I felt sorry for Peter, the only person with sense and the only person with decency. Jane went down in my esteem big time; dumping Lucy's body in the woods like a piece of garbage, allowing her body to be desecrated in death, and covering for a killer because "He is only 11."
The incident needs to hurt him. Shielding him from responsibility and human emotions will only make him a sociopath.
What makes things worse is other people being accused of the crime. She would have been prepared to ruin innocent people's lives, to shield a violent thug from the consequences of his actions.
Exactly what I said yesterday. It is obvious they were drawing a parallel between the two mother-son relationships; as Dot and Nick's dysfunctional relationship ended, Jane and Bobby's is just beginning. As DTC has said, Lucy's murder is really just the start of changing the Beales forever.
Dot is like a foreshadowing of Jane - what starts as, 'he's only a little boy', will eventually become, 'you were such a good boy'.
So the Beale family are gonna protect Bobby and let him get away with murder? WTF that doesnt make sense Ian was crying his eyes out when Lucy was killed and now hes knows Bobby did it hes not gonna do anything that is just wrong. Im so glad Peter stuck up for Lucy thats a true twin brother. The truth always comes out in the end and Bobby will get his
So Ian's lost one child and you expect him to hand Bobby in so he loses another?
He did what I think most parents would do. It would be a extremely hard decision to make and Ian would be in turmoil over his decision.
The saddest thing is that if he does think he killed her, he is not aware that Max, Jake, Abi and Denise all contributed. Sad for Jane too. That has to come out sometime
And apart from all this; would being hit by a music box really have killed Lucy if she hadn't had the fight with Denise, been hit by Jake, albeit accidentally, and had that blow to the head in the car lot?
The saddest thing is that if he does think he killed her, he is not aware that Max, Jake, Abi and Denise all contributed. Sad for Jane too. That has to come out sometime
Surely if these other blows had contributed Lucy's post mortem would have said she died of multiple head injuries. I thought she died of a single blow.
I'm a bit confused about Bobby not knowing.
Didn't we see that policewoman telephoning someone and saying "i know it was you who killed Lucy".?
If she was talking to Bobby then he knows he killed Lucy.
If she was not talking to Bobby then SHE didn't know the truth after all.
And if she didn't really know it was Bobby then how did Lauren know who done it?
The saddest thing is that if he does think he killed her, he is not aware that Max, Jake, Abi and Denise all contributed. Sad for Jane too. That has to come out sometime
Except it doesn't, and it won't. None of them have any reason to give up their encounters with Lucy that day to anyone outside [or within their own family - even Lauren doesn't know about Max, Abi and the Car Lot].
All any of them will ever know is their own POV [as Lucy cannot tell the whole story]. It's tragic, but that's what it was always meant to be.
I'm a bit confused about Bobby not knowing.
Didn't we see that policewoman telephoning someone and saying "i know it was you who killed Lucy".?
If she was talking to Bobby then he knows he killed Lucy.
If she was not talking to Bobby then SHE didn't know the truth after all.
And if she didn't really know it was Bobby then how did Lauren know who done it?
Emma was talking to Jane not Bobby. Ian too thought Jane was guilty at first.
I have no idea how Lauren knew Lucy was killed at home.
I am not a lawyer but I don't think it is murder but the intention was to hurt Lucy not to kill her. She has had several knocks to the head: car lot, Jake, Abi and Denise but the blow by Bobby was the one did it
Only thing is I thought Jake punched Lucy in the mouth causing her nosebleed rather than hitting her over the head?
I agree about the others though.
Abi's slap was there to explain why both her and Max had been shifty for the past 10 months, I guess.
I'm not so sure about Denise. Perhaps she feels guilty that the last encounter she had with Lucy was wrestling with her on the floor. She didn't hate Lucy, so probably didn't want to say goodbye on such a sour note. That would explain why she's been drinking heavily and not looking after Patrick properly.
A| child can still kill. He knows he's a killer. He knows he's not being punished for it, so he could easily kill again.
I'm trying to decide whether Bobby is Venables of Thompson.
That's nonsense. There is no comparison. Those two planned a killing just for the sake of killing. They had no grievance against their victim - he was just picked at random. They intended to kill a small child for the fun of it and they tortured him first. They were psychopaths.
Bobby hit Lucy in exasperation and anger - he didn't cold-bloodedly plan to kill her. It's just not in the same league.
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A| child can still kill. He knows he's a killer. He knows he's not being punished for it, so he could easily kill again.
I'm trying to decide whether Bobby is Venables of Thompson.
Exactly what I said yesterday. It is obvious they were drawing a parallel between the two mother-son relationships; as Dot and Nick's dysfunctional relationship ended, Jane and Bobby's is just beginning. As DTC has said, Lucy's murder is really just the start of changing the Beales forever.
Dot is like a foreshadowing of Jane - what starts as, 'he's only a little boy', will eventually become, 'you were such a good boy'.
So Ian's lost one child and you expect him to hand Bobby in so he loses another?
He did what I think most parents would do. It would be a extremely hard decision to make and Ian would be in turmoil over his decision.
Would that be like Vennegoor of Hesselink?
Do you really have to bring that up?
How can he kiss the woman who put his daughter into the boot of her car and dumped her body in the woods? It's sick.
(And also, if Jane was intending to take Lucy to hospital, why was she in the boot of her car?)
Hope he doesn't team up with Denny
Surely if these other blows had contributed Lucy's post mortem would have said she died of multiple head injuries. I thought she died of a single blow.
Didn't we see that policewoman telephoning someone and saying "i know it was you who killed Lucy".?
If she was talking to Bobby then he knows he killed Lucy.
If she was not talking to Bobby then SHE didn't know the truth after all.
And if she didn't really know it was Bobby then how did Lauren know who done it?
I can see him paying Rainie another visit soon, as he might not want to be that intimate with Jane. Very much a case of staying together for the kids.
I agree about the others though.
Except it doesn't, and it won't. None of them have any reason to give up their encounters with Lucy that day to anyone outside [or within their own family - even Lauren doesn't know about Max, Abi and the Car Lot].
All any of them will ever know is their own POV [as Lucy cannot tell the whole story]. It's tragic, but that's what it was always meant to be.
Why did he even visit Rainie in the first place. I didn't get that to be honest. Has Ian done that before or something
Emma was talking to Jane not Bobby. Ian too thought Jane was guilty at first.
I have no idea how Lauren knew Lucy was killed at home.
VERY GOOD POINT !
It's a running thing for Ian, though he hasn't in a while. He used to "use" Janine a lot in her prostitute days.
Abi's slap was there to explain why both her and Max had been shifty for the past 10 months, I guess.
I'm not so sure about Denise. Perhaps she feels guilty that the last encounter she had with Lucy was wrestling with her on the floor. She didn't hate Lucy, so probably didn't want to say goodbye on such a sour note. That would explain why she's been drinking heavily and not looking after Patrick properly.
Children can do nasty things including killing other children and rarely adults. But its very rare
cos she knew she was dead, and they would be asking questions etc...It had to be in the boot cos people would have seen her in the car, back seat too
That's nonsense. There is no comparison. Those two planned a killing just for the sake of killing. They had no grievance against their victim - he was just picked at random. They intended to kill a small child for the fun of it and they tortured him first. They were psychopaths.
Bobby hit Lucy in exasperation and anger - he didn't cold-bloodedly plan to kill her. It's just not in the same league.
Wow, good spot! I totally missed that. Total lie there then-can't see her turning up to the hospital and opening the boot