Hollyoaks don't have the right
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In my opinion, Hollyoaks hasn't been a serious show for some time now and I feel offended that they've even dared to 'explore' this storyline. What they've done is call up a couple of charities and asked them a few shallow questions to make their show look like it's raising an important issue when all it's doing is glamorising it like it always done.
My problem here is that they've given no thought whatsoever to character development and they've just thought they can turn an innocent kid into a rapist without going through the appropriate stages that brings a person to that vile act. They've given no thought to where John Paul's character has come from and just thought "Okay well now he's a teacher in a position of power lets have him get raped".
I guess the underlying problem is that I feel Hollyoaks has recently been all shocks and no substance and its one thing to suddenly turn innocent characters into arsonists, murderers and bombers just to get the show publicity and awards, but to stoop so low as to have the story of a teenager raping an adult without any proper on screen development and essentially a ploy just to shock and win awards... its disgusting...
My problem here is that they've given no thought whatsoever to character development and they've just thought they can turn an innocent kid into a rapist without going through the appropriate stages that brings a person to that vile act. They've given no thought to where John Paul's character has come from and just thought "Okay well now he's a teacher in a position of power lets have him get raped".
I guess the underlying problem is that I feel Hollyoaks has recently been all shocks and no substance and its one thing to suddenly turn innocent characters into arsonists, murderers and bombers just to get the show publicity and awards, but to stoop so low as to have the story of a teenager raping an adult without any proper on screen development and essentially a ploy just to shock and win awards... its disgusting...
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Its now an absolute joke soap. Im still reelig from the ridiculousness of Teresa Mcqueen being caught.
And Sonny Valentine now being a copper.
You couldnt make it up
A few years ago these serious storylines would have been handled really well in the show but over the last 6 months the show has gone to the dogs.
You don't hve the right to express your opinion!!
Hollyoaks can do what they want! God all this moaning is starting to get annoying now!!
It's like the writiers have a comeptition to see who can come up with the most bollocks. Its an insult of intelligence and if not already, bordering offensive
Well said.
Well, brace yourself cause you won't be hearing the end of it from until Hollyoaks gets the noose, I've had enough of their codswallop they've drawn the last straw with me and I absolutely have the right to express y opinion if it isn't offending anyone unlike Hollyoaks' bullcrap
sorry meant to say ''these type of storylines''
do they not , why??
its people on DS who keep defending this show, they are stopping it from being fixed.
hollyoaks has been my favourite soap for years, and frankly to say that they/kirkwood are not now taking the piss, would just be pure ignorance.
Unfortunately they just did! I understand exactly what you are saying. When they did the anorexia storyline etc it didn't seem incongruous because they took their time and it bedded in well with the other stories. For example it was partly started because of JP's coming out storyline and his love for Craig.
The idea that Sonny would be able to interview Theresa etc is laughable. I just think they have taken the idea that this is a soap and you can do anything beyond common sense to extremes. By introducing silly plots they immediately devalue serious issues because they have to run alongside the ridiculous.
I honestly believe they should have done the rape storyline in the Later programme which is exactly what it was designed for. They are going to have to be so careful because apparently young people are watching (regardless of whether they should be)and I think any impact will be lost because of this.
Then you are on the wrong forum because this is what DS forum is about, people will express their opinion wherever you like or not and will not be told not too just because you don't agree with it.
No one forces you to click the thread.
Can you please explain the appropriate stages that brings one person to rape another?
The OP said Hollyoaks don't have the right - YES they do! Saying Hollyoaks don't have the right is just like me saying the OP doesn't have te right to express their opinion - see what I'm getting at here! *Roll eyes face*
This!!
The rape wasn't planned by Finn, he didn't start the day saying 'Oh, I'm going to rape JP today'. Finn wanted to humiliate and degrade JP, hitting over the head wasn't enough he wanted to make JP feel pathetic etc.
Thank god someone's speaking sense on here! Agree with every word!
While the set up might have been ham-fisted though, how about not condemning the entire storyline before it's properly had a chance to get going? What it's lacked in the beginning could be made up for in how the rest of it plays out.
Actually the OP has every right to express an opinion. This is a Forum. I agree with the OP too. Too many issue led storylines with not enough thought behind them and too many characters changing character just to facilitate a particular storyline.
Within two weeks back he completely trashed his house to stop his Dad from selling it. He's not been innocent by any stretch of the imagination and the last few weeks have shown how angry and desperate he's been getting with life particularly in JPs direction not to mention how defeated and weak JP has been getting.
There has been zero personality transplant for Finn. He left as a 13 year old father (who didn't have a personality) and has been a little tearaway since theminute he got back.
I partially agree with this the storyline has effectively ran for four years and was over in three days it was very rushed however Sonny being a copper. He was in the show for 9 months and hasn't been in it for 7 years.
It's perfectly reasonable for that drastic change to occur and he was still a manipulative and shady idiot when it came back so he didn't change entirely. Yes he did get arrested when he was younger however he was 16 and unless it's a major major crime the slate is wiped clean at 18.
Exactly, it's been building up for months.
I never said you weren't allowed to express your opinion that's the whole reason I made this thread so people express their opinions and either mine or your opinions according to what's been said...
And as for the first bib I was saying that tptb are using this storyline tactically rather than to raise awareness
Exactly, but its not that simple to just rape someone for the fact of wanting to be more powerful than them. Wanting to be more powerful than someone is a storyline in itself...
... its one thing to spend the whole year being a "little tearaway" but he's not acting differently from any other hooligan his age, in order to progress this storline they needed to show Finn trying and failing at controlling/dominating people then it would have made sense to him resorting to rape, however all he's done is be an asbo teenager like any other and jumped straight to rapist see the incongruence ?
And what would these 'appropriate stages' be?
I think it shows just how ignorant some people are to the subject of rape that they don't believe anyone other than an exceptionally bad person could do it. I know a victim of rape and the person who carried it out would be the last person I would think could do something like that. The fact is not everything in life has a 'build up', actions can be done within the spur of the moment and things aren't always planned in advance despite what some people believe.
And anyway, how do you know what research they've done? It's actually pretty rude to suggest all they've done is "call up a couple of charities and asked them a few shallow questions" when the reality is you have no idea.
Um, excuse me? Violent sexual assault IS only carried out by exceptionally bad people. There's no grey areas. They might not need a build-up in an obvious sense but there are ALWAYS underlying reasons why someone gets to the point where they feel the need to inflict that sort of pain and suffering on another human being.
I mean people seem to think there has to be evidence of previous, to prove they're just a bad person, when actually on the surface someone can come across as a good, honest person yet still carry out vile actions such as rape.