I feel Shinji is either going to have to bide his time on the bench and play better than Rooney when he gets the chances or be more versatile and get better playing on the wing. Footballers should be versatile.
kagawa won't succeed playing on the wing at united unless the system/style of play at united changes to a more narrow possession oriented style. if you are asking kagawa to run up and down the touchline putting crosses in and getting back to help the full back, well he just is not that type of player, he is lightweight and doesn't have the pace to get up and down the touchline like that. kagawa is a bit of a spare part that doesn't really fit anywhere in the united squad, he has 2 players ahead of him in the behind the striker role and i think he'll continue to struggle in a wide role for the above reasons. in my opinion this time next season he'll be back at dortmund...
I wouldn't t personally have Young in the side, I would use Valencia or Zaha ahead of him, and also are you playing Kagawa on the wing in that formation? As that is just not his most natural position.
I would swap him and Rooney around in that line up.
Your obsession with Kagawa is a little silly, as is suggesting that Zaha is already in our top XI.
If Rooney and RVP were fit Kagawa wouldnt be in the first XI and he isnt a first choice winger because he isnt a winger nor a midfielder the way we play.
kagawa won't succeed playing on the wing at united unless the system/style of play at united changes to a more narrow possession oriented style. if you are asking kagawa to run up and down the touchline putting crosses in and getting back to help the full back, well he just is not that type of player, he is lightweight and doesn't have the pace to get up and down the touchline like that. kagawa is a bit of a spare part that doesn't really fit anywhere in the united squad, he has 2 players ahead of him in the behind the striker role and i think he'll continue to struggle in a wide role for the above reasons. in my opinion this time next season he'll be back at dortmund...
I would agree. The more i think about it I have my doubts about him playing behind one striker as well. Im not sure what SAFs plan was for him but i suspect it was blown out of the water when he realised he could get RVP. Shame as he looked absolute class at Dortmund. The player in a red shirt last season we could take or leave.
I would agree. The more i think about it I have my doubts about him playing behind one striker as well. Im not sure what SAFs plan was for him but i suspect it was blown out of the water when he realised he could get RVP. Shame as he looked absolute class at Dortmund. The player in a red shirt last season we could take or leave.
yep, sir alex did say after we signed rvp that he didn't think we would get him, perhaps the plan was to play kagawa behind rooney, then rvp joined and kagawa became the spare part. i loved watching kagawa at dortmund, if he doesn't establish himself at united then i hope he goes back there, klopp said recently that he would take him back...
I wouldn't t personally have Young in the side, I would use Valencia or Zaha ahead of him, and also are you playing Kagawa on the wing in that formation? As that is just not his most natural position.
I would swap him and Rooney around in that line up.
you would swap kagawa from the wing because its not his most natural position but move rooney there instead?
The rooney that always performs miles better when played in his natural position......as a forward?
yep, sir alex did say after we signed rvp that he didn't think we would get him, perhaps the plan was to play kagawa behind rooney, then rvp joined and kagawa became the spare part. i loved watching kagawa at dortmund, if he doesn't establish himself at united then i hope he goes back there, klopp said recently that he would take him back...
Now you mention it I think you might be onto something with Kagawa & RVP. I think you're also right about him heading back to Dortmund if he doesn't establish himself this season. Neither he or Rooney or wingers either.
ive said all along that the plan was kagawa behind rooney. But then rvp becomes available and you cant not go for him. Unfortunately it threw out the plans for kagawa
Now you mention it I think you might be onto something with Kagawa & RVP. I think you're also right about him heading back to Dortmund if he doesn't establish himself this season. Neither he or Rooney or wingers either.
ive said all along that the plan was kagawa behind rooney. But then rvp becomes available and you cant not go for him. Unfortunately it threw out the plans for kagawa
Yeah we've had the discussion a couple of times and i think thats probably the way it was. Kagawa deserves a fair chance to prove himself in his natural position which i feel is probably AM with more than one player ahead of him, but off the striker also as a more realistic possibility given how we tend to play.
There is no way that as things stands with our first team squad he can really be in our first choice XI based on his performances for us so far.
The "excuse" for paying what we did for Fellaini is that we were bidding for both him and Baines as we had a better chance of doing a double deal.
Makes sense.
If we signed one, then the money Everton got could have been used to rebuff the bid for the other. Makes sense. You bid for both at the same time and it solves the problem. Great.
However where it falls down is when you then ask why the bid for both was half a million quid short of what you ended up paying for one. If you are prepared to go to £27.5m for Fellaini on what planet do you think £28m gets both?
The opening bid on that basis should have been £40m-£42m if the aim was to ACTUALLY sign both.
I can't see Palace putting up much of a fight, though they'll turn a good few sides over at Selhurst this year.
5-0.
Oh I hope so, my son has just left home to go to University up there, as a present for doing so well in his A-levels we got him a season ticket.
Tomorrow will be his first home game so it would be fab if a few goals go in and make it memorable for him
Oh I hope so, my son has just left home to go to University up there, as a present for doing so well in his A-levels we got him a season ticket.
Tomorrow will be his first home game so it would be fab if a few goals go in and make it memorable for him
Discounting the fact that im over 30, any chance you could adopt me?
Discounting the fact that im over 30, any chance you could adopt me?
Funny you should say that, I had a similar response from the ticket office guy when I purchased it - only he offered to come and do my ironing in return
Funny you should say that, I had a similar response from the ticket office guy when I purchased it - only he offered to come and do my ironing in return
I couldnt possibly get involved in a bidding war, who knows what services could be offered!
Its just such a great thing to give someone going to Uni! Absolutely no practical relevance to his course but i bet its the best gift he will EVER get! Well played.
Would free carrick up to be more creative at least
Im hoping there is some plan here. It would make sense if we could have a scenario where there is a way of playing Fellaini, allowing Carrick to play and have Kagawa in his proper role.
I cant pretend im convinced that there is blueprint somewhere in Moyes Towers for these players though.
I couldnt possibly get involved in a bidding war, who knows what services could be offered!
Its just such a great thing to give someone going to Uni! Absolutely no practical relevance to his course but i bet its the best gift he will EVER get! Well played.
Well he is doing a degree in Sports Science - so maybe it's got some relevance to his course
He's so excited about it - but he knows nobody up there, I hope he has a seat next to someone vaguely friendly.
I'm originally from Manchester but have lived down south for 20 odd years, as a youngster I used to go to as many home games as I could so it's nice to be able to give my son the opportunity now.
Providing he carries on doing well with his studies we've agreed to buy his season ticket all through Uni - hopefully the carrot and stick approach will be successful
Well he is doing a degree in Sports Science - so maybe it's got some relevance to his course
He's so excited about it - but he knows nobody up there, I hope he has a seat next to someone vaguely friendly.
I'm originally from Manchester but have lived down south for 20 odd years, as a youngster I used to go to as many home games as I could so it's nice to be able to give my son the opportunity now.
Providing he carries on doing well with his studies we've agreed to buy his season ticket all through Uni - hopefully the carrot and stick approach will be successful
Sounds great. Personally my folks we always similar to you when i was in school etc and it worked. "You've done well, you deserve this....".
ive said all along that the plan was kagawa behind rooney. But then rvp becomes available and you cant not go for him. Unfortunately it threw out the plans for kagawa
But that's no excuse really.
If you had two Rooneys in the team you wouldn't only play one on the basis of having RVP. Given how absolutely special our wingers have been for the last year I cannot understand why we persist with playing two of the gits all the time.
IMO it should be
De Gea
Rafael - Vidic - Ferdinand - Evra
Carrick - Fellaini
Young - Rooney - Kagawa
RVP
Sounds great. Personally my folks we always similar to you when i was in school etc and it worked. "You've done well, you deserve this....".
Bottom line its a really cool gift!
I hope you are right, and it does work - but then where sport is concerned, (especially football) he doesn't need much encouragement to do well because he loves it.
He's already an FA level 2 qualified coach and he's working on other FA badges. His career aim is to go into coaching or possibly if he's good enough management at some future stage.
Once he's settled in he's going to look for a local to Manchester team (obviously he won't be applying to Old Trafford just yet ) who will take him on as a volunteer.
It all seems such a bear pit though that I do worry how he'll get on.
I hope you are right, and it does work - but then where sport is concerned, (especially football) he doesn't need much encouragement to do well because he loves it.
He's already an FA level 2 qualified coach and he's working on other FA badges. His career aim is to go into coaching or possibly if he's good enough management at some future stage.
Once he's settled in he's going to look for a local to Manchester team (obviously he won't be applying to Old Trafford just yet ) who will take him on as a volunteer.
It all seems such a bear pit though that I do worry how he'll get on.
You gotta be in it to win it as they say.
Mourinho was Bobby Robsons translator, he didnt do too bad......
If you had two Rooneys in the team you wouldn't only play one on the basis of having RVP. Given how absolutely special our wingers have been for the last year I cannot understand why we persist with playing two of the gits all the time.
IMO it should be
De Gea
Rafael - Vidic - Ferdinand - Evra
Carrick - Fellaini
Young - Rooney - Kagawa
RVP
Young Rooney and Kagawa need to be totally interchangeable and fluid.
Both Rooney and Kagawa know that they arent wingers and Young needs to know that he is most effective coming off the wing.
Could be epic but im not convinced we will see it.
Young Rooney and Kagawa need to be totally interchangeable and fluid.
Both Rooney and Kagawa know that they arent wingers and Young needs to know that he is most effective coming off the wing.
Could be epic but im not convinced we will see it.
I think we should forget the word 'wingers' for a bit altogether. I'm sure once upon a time players could play wide but not be 'wingers'. We need to recapture this time.
I think each of Young, Kagawa and Rooney are positionally interchangeable in the formation. Nani should be, but we know isn't. Zaha one day might be. The width down the flanks would be provided by the full-backs - as it is now -with the AM MF3 playing more centrally but with obviously one or more at any time being closer to the touchline than the others to provide width if need be. But if you ask me the pinnacle is tight, controlled, narrow passing.
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kagawa won't succeed playing on the wing at united unless the system/style of play at united changes to a more narrow possession oriented style. if you are asking kagawa to run up and down the touchline putting crosses in and getting back to help the full back, well he just is not that type of player, he is lightweight and doesn't have the pace to get up and down the touchline like that. kagawa is a bit of a spare part that doesn't really fit anywhere in the united squad, he has 2 players ahead of him in the behind the striker role and i think he'll continue to struggle in a wide role for the above reasons. in my opinion this time next season he'll be back at dortmund...
Your obsession with Kagawa is a little silly, as is suggesting that Zaha is already in our top XI.
If Rooney and RVP were fit Kagawa wouldnt be in the first XI and he isnt a first choice winger because he isnt a winger nor a midfielder the way we play.
I would agree. The more i think about it I have my doubts about him playing behind one striker as well. Im not sure what SAFs plan was for him but i suspect it was blown out of the water when he realised he could get RVP. Shame as he looked absolute class at Dortmund. The player in a red shirt last season we could take or leave.
yep, sir alex did say after we signed rvp that he didn't think we would get him, perhaps the plan was to play kagawa behind rooney, then rvp joined and kagawa became the spare part. i loved watching kagawa at dortmund, if he doesn't establish himself at united then i hope he goes back there, klopp said recently that he would take him back...
you would swap kagawa from the wing because its not his most natural position but move rooney there instead?
The rooney that always performs miles better when played in his natural position......as a forward?
Now you mention it I think you might be onto something with Kagawa & RVP. I think you're also right about him heading back to Dortmund if he doesn't establish himself this season. Neither he or Rooney or wingers either.
Yeah we've had the discussion a couple of times and i think thats probably the way it was. Kagawa deserves a fair chance to prove himself in his natural position which i feel is probably AM with more than one player ahead of him, but off the striker also as a more realistic possibility given how we tend to play.
There is no way that as things stands with our first team squad he can really be in our first choice XI based on his performances for us so far.
The "excuse" for paying what we did for Fellaini is that we were bidding for both him and Baines as we had a better chance of doing a double deal.
Makes sense.
If we signed one, then the money Everton got could have been used to rebuff the bid for the other. Makes sense. You bid for both at the same time and it solves the problem. Great.
However where it falls down is when you then ask why the bid for both was half a million quid short of what you ended up paying for one. If you are prepared to go to £27.5m for Fellaini on what planet do you think £28m gets both?
The opening bid on that basis should have been £40m-£42m if the aim was to ACTUALLY sign both.
Stop talking bollocks Moyes, we arent stupid.
I can't see Palace putting up much of a fight, though they'll turn a good few sides over at Selhurst this year.
5-0.
Oh I hope so, my son has just left home to go to University up there, as a present for doing so well in his A-levels we got him a season ticket.
Tomorrow will be his first home game so it would be fab if a few goals go in and make it memorable for him
Discounting the fact that im over 30, any chance you could adopt me?
Funny you should say that, I had a similar response from the ticket office guy when I purchased it - only he offered to come and do my ironing in return
Fellaini wants to emulate keane
Would free carrick up to be more creative at least
I couldnt possibly get involved in a bidding war, who knows what services could be offered!
Its just such a great thing to give someone going to Uni! Absolutely no practical relevance to his course but i bet its the best gift he will EVER get! Well played.
Im hoping there is some plan here. It would make sense if we could have a scenario where there is a way of playing Fellaini, allowing Carrick to play and have Kagawa in his proper role.
I cant pretend im convinced that there is blueprint somewhere in Moyes Towers for these players though.
Well he is doing a degree in Sports Science - so maybe it's got some relevance to his course
He's so excited about it - but he knows nobody up there, I hope he has a seat next to someone vaguely friendly.
I'm originally from Manchester but have lived down south for 20 odd years, as a youngster I used to go to as many home games as I could so it's nice to be able to give my son the opportunity now.
Providing he carries on doing well with his studies we've agreed to buy his season ticket all through Uni - hopefully the carrot and stick approach will be successful
Sounds great. Personally my folks we always similar to you when i was in school etc and it worked. "You've done well, you deserve this....".
Bottom line its a really cool gift!
But that's no excuse really.
If you had two Rooneys in the team you wouldn't only play one on the basis of having RVP. Given how absolutely special our wingers have been for the last year I cannot understand why we persist with playing two of the gits all the time.
IMO it should be
Rafael - Vidic - Ferdinand - Evra
Carrick - Fellaini
Young - Rooney - Kagawa
RVP
I hope you are right, and it does work - but then where sport is concerned, (especially football) he doesn't need much encouragement to do well because he loves it.
He's already an FA level 2 qualified coach and he's working on other FA badges. His career aim is to go into coaching or possibly if he's good enough management at some future stage.
Once he's settled in he's going to look for a local to Manchester team (obviously he won't be applying to Old Trafford just yet
It all seems such a bear pit though that I do worry how he'll get on.
You gotta be in it to win it as they say.
Mourinho was Bobby Robsons translator, he didnt do too bad......
All the best to him
Young Rooney and Kagawa need to be totally interchangeable and fluid.
Both Rooney and Kagawa know that they arent wingers and Young needs to know that he is most effective coming off the wing.
Could be epic but im not convinced we will see it.
I think we should forget the word 'wingers' for a bit altogether. I'm sure once upon a time players could play wide but not be 'wingers'. We need to recapture this time.
I think each of Young, Kagawa and Rooney are positionally interchangeable in the formation. Nani should be, but we know isn't. Zaha one day might be. The width down the flanks would be provided by the full-backs - as it is now -with the AM MF3 playing more centrally but with obviously one or more at any time being closer to the touchline than the others to provide width if need be. But if you ask me the pinnacle is tight, controlled, narrow passing.