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Who would have won IF they'd stuck to the original categories?
pgw71
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If you recall, they altered the Overs category from 'Over 25' to 'Over 28'.
It could have been and final 12 as follows
Cheryl : Katie, Cher, Rebecca
Simon : 1D, Belle Amie, FYD
Dannii: Paije, Aiden, Nicolo
Louis: Matt, TreyC, Mary
(Yes I know there were 'wildcards', but I'm just working off the final 12 for the purposes of this)
When you look at it like this, it seems like Louis was royally screwed. He could have had a cracking set of contestants instead of being the 'joke' category
But would Matt still have won if he'd had Louis, with his usual dodgy song choices and poor styling
How do you think it would have played out?
It could have been and final 12 as follows
Cheryl : Katie, Cher, Rebecca
Simon : 1D, Belle Amie, FYD
Dannii: Paije, Aiden, Nicolo
Louis: Matt, TreyC, Mary
(Yes I know there were 'wildcards', but I'm just working off the final 12 for the purposes of this)
When you look at it like this, it seems like Louis was royally screwed. He could have had a cracking set of contestants instead of being the 'joke' category
But would Matt still have won if he'd had Louis, with his usual dodgy song choices and poor styling
How do you think it would have played out?
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I'm not sure about that. He would have had to overcome the stigma of the overs and, mostly, that younger girls would have been less likely to vote for him if he weren't in the "boys" category.
they shouldn't have changed the age limit.
nah, matt would have won anyway. he topped the votes every week, except the first, which is true for almost all the winners.
I think Louis has a bit of track record of hopeless song choices, and if he'd set Matt up with dated song choices in the first couple of shows, then who knows?
Plus any contestant in Louis' group is fair game for constant sniping from Simon. That could have been an issue for Matt like it appeared to be with Mary.
Personally I think both Aidan and Paije gave as good as they could and got as far as they ever would have.
The girls category is unchanged.
Same with groups.
Louis' choices of songs are pretty dated so I reckon Treyc might've done even worse, and the gap between Matt and Rebecca might have been shorter in the end.
I'd still say we would have ended with the same winner though.
He was second week 1. It's not like he was way behind Mary, he was still at the top. Mary lost her steam with al the shitastic songs Louis saddled her with. Matt could have suffered a similar fate if Louis had been his mentor.
Louis isn't stupid. He has done the best he can with contestants he has been given imo. And does so every year. The silly songs work for his contestants becuase they wouldn't work without them. If he had a serious contestant like matt for once, I'm sure he would have given him good song choices.
and matt would have won regardless of his mentor imo.
Doubt he cares though tbh, he's sort of paid to be the hapless old guy, and paid very well at that.
didn't he manage two famous boy bands. he can't be that crap. He's just made out to be the joke mentor every year now. becuase the ladies get the best. everyone wants to see the connection cole/tweedy, and Dannii have with their acts.
Going by this year, Louis gave his acts piss poor song choices, especially John Adele. Matt may not have been able to fend off Rebecca in the final if Louis had been his mentor.
Matt won from the moment he did his bootcamp song regardless of age or mentor.
No it isn't. Only Leon and Steve have bettered that.
Shayne fluctuated in the voting and was in third place going into the final. Leona took the lead from four weeks in. Alexandra worked her way up each week. Joe took the lead mid-way through and held it to the end.
I see your proclamation of blind and deaf adulation and raise you "Come Together" and "I Love Rock & Roll".
I take your full flavoured 'all senses in tact' ignorance and hand to you Matt Cardle, XFactor Winner 2010 .... can sing anything thrown at him.:rolleyes: His poorer weeks are still better than the majority of other act's best weeks. Raise me.I will call.
Paije was Dannii's 4th choice. Without Matt in the boys category, Paije would be there.
And Treyc was the obvious choice for the 3rd Over. xD
It's not 'missing the point', its discussing a particular 'what if' scenario
That said, I agree that they mentors might have been shuffled if the Overs had remained at Over 25. An interesting question would have been how they'd have done it. Louis would probably have got saddled with the groups (and perhaps One Direction would have never even been created), Dannii with the Overs, and Simon with the Boys.
If Dannii had got the Overs would she had taken through TreyC and/or Mary? Would Simon have chosen Paije and/or Nicolo from the likely candidates for the Boys (we know he loved Aiden at auditions)?
All pure speculation, of course. But nonetheless interesting to think about what might have happened....
Matt wins anyway, anyhow.