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Do you consider the term 'throwing a paddy' to be a racist slur?

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    ScottnoodleScottnoodle Posts: 1,011
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    Well chavs ARE a race of idiots.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,039
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    hey_jude wrote: »
    But now that you know it is related to the Irish and their tendancy to brawl which is an offensive suggestion, will you stop using it?

    No, probably not. Like I said, its original use is lost in the mists of time, and, as this thread shows, people either aren't aware of the phrase at all, or it has lost its offensive meaning.

    When a thread has to be made to ask if its offensive and people, including irish people, aren't aware that it is, or isn't, then surely, it isn't any longer?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,573
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    Hancock wrote: »
    Did you post also here?

    Great find!!!

    It looks as though very few people on that forum are the slightest bit bothered by the phrase.:D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,573
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    hey_jude wrote: »
    But now that you know it is related to the Irish and their tendency to brawl which is an offensive suggestion, will you stop using it?

    Hang on a minute, there's no concrete evidence about that, just as there isn't with a number of phrases and words. Sometimes the origin really isn't clear at all I'm afraid.
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    seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    My understanding was throwing a paddy was to do with baby's wearing Terrys,
    as in padded out, so being or behaving like a big baby.
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    KingCanute wrote: »
    Hang on a minute, there's no concrete evidence about that, just as there isn't with a number of phrases and words. Sometimes the origin really isn't clear at all I'm afraid.

    Exactly - and seeing as when I say it all I mean is "temper tantrum" I shall continue to use it.
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    seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    gadders wrote: »
    Exactly - and seeing as when I say it all I mean is "temper tantrum" I shall continue to use it.

    Are you throwing one now?:)
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    GemofaBirdGemofaBird Posts: 1,962
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    KingCanute wrote: »
    Hang on a minute, there's no concrete evidence about that, just as there isn't with a number of phrases and words. Sometimes the origin really isn't clear at all I'm afraid.

    No there isn't but when I saw this

    paddy2

    • noun Brit. informal a fit of temper.

    — ORIGIN from PADDY; associated with obsolete paddywhack Irishman given to brawling

    I decided it was probably the most likely origin which is quite offensive so I personally would not use it anymore if I did in the first place and just wondered if others would do the same
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 35
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    I have always used the term Throwing a paddy when my children are having a screaming tantrum and have never even considered that it would upset anyone. It is a saying that has been used in my family for years.
    I won't be using it again as I now feel quite ashamed that is offensive to some people. :o
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    SylviaSylvia Posts: 14,586
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    I am aware of the expression but have never heard anyone use it in real life, most certainly not in Ireland. I do find it rather distasteful.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,573
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    hey_jude wrote: »
    No there isn't but when I saw this

    paddy2

    • noun Brit. informal a fit of temper.

    — ORIGIN from PADDY; associated with obsolete paddywhack Irishman given to brawling

    I decided it was probably the most likely origin which is quite offensive so I personally would not use it anymore if I did in the first place and just wondered if others would do the same

    What about this one then?

    Noun 1. Paddy - (ethnic slur) offensive term for a person of Irish descent
    Mick, Mickey
    derogation, disparagement, depreciation - a communication that belittles somebody or something
    ethnic slur - a slur on someone's race or language
    Irishman - a man who is a native or inhabitant of Ireland
    2. paddy - an irrigated or flooded field where rice is grown
    paddy field, rice paddy
    field - a piece of land cleared of trees and usually enclosed; "he planted a field of wheat"
    3. paddy - rice in the husk either gathered or still in the field
    rice - grains used as food either unpolished or more often polished

    How do you know that it isn't something to do with a paddy field? Are you going to stop using "paddy field" too?

    It won't be long before someone suggests that the phrase "paddy field" is offensive for the same reason. :rolleyes:
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    seacam wrote: »
    Are you throwing one now?:)

    I tend to have one rather than throw one!
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    GemofaBirdGemofaBird Posts: 1,962
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    KingCanute wrote: »
    What about this one then?

    Noun 1. Paddy - (ethnic slur) offensive term for a person of Irish descent
    Mick, Mickey
    derogation, disparagement, depreciation - a communication that belittles somebody or something
    ethnic slur - a slur on someone's race or language
    Irishman - a man who is a native or inhabitant of Ireland
    2. paddy - an irrigated or flooded field where rice is grown
    paddy field, rice paddy
    field - a piece of land cleared of trees and usually enclosed; "he planted a field of wheat"
    3. paddy - rice in the husk either gathered or still in the field
    rice - grains used as food either unpolished or more often polished

    How do you know that it isn't something to do with a paddy field? Are you going to stop using "paddy field" too?

    It won't be long before someone suggests that the phrase "paddy field" is offensive for the same reason. :rolleyes:


    I did say most likely origin
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,573
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    hey_jude wrote: »
    I did say most likely origin

    Fair enough, you did, and of course you don't need to use the phrase if you don't want to, however, that doesn't mean that other people are somehow wrong if they choose to use it. :)
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    GemofaBirdGemofaBird Posts: 1,962
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    KingCanute wrote: »
    Fair enough, you did, and of course you don't need to use the phrase if you don't want to, however, that doesn't mean that other people are somehow wrong if they choose to use it. :)


    Can you show me where I said they were :confused:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,573
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    hey_jude wrote: »
    Can you show me where I said they were :confused:

    You didn't explicitly say it, but you did infer it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 23
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    As a "paddy" i dont find it offensive it really depends on the context it is used.I relly think we are over PCed at the moment when you say anything you have to examine it to make sure you are not offending anyone in your hearing
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    GemofaBirdGemofaBird Posts: 1,962
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    KingCanute wrote: »
    You didn't explicitly say it, but you did infer it.


    Aah to surmise what someone who you don't know is inferring just by a short piece of text! A forum minefield :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,369
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    I see your point, I just think calling Irish people paddys is offensive and outdated. I dont like it and maybe if you were being called that, you would feel the same.

    I understand where you're coming from, but as far as I know 'to have a paddy' has little to do with the irish - Or so I thought. I use it if someones being overly angry/emotional, or if the horse I'm riding is a being a sod ("Oh, stop having a paddy!" calms them down nicely, lol.)

    If it's offensive to you, then surely I can be incensed by having to put my nationality down as British, not English? I don't consider myself to be British, but English first and foremost as my family have lived here since before records began. Can I go kick off about that then?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,573
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    hey_jude wrote: »
    Aah to surmise what someone who you don't know is inferring just by a short piece of text! A forum minefield :)

    True, but I think that it's a fair enough conclusion to reach.
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    GemofaBirdGemofaBird Posts: 1,962
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    KingCanute wrote: »
    True, but I think that it's a fair enough conclusion to reach.


    Let me explain a little more, if I find a word or phrase I use actually causes offence to some people, I immediately drop it and would never use it again as I have done with loads of words over the years but I know that is probably a bit pedantic and was genuinely trying to gauge what other people do!

    Upsywupsy didn't come to the conclusion that I was having a dig but answered my genuine question with a genuine answer, I don't know why you are making something out of nothing
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    oulandyoulandy Posts: 18,242
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    I hate the term myself and find it offensive. Do you think its a racist slur? What are your views on it?

    I dont see the need to call Irish people "Paddies" etc and find it really offensive.

    Yes, it is. It's a colloquial expression used in England. Obviously it is based on traditional stereotypes common in England about Irish people.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,573
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    hey_jude wrote: »
    Let me explain a little more, if I find a word or phrase I use actually causes offense to some people, I immediately drop it and would never use it again as I have done with loads of words over the years but I know that is probably a bit pedantic and was genuinely trying to gauge what other people do!

    That's perfectly alright, but how can you do this yourself, whilst at the same time condone others who don't behave as you do, when you genuinely believe that it causes offence?
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    PamelaLPamelaL Posts: 67,688
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    oulandy wrote: »
    Yes, it is. It's a colloquial expression used in England. Obviously it is based on traditional stereotypes common in England about Irish people.

    Pardon my ignorance oulandy but what exactly is the stereotype? What does 'throwing a paddy' mean? I've not heard it a lot.
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    PamelaL wrote: »
    Pardon my ignorance oulandy but what exactly is the stereotype? What does 'throwing a paddy' mean? I've not heard it a lot.

    It means throwing a tantrum... I can only assume that the stereotype being referred to is that of irish people being a tad hot-tempered.

    Tbh I hadn't really related the phrase 'having a paddy' to the Irish until this thread.
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