If they were to show adult-themed programmes all day, there needs to be much better information about them available and more control over what kids can access.
I used to lock-out all but the kids channels on my TiVo with a pin number.
Now I have to block access to the BBC, ITV and Channel4 web sites because they can stream anything by simply lying about their age.
If they were to show adult-themed programmes all day, there needs to be much better information about them available and more control over what kids can access.
I used to lock-out all but the kids channels on my TiVo with a pin number.
Now I have to block access to the BBC, ITV and Channel4 web sites because they can stream anything by simply lying about their age.
Well thought out plan there, they thought no one would lie about their age. Same goes for the gaming sites.
I would imagine the daytime adult channels would be the credit card ones only so the owner obviously knows he/she has bought it, that cant be said with the slapper on a sofa channels.
No, parents would have to make sure the kids are watching suitable material instead of thinking anything before 9pm is ok for their 7 year old.
I went to France for an exchange for 2 weeks when I was 14. To my suprise, the kids TV was presented by a topless woman at 4pm and we watched it with the parent in the house and nothing was said.
It was normal for them, over here there would be uproar and in the US, civilisation would probably break down if that happened.
I bet if that was broadcast in the UK it would reach the Daily Mail and everything.
So now you dont believe anything was shown unless youve seen it yourself?
How about a live autopsy? Thats more unbelievable that a woman with her top off.
Flyer, I've watched, and still do, enough TV from around the world to know that kids Tv does not have topless presenters so please stop kidding yourself.
Flyer, I've watched, and still do, enough TV from around the world to know that kids Tv does not have topless presenters so please stop kidding yourself.
Dont believe me then, I dont care but I know what I saw and the time I saw it because it was the only positive thing about going to France.
Its completely idiotic not to believe something because you havent seen it yourself.
Sorry if I someone has posted the same. Until we are digital only country we need the watershed some People with kids still might only have analoge tv there for can't pin protect channels. Only when we can get tv only on digital tv we can get rid of the watershed.
I was in Sainsbugs the other day, kids allowed to scream all the time, parents not bothered to shut them up, or seem to care for anyone else
That's some parents. Personally, I haven't taken my kids on a plane yet as I would hate to think that their crying (one is six months) might disturb the start of someone's holiday. As for shopping, when they kick off I take them out of the store - at least the eldest. He is now as good as gold in shops and loves going.
As for the watershed, it might be slightly outdated but I personally like the idea that as a society we try and behave responsibly towards our kids. Plus it's not just kids that know what to expect either - my gran basically switches off after 9pm 'just in case it gets blue'.
So because many people have no values these days we should just show anything from extreme violence to porn on daytime and evening TV?
Sorry but just because some kids are subjected to this doesn't mean it should be an option for all. I am not a prude but you can go too far and I think a good example of this is the amount of films these days that would have got 15 or even 18 ratings in the past that now get 12A's.
Take the last Batman film the Dark Knight. When I saw it at the pictures two things struck me:1) it really was one the most overrated pieces of twaddle I have ever seen and 2) there were young children screaming and having to be taken out by their parents because some of the sequences in it went way too far for a 12A cert- the Joker torturing people with knifes and a version of the villain Two Face that was more like Half Face so unrealistically over the top were his facial burns. I'm sorry it should have been a 15. Even if you enjoy this film I can't see the benefit of it been 12A as it had obviously been edited i.e. compromised to get the 12A and still managed to be too gruesome. The real reason it was pushed as 12A was so as many people as possible could see it and to make the studio as much money as possible.
By removing the watershed you'll just create the same climate on TV and worse than that encourage more (im)mature TV shows with shock value to get viewers in. I think whatever the plus or minus points of the watershed it does put everything in its place and ensures that British TV has variety to it rather than just been a milking of tasteless content for shock value.
I'm not so bothered by swearing on TV at any time during the day, or nudity. Full frontal nudity is permitted anyway if justified by context, there was a life drawing show on Channel 4 a few months ago that showed everything, and they never edit A Room With A View or Orlando when they're shown early.
I wouldn't be entirely happy with very sexual nudity being shown early evening, or explicit violence. I think there is an argument that evening TV is overcensored but there does need to be a time at which parents know they have to assume responsibility for what their kids watch, which is essentially what the watershed does.
I have no problem with 18 rated films being shown at 9pm uncensored.
Of course we need a watershed. We don't want little kids hearing swear words and repeating them in the playground.
Are you really that naive? Kids already know more swear words than adults. Its just that they dont usually use around parents them so the adults dont know.
"It is disturbing that GQ, which is explicitly written for adult men, is sexualizing the actresses who play high school-aged characters on Glee in this way. It borders on pedophilia,” said PTC President Tim Winter.
Yes, the pictures are crossing a line and I find them distasteful but frankly, so are most magazine photos these days as publications scramble to make money. And despite playing teens, the Glee actors are all adults (Dianna Agron and Lea Michele are 24, Cory Monteith is 28).
Now I have looked at these "borders on pedophilia" pictures, and to save your blushes, they are not anything like pedophilia.
Whilst both girls have nice bodies, they are do nothing new, the pictures of the brunette remind me of some taken of Alyon Hanningon when she was in Buffy, and they are wearing far more than the average Page 3 girl (I forget, do Page 3 girls, wear clothes?)
In fact looking at them, I am most struck by the fact the brunette face looks better on the show than in these photos.
now if I recall correctly, and I am by no means a Glee fan, but I believe Britney has had a cameo apperance on the show, and those pictures are really nothing she hasnt done, and she probaly did it when she was younger.
Its groups like the Parents Television Council, which keeps amercia like it is.
I still find it amusing that the PTC will complain about something like this, when US cable is doing stuff which does have the power to shock people.
I am only glad we do have the PTC over here, even something like Hollyoaks would shock them.
That's what you get when you hire actors in their late 20s to play teenagers. Most of the cast of 90210 looked like they were in their 30s! That PTC comment is laughable, but I wouldn't expect anything less from the organistation that threw it's knickers in a twist during Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" during the Superbowl a couple of years ago.
Are you really that naive? Kids already know more swear words than adults. Its just that they dont usually use around parents them so the adults dont know.
The problem is not knowing the swear words, I am sure most of them knew them ourselves as children but we knew when not to use them. Many people seem unable to open their mouths without using language that would be considered shocking not long ago.
Unfortunately many so-called "comedians" are as bad, they can only do one type of material. Some years back a friend told me of a show he had seen somewhere someone who was considered a squeaky clean family entertainer, it was late night so he did a very "blue" show which he would have never have dreamt of doing at any other time. Many modern entertainers do not understand how to adjust their act for a particular audience.
The problem is not knowing the swear words, I am sure most of them knew them ourselves as children but we knew when not to use them. Many people seem unable to open their mouths without using language that would be considered shocking not long ago.
I agree but the watershed doesnt cause any of the problems.
Its the parents not letting the kids know when its not acceptable to use them.
As with all censorship problems, its not the film/TV/internet/game thats the problem, its the parents being lazy or not caring.
I went to France for an exchange for 2 weeks when I was 14. To my suprise, the kids TV was presented by a topless woman at 4pm and we watched it with the parent in the house and nothing was said.
It was normal for them, over here there would be uproar and in the US, civilisation would probably break down if that happened.
I am half French and lived there for some time, plus have also visited countless times. Plus I have had French television by satellite for the past 15 years. It is NOT normal to see the children's presenter topless, or to put it simply, I have never seen it happen! Not to say that it didn't happen, but don't think that it is normal in France. It isn't. Not for children's programming, anyway.
It IS relatively normal to see topless women featured on daytime tv in France, but normally briefly, i.e. in trailers for programmes appearing later..... or showering women in adverts for shampoo. Not just France, but also I have seen toplessness in the daytime on German and Dutch tv.
Perhaps it was a lot more usual 20 years ago, as I haven't seen any topless women recently..... then again I don't watch much daytime tv any more because I have work to do.
On digital, there is no call for a watershed due to the pin protection system
On our mainstream channels, we need to relax a little in terms of language/nudity up until 9.
Theres no reason to get prudish over nudity at all because its hardly going to scar a child for life if they see a cock or fanny as tey have no doubt seen their parents at some point.
With language, if theres a warning beforehand, like in australia, then whats the problem. If you are watching with your child, you tell them not to repeat those words, its called parenting. It worked for me and people i know!
On digital, there is no call for a watershed due to the pin protection system
How can the broadcasters enforce per-programme PIN protection on any satellite receiver, such as mine which only has a channel by channel "parental lock" (set by the user)?
How can the broadcasters enforce per-programme PIN protection on any satellite receiver, such as mine which only has a channel by channel "parental lock" (set by the user)?
-rapido
Thats precisely the point, anyone with kids can set up the channels how they want. I believe all 18 programs can be restricted as well as channels.
Those without kids can watch 15 or 18 films during the day.
Thats precisely the point, anyone with kids can set up the channels how they want. I believe all 18 programs can be restricted as well as channels.
I understand your point, however it only works on individual channels, not just 15 or 18 rated programmes.
So blocking (say) Channel 4 because of the adult films means that the children's programmes on in the morning on 4 can't be watched either without the PIN being entered.
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I used to lock-out all but the kids channels on my TiVo with a pin number.
Now I have to block access to the BBC, ITV and Channel4 web sites because they can stream anything by simply lying about their age.
I would imagine the daytime adult channels would be the credit card ones only so the owner obviously knows he/she has bought it, that cant be said with the slapper on a sofa channels.
So now you dont believe anything was shown unless youve seen it yourself?
How about a live autopsy? Thats more unbelievable that a woman with her top off.
I bet if that was broadcast in the UK it would reach the Daily Mail and everything.
Flyer, I've watched, and still do, enough TV from around the world to know that kids Tv does not have topless presenters so please stop kidding yourself.
Dont believe me then, I dont care but I know what I saw and the time I saw it because it was the only positive thing about going to France.
Its completely idiotic not to believe something because you havent seen it yourself.
I was in Sainsbugs the other day, kids allowed to scream all the time, parents not bothered to shut them up, or seem to care for anyone else.
You don't have to see for yourself to know that there is absolutely no chance of a topless woman presenting a kids show on national tv
That's some parents. Personally, I haven't taken my kids on a plane yet as I would hate to think that their crying (one is six months) might disturb the start of someone's holiday. As for shopping, when they kick off I take them out of the store - at least the eldest. He is now as good as gold in shops and loves going.
As for the watershed, it might be slightly outdated but I personally like the idea that as a society we try and behave responsibly towards our kids. Plus it's not just kids that know what to expect either - my gran basically switches off after 9pm 'just in case it gets blue'.
Sorry but just because some kids are subjected to this doesn't mean it should be an option for all. I am not a prude but you can go too far and I think a good example of this is the amount of films these days that would have got 15 or even 18 ratings in the past that now get 12A's.
Take the last Batman film the Dark Knight. When I saw it at the pictures two things struck me:1) it really was one the most overrated pieces of twaddle I have ever seen and 2) there were young children screaming and having to be taken out by their parents because some of the sequences in it went way too far for a 12A cert- the Joker torturing people with knifes and a version of the villain Two Face that was more like Half Face so unrealistically over the top were his facial burns. I'm sorry it should have been a 15. Even if you enjoy this film I can't see the benefit of it been 12A as it had obviously been edited i.e. compromised to get the 12A and still managed to be too gruesome. The real reason it was pushed as 12A was so as many people as possible could see it and to make the studio as much money as possible.
By removing the watershed you'll just create the same climate on TV and worse than that encourage more (im)mature TV shows with shock value to get viewers in. I think whatever the plus or minus points of the watershed it does put everything in its place and ensures that British TV has variety to it rather than just been a milking of tasteless content for shock value.
I wouldn't be entirely happy with very sexual nudity being shown early evening, or explicit violence. I think there is an argument that evening TV is overcensored but there does need to be a time at which parents know they have to assume responsibility for what their kids watch, which is essentially what the watershed does.
I have no problem with 18 rated films being shown at 9pm uncensored.
Are you really that naive? Kids already know more swear words than adults. Its just that they dont usually use around parents them so the adults dont know.
The Pictures in Question
http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/racy-glee-gq-shoot-creates-controversy/
Now I have looked at these "borders on pedophilia" pictures, and to save your blushes, they are not anything like pedophilia.
Whilst both girls have nice bodies, they are do nothing new, the pictures of the brunette remind me of some taken of Alyon Hanningon when she was in Buffy, and they are wearing far more than the average Page 3 girl (I forget, do Page 3 girls, wear clothes?)
In fact looking at them, I am most struck by the fact the brunette face looks better on the show than in these photos.
Stuff like this shouldnt even be reported as all it does is give legitimacy to the weirdo whiners.
Take note Daily Fail.
Its groups like the Parents Television Council, which keeps amercia like it is.
I still find it amusing that the PTC will complain about something like this, when US cable is doing stuff which does have the power to shock people.
I am only glad we do have the PTC over here, even something like Hollyoaks would shock them.
The problem is not knowing the swear words, I am sure most of them knew them ourselves as children but we knew when not to use them. Many people seem unable to open their mouths without using language that would be considered shocking not long ago.
Unfortunately many so-called "comedians" are as bad, they can only do one type of material. Some years back a friend told me of a show he had seen somewhere someone who was considered a squeaky clean family entertainer, it was late night so he did a very "blue" show which he would have never have dreamt of doing at any other time. Many modern entertainers do not understand how to adjust their act for a particular audience.
I agree but the watershed doesnt cause any of the problems.
Its the parents not letting the kids know when its not acceptable to use them.
As with all censorship problems, its not the film/TV/internet/game thats the problem, its the parents being lazy or not caring.
I am half French and lived there for some time, plus have also visited countless times. Plus I have had French television by satellite for the past 15 years. It is NOT normal to see the children's presenter topless, or to put it simply, I have never seen it happen! Not to say that it didn't happen, but don't think that it is normal in France. It isn't. Not for children's programming, anyway.
It IS relatively normal to see topless women featured on daytime tv in France, but normally briefly, i.e. in trailers for programmes appearing later..... or showering women in adverts for shampoo. Not just France, but also I have seen toplessness in the daytime on German and Dutch tv.
Perhaps it was a lot more usual 20 years ago, as I haven't seen any topless women recently..... then again I don't watch much daytime tv any more because I have work to do.
-rapido
On our mainstream channels, we need to relax a little in terms of language/nudity up until 9.
Theres no reason to get prudish over nudity at all because its hardly going to scar a child for life if they see a cock or fanny as tey have no doubt seen their parents at some point.
With language, if theres a warning beforehand, like in australia, then whats the problem. If you are watching with your child, you tell them not to repeat those words, its called parenting. It worked for me and people i know!
How can the broadcasters enforce per-programme PIN protection on any satellite receiver, such as mine which only has a channel by channel "parental lock" (set by the user)?
-rapido
Those without kids can watch 15 or 18 films during the day.
I understand your point, however it only works on individual channels, not just 15 or 18 rated programmes.
So blocking (say) Channel 4 because of the adult films means that the children's programmes on in the morning on 4 can't be watched either without the PIN being entered.
-rapido