Secret arrests, were they secret or just not announced to a baying media ? has he considered that if this was a normal person we would probably know absolutely nothing about it, does he mean that all celebs should be named in the press to show action is being taken whilst ordinary people are not or does he want all ordinary people to receive as much print space ? Or does he mean they are secret as in less police officers are tipping off the press for cash these days.
As for his comment
“It’s a fundamental principle that the openness of the criminal justice system starts when someone is arrested.”
Does he need reminding that so does the Contempt of Court Act.
Sky News reporting Greater Manchester Police has interviewed c. 30 women who attended Cheetham's + 30 more 3rd-party accounts being investigated. A pool of about 12 offenders.
And the media as we see picked up on the interview in that article in 2003 so one has to ask why did nothing happen and did Nigel Kennedy go to the police ?
In this article he is apparently appalled bythe latest allegations
Actually buried in that otherwise unpalatable article are some interesting points.
"... Taking girls to one’s dressing room, bottom pinching and groping in cars hardly rank in the annals of depravity ...it makes abuse banal, and reduces the sympathy that we should feel for victims of really serious assaults"
.... This national trawl for historical victims was an open invitation to all manner of folk to reinterpret their experience of the past as one of victimisation
"generates a demand that criminal courts should afford accusers therapy, by giving them ‘a voice’. This function is far removed from the courts’ traditional role, in which the state must prove defendants guilty beyond reasonable doubt".
".... many reforms introduced in the name of child protection involve sweeping attacks on fundamental Anglo-American legal rights and safeguards, such as the presumption of innocence"
"I do not support the persecution of old men. The manipulation of the rule of law by the Savile Inquisition – otherwise known as Operation Yewtree – and its attendant zealots poses a far graver threat to society than anything Jimmy Savile ever did."
Wonder what the abused think of the above opening statement.
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 4m
I am quite astonished by the views held by Baraba Hewston. She makes such statements that surely warrant some professional body intervention
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 4m
I am quite astonished by the views held by Baraba Hewston. She makes such statements that surely warrant some professional body intervention
Says a man who the police thought had sufficient evidence to arrest and the CPS thought there was enough to charge him with and win a conviction.
At trial he was found not guilty but if he'd passed away before the trial, then the police & CPS would have been right to have publicly to have declared him guilty?
Comments
Orville might be one of the complainers - Keith Harris watch out! :eek:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10042622/Pupils-sexually-abused-at-elite-music-schools-according-to-claims.html
I saw him having his hand up his backside :eek:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/operation-yewtree-david-smith-former-1806777
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10042112/Jimmy-Tarbuck-child-abuse-claim-police-must-end-secret-arrests-says-Brian-Paddick.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/07/manchester-music-schools-teachers-investigation
Secret arrests, were they secret or just not announced to a baying media ? has he considered that if this was a normal person we would probably know absolutely nothing about it, does he mean that all celebs should be named in the press to show action is being taken whilst ordinary people are not or does he want all ordinary people to receive as much print space ? Or does he mean they are secret as in less police officers are tipping off the press for cash these days.
As for his comment
“It’s a fundamental principle that the openness of the criminal justice system starts when someone is arrested.”
Does he need reminding that so does the Contempt of Court Act.
http://www.channel4.com/news/sex-scandal-five-uk-music-schools-implicated-exclusive
and the Telegraph reporting last night's Channel 4 News item
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10042622/Pupils-sexually-abused-at-elite-music-school-claims-Nigel-Kennedy.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/sep/28/childprotection.schools
1) I doubt she'll be doing the show somehow, given her father's arrest it'll probably be seen as best if she didn't.
2) Anyone sending threats or similar could be arrested for sending malicious communications.
And the media as we see picked up on the interview in that article in 2003 so one has to ask why did nothing happen and did Nigel Kennedy go to the police ?
In this article he is apparently appalled bythe latest allegations
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/violinist-nigel-kennedy-appalled-by-allegations-of-child-sex-abuse-at-prestigious-yehudi-menuhin-music-school-8606908.html
Guest on today's This Morning
http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/stuart-hall-abuse-linda-mcdougall/
Updated Savile offences by police area
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgeWW3ExhzkIdExwMDJ3eFptSUx6ckVySUZEWVpxQXc#gid=0
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/operation-yewtree-former-bbc-driver-1876656
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/interactive/2013/apr/03/manchester-chethams-school-music-document
Skip to Conclusions at end if you're short of time.
http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13604/
Actually buried in that otherwise unpalatable article are some interesting points.
"... Taking girls to one’s dressing room, bottom pinching and groping in cars hardly rank in the annals of depravity ...it makes abuse banal, and reduces the sympathy that we should feel for victims of really serious assaults"
.... This national trawl for historical victims was an open invitation to all manner of folk to reinterpret their experience of the past as one of victimisation
"generates a demand that criminal courts should afford accusers therapy, by giving them ‘a voice’. This function is far removed from the courts’ traditional role, in which the state must prove defendants guilty beyond reasonable doubt".
".... many reforms introduced in the name of child protection involve sweeping attacks on fundamental Anglo-American legal rights and safeguards, such as the presumption of innocence"
"I do not support the persecution of old men. The manipulation of the rule of law by the Savile Inquisition – otherwise known as Operation Yewtree – and its attendant zealots poses a far graver threat to society than anything Jimmy Savile ever did."
Wonder what the abused think of the above opening statement.
But what if prosecution is based on guilt and evidence, and some of them just happen to be aged celebrities?
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 4m
I am quite astonished by the views held by Baraba Hewston. She makes such statements that surely warrant some professional body intervention
Someone there needs to learn Excel properly. That chart seems all over the place.
Says a man who the police thought had sufficient evidence to arrest and the CPS thought there was enough to charge him with and win a conviction.
At trial he was found not guilty but if he'd passed away before the trial, then the police & CPS would have been right to have publicly to have declared him guilty?