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First the plastic bag tax...Now the coffee cup tax

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    tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    TeeGee wrote: »
    I would like to see a plastic water bottle tax of, say, £1 per bottle. That might actually do sometthing for the environment.
    Seems incredibly illiberal.

    How about we educate people in not chucking rubbish where they like and encourage recycling instead of punishing everyone?
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    AndrueAndrue Posts: 23,364
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    Mark. wrote: »
    Can you suggest an alternative coating to make the cardboard liquid-proof?
    I've got a suggestion. Wait until you get to your destination then make your coffee yourself and pour it into a re-useable ceramic or glass cup. Or if you really do feel the need to drink something hot while you're travelling may I suggest that you invest in a thermos flask and prepare your drink before you go out.

    Both of these suggests will save a great deal of money ;)
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    Dammit. I'd almost finished designing my range of suits with extra pockets to hold 'bags for life'. Now I have to figure out how to add CUP HOLDERS!?!

    Hmm.. maybe a camelback with a nice furry hot water bottle cover? Allows one to be caffeinated on the go, and keeps the back warm. Winter is coming after all.

    (funniest thing about the bag tax thread(s) was the number of people (presumably women) who just said stick your 'bag in your bag'.. Which could have been from man-bag designers. Us blokes tend to have better things to put in our pockets!)

    Challenge with letting customer's use their own mugs I guess would be if they'd fit in machines and would allow the official Starbucks/Costa-sized drinks to be dispensed.
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    tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    Andrue wrote: »
    I've got a suggestion. Wait until you get to your destination then make your coffee yourself and pour it into a re-useable ceramic or glass cup. Or if you really do feel the need to drink something hot while you're travelling may I suggest that you invest in a thermos flask and prepare your drink before you go out.

    Both of these suggests will save a great deal of money ;)
    For the coffee chains, who'll now have to put thousands of people out of work.
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    TerraCanisTerraCanis Posts: 14,099
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    Andrue wrote: »
    I've got a suggestion. Wait until you get to your destination then make your coffee yourself and pour it into a re-useable ceramic or glass cup. Or if you really do feel the need to drink something hot while you're travelling may I suggest that you invest in a thermos flask and prepare your drink before you go out.

    Both of these suggests will save a great deal of money ;)

    But if you did that, how would people know that you're so busy, and working so hard at something that's so important that you don't have time to stop for a coffee? They might think that you're just some ordinary slob with nothing better to do!
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    AndrueAndrue Posts: 23,364
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    TerraCanis wrote: »
    But if you did that, how would people know that you're so busy, and working so hard at something that's so important that you don't have time to stop for a coffee? They might think that you're just some ordinary slob with nothing better to do!
    Lol, good point :)
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    SnikpohSnikpoh Posts: 2,421
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    Andrue wrote: »
    I've got a suggestion. Wait until you get to your destination then make your coffee yourself and pour it into a re-useable ceramic or glass cup. Or if you really do feel the need to drink something hot while you're travelling may I suggest that you invest in a thermos flask and prepare your drink before you go out.

    Both of these suggests will save a great deal of money ;)

    Exactly. I sometimes wonder how I ever managed to survive my working life before the advent of takeaway coffee. :p
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    I once saw a breakdown of how much it actually costs to serve you a cup of coffee and it was quite astounding the extra costs in it. I don't know how pubs make a profit on a £3 pint.

    Well, they obviously do and that includes the extra tax (duty) you have to pay on alcoholic drinks.
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    tiacattiacat Posts: 22,521
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    Tassium wrote: »
    Human behaviour is not changed quite so simply as a 5p minimum charge.

    The flimsy supermarket bags were perfect for a wide range of home uses, so people just buy them on a roll instead and probably use more than they did before.

    5p tax on cardboard cups would do nothing whatsoever other than raise money.

    I dont buy takeaway coffee (well once in a blue moon and it would be tea anyway) so this doesnt apply to me but the bag issue did. As you say, all thats happened in this house is that we buy a load of bin bags whereas before we didnt! Plastic bag usage, is the same.
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    TeeGeeTeeGee Posts: 5,772
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    Seems incredibly illiberal.

    How about we educate people in not chucking rubbish where they like and encourage recycling instead of punishing everyone?

    Being selfish and stupid takes more than a little education to cure it. ;-)
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    In this context, "Education" could be a euphemism for "Re-education"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeducation_camp

    #zerotoleranceforlittering
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    phill363phill363 Posts: 24,313
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    SkipTracer wrote: »
    What would be better is a refundable deposit of 10p that could make a bit of cash for kids picking up all the empty cans and cups found littering up our countryside that the lazy few believe should be picked up by the local council at our expense.

    They have this in the Scandinavian countries, its called a pant, depending on the size of the bottle the pant is different usually anything from 1kr(10p) to 2.5kr(25p) then they have machines in the supermarkets that gives you the money back when you put cans and bottles in, we could easily do the same. Of course the law would have to change and they would need to make it so anything sold as a drinkable liquid is sold in recyclable containers
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    JDFJDF Posts: 4,250
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    Give them time. Anything taxable gets taxed especially if something people might gain pleasure or enjoyment from!


    with this evil government in power do not give ideas pleasure and enjoyment tax


    Tories together evil forever
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    walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,919
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    TeeGee wrote: »
    I would like to see a plastic water bottle tax of, say, £1 per bottle. That might actually do sometthing for the environment.

    £1 per bottle is a ridiculous amount.
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    walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,919
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    jra wrote: »
    Well, they obviously do and that includes the extra tax (duty) you have to pay on alcoholic drinks.

    Actually it seems thousands of pubs can't make a profit on it which is why they are closing down. Many, many other pubs rely on food sales to prop them up.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    Actually it seems thousands of pubs can't make a profit on it which is why they are closing down. Many, many other pubs rely on food sales to prop them up.

    I was talking about profit on a pint, not how many pints that may or may not be drunk.

    Pubs are closing down for various reasons. IMO, mostly due to lack of customers.
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    ianradioianianradioian Posts: 74,865
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    tiacat wrote: »
    I dont buy takeaway coffee (well once in a blue moon and it would be tea anyway) so this doesnt apply to me but the bag issue did. As you say, all thats happened in this house is that we buy a load of bin bags whereas before we didnt! Plastic bag usage, is the same.

    I still buy a few carrier bags when I shop as I like to use them as rubbish bags
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    bart4858bart4858 Posts: 11,436
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    I can't walk around all day with my own cup just on the off-chance that I might favy a takeaway coffee.

    Why not? It's ridiculous going to the trouble of sourcing, manufacturing, transporting, disposing and land-filling a non-recyclable cup that will take 100 years to decompose, just so you can enjoy a few minutes drinking one cup of coffee.

    (Subway sell reusable coffee cups for £1 that will get you a free coffee when you buy a sandwich. Presumably people need to remember to take those with them!)

    Myself, I'd use a normal china mug on the premises. I don't want to drink out of a cardboard cup where you lose most of the taste, especially after scalding your tongue on coffee that stays super-heated thanks to the insulated container!
    Tassium wrote: »
    Human behaviour is not changed quite so simply as a 5p minimum charge.
    The reports are that plastic bag usage (or the number of bags issued by supermarkets) has dropped by 85%. I don't know if that takes account of people buying them in bulk elsewhere. But I've never done that (and would never be able to remember to have them with me).
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    CrazyLoopCrazyLoop Posts: 31,148
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    Nor do I have the option of walking out of the store holding unbagged groceries; what are you going to do, hold scalding coffee in cupped hands?

    Yes you do. If I'm only popping in for say just milk and/or bread I don't bother with a reusable bag, I just carry it out in my hand and have my receipt Incase security think I stealing.
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    walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,919
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    jra wrote: »
    I was talking about profit on a pint, not how many pints that may or may not be drunk.

    Pubs are closing down for various reasons. IMO, mostly due to lack of customers.

    But if they are making a loss overall then they aren't making a profit on a pint are they? The amount they charge has to cover the overheads of the business, not just the cost of the materials.
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    Sebastian1992Sebastian1992 Posts: 774
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    jra wrote: »
    I was talking about profit on a pint, not how many pints that may or may not be drunk.

    Pubs are closing down for various reasons. IMO, mostly due to lack of customers.

    We make about 19 pence profit on a pint, but £8 on a steak. We sell more pints than steaks, but I'll leave you to guess how we make our profit..
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    But if they are making a loss overall then they aren't making a profit on a pint are they? The amount they charge has to cover the overheads of the business, not just the cost of the materials.

    The are making a profit on a pint presumably, but maybe not a profit on the business as a whole.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    We make about 19 pence profit on a pint, but £8 on a steak. We sell more pints than steaks, but I'll leave you to guess how we make our profit..

    :p

    I'm not that interested honestly, as long as you make enough profit overall to stay in business, in your case keeping your job.
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    walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,919
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    jra wrote: »
    The are making a profit on a pint presumably, but maybe not a profit on the business as a whole.

    Difference between gross and net profit. There aren't many pubs that can stay in business without serving any food. I know of a few round here but they do it by specialising and having huge selections of real ale available.
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,625
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    I can't walk around all day with my own cup just on the off-chance that I might favy a takeaway coffee
    Why not? I do. Or at least I keep one travel mug in my car and one in my work bag. At other times I am never in such a rush I need to drink my coffee on the move.
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