and vulnerable, mainly down to her own behaviour.

    I wouldnt want to share a space with either but of the two I prefer Jasmine.

    I wouldn't - those sort like Jasmine bleed you dry and after they have extracted everything you have to give, they go skipping off and leave you like a dried out husk to blow away in the wind, or put your head in a gas oven. Give me the Danica type any day.
  • meglosmurmursmeglosmurmurs Posts: 35,109
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    Jasmine doesn't seem to care about anyone else, it's just her own personal grudge against girls like Danica or Rhian. Deep down she probably knows she's classed as just the same. In a way I think Jasmine has alot of self-loathing that she took out on the other girls.

    Therefore her views became irrelevant because they were purely out of self-interest.
  • NosnikraplNosnikrapl Posts: 2,572
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    The clash of the emotionally damaged. The narcassistic meets the histrionic. A reality tv producers wet dream :D
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 434
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    No, Jasmine's comment were totally irrational. If she had said something akin to Danica being driven to constantly use sex to get attention and manipulate men then I'd have taken her seriously as its a legitimate comment.
  • pepipoppepipop Posts: 4,099
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    No. Jasmine would have given her right arm to get off with the Prince, she thought she was in there with the Gemini talk, massage, talk about her son, etc.. We all saw how she flipped her lid when he nominated her (LOL) - she had no chance. It's all pure jealousy and nothing more.
  • bunnyintheboxbunnyinthebox Posts: 1,481
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    capekdeh wrote: »
    Rubbish!! Society is getting worse and worse because they are so many teenage girls who see someone like Danica as a role model. I haven't got problem with prostitutes, especially those who are victims of human trafficking or those who try to survive on day to day basis. Danica is worse than prostitute / escort in my opinion. At least with prostitutes / escorts, you know what you get.[/QUOTE

    and you have hard evidence to back this up right?

    You seem to be saying its Ok to be a sex worker if you are on the breadline but not if you are doing OK out of it.

    I think you will find that Danica's clients know exactly what they are and are not getting for their money.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,797
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    All this rinsing, soap suds foaming all over the place. BB should make Danica wear a boiler suit during the day and a bubble-gum pink floor-length chiffon cocktail dress in the evening.


    Jasmine sooo thought she'd pulled the Prince with that one conversation about star signs, and embellished with her 'I miss my son so much' thinking that would be interpreted as 'I'm such a great mother' but it backfired and prince said 'go home to your son darling and leave me with the maidens!":D
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,609
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    kara_a wrote: »
    After the whole Jasmine and Danica incident I felt really bad for Danica, however after watching her in action first flirting outrageously with The Situation and then being nasty to him yesterday because she has found a new flirtating partner (Prince), I think what Jasmine what saying about her might just be right. yes I don't agree with how Jas put her argument forward but the contents was pretty accurate (In my opinion of course)!
    Danica has a boyfriend her actions are incorrect!

    Danica loves everyone, and you're next....as the saying goes.:D Jasmine was right about most of them, and Danica's only truthful spouting so far has been to say she has no character.
  • NosaerNosaer Posts: 3,431
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    That just shows what kind of society we've become when abusing sex workers is revelled in and enjoyed.

    It shows what kind of society we've become when sex workers are deemed celebrities and paraded on mainstream TV as entertainment.
  • goldylookinfishgoldylookinfish Posts: 2,878
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    Bananafish wrote: »
    I lost my dad, not at her age but far too soon.

    And over the course of just a year, where he went from my dad to someone who didn't even recognise my mum or me.

    So I understand quite a bit, and I can also understand how you can deal with it in a way that is less helpful going forward. That's what I see in Danica, a coldness that has probably been there for a while.

    Not disagreeing with what you've said in regards to emotions as a whole but you could apply your analysis to any of the housemates and come out with the same conclusions. They all have baggage and they'll all be guarded, they're under the microscope.

    Jasmine is anti-social and those sorts of people aren't good for society.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 205
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    Jasmine is just nasty and we could see her jealousy about the prince and Danica keeling her slowly...
  • goldylookinfishgoldylookinfish Posts: 2,878
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    Nosaer wrote: »
    It shows what kind of society we've become when sex workers are deemed celebrities and paraded on mainstream TV as entertainment.

    I can't believe we parade morons around as role models and vote people like Paddy as winners of these sorts of shows but there you go, violence is more acceptable than sex.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 329
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    Um, this is the same Jasmine who has been tweeting about her 'secret' lesbian relationship with an unknown woman who looks just like her? I think Jasmine is too bonkers to be right about anything.
  • BananafishBananafish Posts: 13,889
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    Not disagreeing with what you've said in regards to emotions as a whole but you could apply your analysis to any of the housemates and come out with the same conclusions. They all have baggage and they'll all be guarded, they're under the microscope.

    Jasmine is anti-social and those sorts of people aren't good for society.

    Well I did say most people have baggage, some leak it more than others though even when trying to be guarded. The experience of being in the BB house especially is designed to bring it out.

    Jasmine and Danica are both damaged goods in my opinion, just requiring completely different ways of dealing with them and with how that damage has manifested itself. With Jasmine taking a self-destructive route, with Danica a self-preservation route.

    Both causing quite a fundamental problem with how they function emotionally and relate to others, just in totally different ways. Those ways will both directly impact others and cause problems though. It's all only interpretation and open to vary, but based on what little we see these days and beneath all the excessive dramatisation that's the impression I get.
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