The ending was a bit brutal, wasn't expecting that...with the foot . I thought Bob had been bitten and was going to walk off into the night never to be seen again, or turn and go on a rampage in the Church.
Anyone think he was bitten and the twist will be they've eaten his leg and will somehow be infected and turn. Or am I reading too much into this
When did he get all lovey dovey with Sascha. I must have missed that, I just thought they flirted a bit.
Still, the best thing on TV at the moment and I love Daryl ;-)
I think the writers deliberately left the issue with his leg vague to give us all something to talk about. The clues suggest he might have been bitten, but maybe cooking his leg made it safe to eat? I don't know if you can kill off viruses with heat in the same way you can with bacteria. I guess we'll find out.
I agree about the ending! Now it's clear why the writers never had the characters expressly mention cannibalism or anything at Terminus. It made this reveal (of sorts) more dramatic.
Didn't the car that passed Daryl and Carol have a cross on the back window? I wonder if it's got anything to do with the reverend.
wow another fab episode (just seen it) poor bob getting his leg cut off and eaten,( ewww that was a shocking ending) , glad they saved father gabriel but am not what sure what happened with him but im guessing he refused to let people into the church
i hope rick puts down gareth once and for all and soon
wow another fab episode (just seen it) poor bob getting his leg cut off and eaten,( ewww that was a shocking ending) , glad they saved father gabriel but am not what sure what happened with him but im guessing he refused to let people into the church
i hope rick puts down gareth once and for all and soon
Personally I think he would look better with a crossbow in his skull or maybe spit roasted alive and fed to Walkers.
So just watched the last scenes again and noticed that Gareth said to Bob: "We didn't want to hurt you before... We didn't want to pull you away from your group or scare you......I told you, I said it - you can't go back Bob... Yes you put us in this situation and it is a kind of cosmic justice that it had to be you but we would have done it to anybody"
It made me think. Was Bob originally one of the Termites? Did he leave them when they became cannibals? Why did Gareth specifically talk about 'pulling' him away from the Group?
I didn't think of this, nor the fact Bob probably knew who was watching their group. As the trees had been slashed. More than likely a sign for members of Terminus to identify one another. But if Bob had belonged to that group and knew they were nearby why didn't he warn Rick and the others?
Gareth's team are good since Daryl was unable to find a trace of them. Although Daryl and Rick must be aware the tree markings signify something in relation to another group.
The Reverend has more than a few sins he's hiding. I suspect he harvested people for Terminus.
Before the Terminus group became cannibals I believe they might have been looking for a better understanding into the nature of the walkers, like the Governor was.
Except they might have been willing to turn people.
Before I knew it was Lizzie who was feeding the walkers at the prison, I thought it was Bob doing it. He never appears to kill any of the walkers with any malice as though there were some affinity between them. If he had been studying them it would explain this odd behaviour.
Come to think of it the underlying theme of this episode was in the secrets everyone kept from one another. Rick is allowing the Reverend to keep his secret, while Tara shared hers with Maggie, and Carol and Tyreese have made a pact to keep theirs.
I wonder if the power of these secrets are what threatens the group?
As we've brutally seen, Bob's secret has all but claimed his life.
...what the hell was he doing wondering outside anyway??:confused: When he was by the tree and started crying - for a minute there, I thought he was gonna reveal a bite and that he knew he would be a 'walker' soon, but obviously not!
..actually, yep, I noticed that too - Tyreese should have killed him when he had the chance!
'Bob-Burger'...!!!! Love it!!!!:D
This intrigued me as well and like you and others I definitely considered he'd been bitten and was going to kill himself / wait to turn. Something ironic about it though was the speech Rick gave Carl earlier about never being safe and always being on your guard because Bob certainly let his guard down there.
Regarding the possible consequences of eating contaminated meat I'm bemused what with all the possibilities and permutations. However, for now I'll stick with, everyone carries the virus but this only plays out after death and though Bob was bitten he wasn't actually dead so I'm assuming there won't be any specific consequences. Plus I don't think we'll be satisfied with such an easy / straight forward death for the cannibals of Terminus
Bob being specifically sought by them is interesting but just about as difficult to call as eating a bitten individual There are so many possibilities.
ETA Something I've just remembered about the carvings is wasn't Morgan looking at a carving when we saw him at the end of the first episode :o
The ending was a bit brutal, wasn't expecting that...with the foot . I thought Bob had been bitten and was going to walk off into the night never to be seen again, or turn and go on a rampage in the Church.
Anyone think he was bitten and the twist will be they've eaten his leg and will somehow be infected and turn. Or am I reading too much into this
When did he get all lovey dovey with Sascha. I must have missed that, I just thought they flirted a bit.
Still, the best thing on TV at the moment and I love Daryl ;-)
They are already infected everyone (as far as we know is ) when you die you come back as a walker hence any human that ricks group have killed (or any of ricks group that has died ) have had the brain destroyed to stop them turning
So just watched the last scenes again and noticed that Gareth said to Bob: "We didn't want to hurt you before... We didn't want to pull you away from your group or scare you......I told you, I said it - you can't go back Bob... Yes you put us in this situation and it is a kind of cosmic justice that it had to be you but we would have done it to anybody"
It made me think. Was Bob originally one of the Termites? Did he leave them when they became cannibals? Why did Gareth specifically talk about 'pulling' him away from the Group?
I take from that that Bob was part of the Terminus group and deserted them when they became cannibals but for some reason didn't want Rick's group to know this . I'm not sure that eating his leg bitten or not should make any difference as they are all going to turn at death anyway , though it might happen quicker with infected meat .
ETA Something I've just remembered about the carvings is wasn't Morgan looking at a carving when we saw him at the end of the first episode :o
The carvings are indeed intriguing. Morgan certianly saw the carvings at end of episode 1. I assumed that there was some kind of pact made between Morgan and Rick that Rick would always leave a mark, just like he did the daily Walkie talkie contact at the beginning, which has yet to been to been shown to us in a flashback or that we missed when they met in series 4.
But as I have mistakenly deleted episode 1, I can't check. However I am sure the two carvings shown in episode 1 and episode 2 were different.
I dont see why they need too. Lizzie and Mika weren't main characters, theres a whole lot more who were at the prison who are now either dead or gone, no-one knew where those two went.
After the Governor attacked the prison, and everyone did a runner, people will probably not know who was with who as people lost contact them made up little groups -so Rick and everyone else might not have any clue that the two girls were with Tyreese and Carol.
If Bob has been bitten and was on his way to turning and then the cannibals started eating the 'infected' meat - wouldn't this be a little like fighting fire with fire in that it could go some way towards finding a cure. Or ... it could lead to a new strain of the virus - making zombies that have the insatiable appetite to eat people - but with the added bonus of being able to plot and scheme - a sort of super-zombie!
The carvings are indeed intriguing. Morgan certianly saw the carvings at end of episode 1. I assumed that there was some kind of pact made between Morgan and Rick that Rick would always leave a mark, just like he did the daily Walkie talkie contact at the beginning, which has yet to been to been shown to us in a flashback or that we missed when they met in series 4.
But as I have mistakenly deleted episode 1, I can't check. However I am sure the two carvings shown in episode 1 and episode 2 were different.
Any confirmation would be much appreciated.
Just as a follow up. The carving that Morgan was following and the carving after Bob was hit are not the same. The first one was a circle with a cross in it.(just watched episode I on sky go) and the second was - well - a long horizontal line and a short vertical line?
More importantly. Watching episode 1 again, I see that the last bit, where Gareth and Co are in the trailer and one raped girl is thrown back in and replaced by another poor victim, that the perpetrator looked a lot like the guy who saw Rick hiding under the bed in series 4 and was one of the gang who Darryl joined.
More importantly. Watching episode 1 again, I see that the last bit, where Gareth and Co are in the trailer and one raped girl is thrown back in and replaced by another poor victim, that the perpetrator looked a lot like the guy who saw Rick hiding under the bed in series 4 and was one of the gang who Darryl joined.
That guy was the one Glen let out of the Container as the group escaped Terminus (confirmed on The Talking Dead I believe).
He could'n't have been the same guy that saw Rick as he would have been locked in the Container the whole time between the Termites retaking Terminus and Ricks group being captured.
That guy was the one Glen let out of the Boxcar as the group escaped Terminus (confirmed on The Talking Dead I believe).
He could'n't have been the same guy that saw Rick as he would have been locked in the Boxcar the whole time between the Termites retaking Terminus and Ricks group being captured.
I don't think so. It doesn't make sense. The one let out of the boxcar had to have been there for a long time and how could he still be alive when we saw Rick & Co kill the whole group before they arrived at Terminus. Plus the leader of the 'bullies' was determined not to go to Terminus. Just makes sense to me.
Wow. Is there a less nerdy thread where everything isn't dissected to the nth degree? Bit confused about all the different threads tbh. Can someone point me in the direction of one that just likes to talk about the show without getting all weird and culty? Cheers
Wow. Is there a less nerdy thread where everything isn't dissected to the nth degree? Bit confused about all the different threads tbh. Can someone point me in the direction of one that just likes to talk about the show without getting all weird and culty? Cheers
:D:D
As for Bob being one of the termites,as suggested above.If he was,surely Gareth would have mentioned it back at terminus,when Bob was about to be slaughtered.He would have no reason not to. in fact he would have reveled in telling rick/Daryl and Glenn as they knelt beside him.
There is no way Bob would have lead Sasha into danger without any discussion surely?
To me it doesn't work with Bob being a Termite unless he ran out on them when the Bullies turned up - way before they re-took and turned cannibal.
And even if he left them to the bullies, he'd warn Sasha that Terminus isn't what it seems.
Could the speech from Gareth tie in with what one of the women said to Carol - "You could have been one of us" - perhaps they had chosen Bob (and maybe Rick & Daryl) to join them if they didn't pee their pants at the 'slaughter'?
I don't know where some of you get the "Bob used to live at Terminus" thing from.
They didn't specifically target Bob, they were simply waiting for one of them to come out on their own. It just happened to be Bob. They're hunters, predators, who wait for one of the flock to stray from the herd on their own before striking.
And yeah, Bob clearly came out to suicide himself because he was infected.
As for whether it will affect the Termites; yes, everyone has the virus, but it's inactive until they die. BUT Bob has live active virus in his bloodstream. It'll give them all the "dying fever". When you consider how much virus (inactive) they have in their systems from eating human flesh...super walkers?
The thing that bugs me is they're being all intelligent and forming a plan to get the tinned food, but miss the most obvious thing everyone else in that situation would think of; what if some walkers have degenerated to the point they can no longer stand and are laying in the water?
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I think the writers deliberately left the issue with his leg vague to give us all something to talk about. The clues suggest he might have been bitten, but maybe cooking his leg made it safe to eat? I don't know if you can kill off viruses with heat in the same way you can with bacteria. I guess we'll find out.
I agree about the ending! Now it's clear why the writers never had the characters expressly mention cannibalism or anything at Terminus. It made this reveal (of sorts) more dramatic.
Didn't the car that passed Daryl and Carol have a cross on the back window? I wonder if it's got anything to do with the reverend.
i hope rick puts down gareth once and for all and soon
Personally I think he would look better with a crossbow in his skull or maybe spit roasted alive and fed to Walkers.
Walkers wouldn't eat him if he was cooked.
It would be too quick a death to let them eat him alive.
sounds like a good idea
even better idea
I think he possibly locked his flock out.
I didn't think of this, nor the fact Bob probably knew who was watching their group. As the trees had been slashed. More than likely a sign for members of Terminus to identify one another. But if Bob had belonged to that group and knew they were nearby why didn't he warn Rick and the others?
Gareth's team are good since Daryl was unable to find a trace of them. Although Daryl and Rick must be aware the tree markings signify something in relation to another group.
The Reverend has more than a few sins he's hiding. I suspect he harvested people for Terminus.
Before the Terminus group became cannibals I believe they might have been looking for a better understanding into the nature of the walkers, like the Governor was.
Except they might have been willing to turn people.
Before I knew it was Lizzie who was feeding the walkers at the prison, I thought it was Bob doing it. He never appears to kill any of the walkers with any malice as though there were some affinity between them. If he had been studying them it would explain this odd behaviour.
Come to think of it the underlying theme of this episode was in the secrets everyone kept from one another. Rick is allowing the Reverend to keep his secret, while Tara shared hers with Maggie, and Carol and Tyreese have made a pact to keep theirs.
I wonder if the power of these secrets are what threatens the group?
As we've brutally seen, Bob's secret has all but claimed his life.
This intrigued me as well and like you and others I definitely considered he'd been bitten and was going to kill himself / wait to turn. Something ironic about it though was the speech Rick gave Carl earlier about never being safe and always being on your guard because Bob certainly let his guard down there.
Regarding the possible consequences of eating contaminated meat I'm bemused what with all the possibilities and permutations. However, for now I'll stick with, everyone carries the virus but this only plays out after death and though Bob was bitten he wasn't actually dead so I'm assuming there won't be any specific consequences. Plus I don't think we'll be satisfied with such an easy / straight forward death for the cannibals of Terminus
Bob being specifically sought by them is interesting but just about as difficult to call as eating a bitten individual
ETA Something I've just remembered about the carvings is wasn't Morgan looking at a carving when we saw him at the end of the first episode
They are already infected everyone (as far as we know is ) when you die you come back as a walker hence any human that ricks group have killed (or any of ricks group that has died ) have had the brain destroyed to stop them turning
I take from that that Bob was part of the Terminus group and deserted them when they became cannibals but for some reason didn't want Rick's group to know this . I'm not sure that eating his leg bitten or not should make any difference as they are all going to turn at death anyway , though it might happen quicker with infected meat .
The carvings are indeed intriguing. Morgan certianly saw the carvings at end of episode 1. I assumed that there was some kind of pact made between Morgan and Rick that Rick would always leave a mark, just like he did the daily Walkie talkie contact at the beginning, which has yet to been to been shown to us in a flashback or that we missed when they met in series 4.
But as I have mistakenly deleted episode 1, I can't check. However I am sure the two carvings shown in episode 1 and episode 2 were different.
Any confirmation would be much appreciated.
Umm you do realise it wasn't a serious quote don't you.
(this is courtesy of roamers + lurkers site)
Yes. .
After the Governor attacked the prison, and everyone did a runner, people will probably not know who was with who as people lost contact them made up little groups -so Rick and everyone else might not have any clue that the two girls were with Tyreese and Carol.
Just a thought.
Just as a follow up. The carving that Morgan was following and the carving after Bob was hit are not the same. The first one was a circle with a cross in it.(just watched episode I on sky go) and the second was - well - a long horizontal line and a short vertical line?
More importantly. Watching episode 1 again, I see that the last bit, where Gareth and Co are in the trailer and one raped girl is thrown back in and replaced by another poor victim, that the perpetrator looked a lot like the guy who saw Rick hiding under the bed in series 4 and was one of the gang who Darryl joined.
That guy was the one Glen let out of the Container as the group escaped Terminus (confirmed on The Talking Dead I believe).
He could'n't have been the same guy that saw Rick as he would have been locked in the Container the whole time between the Termites retaking Terminus and Ricks group being captured.
I don't think so. It doesn't make sense. The one let out of the boxcar had to have been there for a long time and how could he still be alive when we saw Rick & Co kill the whole group before they arrived at Terminus. Plus the leader of the 'bullies' was determined not to go to Terminus. Just makes sense to me.
He also is wearing the same shirt (though as lost the sleeveless jacket).
None of that group that Rick/Darryl met had tattoo's on their faces as far as I can recall.
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I accede to your superior knowledge, as mine was pure speculation.
As for Bob being one of the termites,as suggested above.If he was,surely Gareth would have mentioned it back at terminus,when Bob was about to be slaughtered.He would have no reason not to. in fact he would have reveled in telling rick/Daryl and Glenn as they knelt beside him.
To me it doesn't work with Bob being a Termite unless he ran out on them when the Bullies turned up - way before they re-took and turned cannibal.
And even if he left them to the bullies, he'd warn Sasha that Terminus isn't what it seems.
Could the speech from Gareth tie in with what one of the women said to Carol - "You could have been one of us" - perhaps they had chosen Bob (and maybe Rick & Daryl) to join them if they didn't pee their pants at the 'slaughter'?
They didn't specifically target Bob, they were simply waiting for one of them to come out on their own. It just happened to be Bob. They're hunters, predators, who wait for one of the flock to stray from the herd on their own before striking.
And yeah, Bob clearly came out to suicide himself because he was infected.
As for whether it will affect the Termites; yes, everyone has the virus, but it's inactive until they die. BUT Bob has live active virus in his bloodstream. It'll give them all the "dying fever". When you consider how much virus (inactive) they have in their systems from eating human flesh...super walkers?
The thing that bugs me is they're being all intelligent and forming a plan to get the tinned food, but miss the most obvious thing everyone else in that situation would think of; what if some walkers have degenerated to the point they can no longer stand and are laying in the water?