I wonder if Match of The Day could top the ratings tonight with it being the first of the new season. Can't see anything except Casualty making an attempt at passing 4million.
................its already fascinating after just one result! Its a huge story over 9 months or so and the BBC can follow the story of all domestic football too this time.
Hmm possibly. that means Itv wouldnt air Granchester on Mondays after Cilla,then.
Mark my words, Tumble will remain steady today in the ratings*. It was very well received in the non DS social media.
[* not lose anymore than 0.5m]
Well it hasn't got all that far to fall if we are being honest, the initial figure was so bad. If it loses half a million its worse than last nights One Show.
I think its the same apparatus as last week(someone suggested last week) which is not doing it any favours at all.
EDIT: it isn't worse than One Show-for some reason I thought that was 2.8 million-my oh my it was bad for OS!
Hmm possibly. that means Itv wouldnt air Granchester on Mondays after Cilla,then.
Mark my words, Tumble will remain steady today in the ratings*. It was very well received in the non DS social media.
[* not lose anymore than 0.5m]
Wasn't it going to grow and grow in your earlier predictions?
And for a show with barely over 3m viewers, losing half a million of them is by no means "steady". It's a damaging drop for a show with no room to fall.
Splash got terrible reviews and held up so who knows what will happen. Tumble's first episode was better than the launch of Splash. But there seems to have been far less interest this week for Tumble than Splash got after its launch (albeit that interest wasn't particularly positive).
Yes, I ignored the comment about DA's dwindling ratings. Even TA is aired against it, the DA overnights, while possibly slightly lower, will still give it the biggest drama overnights of the year. Unless DW surprises everyone!
Excellent points kittenkong42. I would add that we still don't know how well the athletics did on BBC Two, other than it was a "bumper night" as per DS. The level of bumper-ness remains unclear. According to Radio Times the men's 200m final was due at 19:25 (GB's Adam Gemili won gold with a time under 20 seconds).
To correct the Radio Times, the 200m Final was at 8:50pm
Seems to be on the decline now. A good time for the BBC to stick something more ratings potent against it instead of historical niche documentaries and throwaway filler drama. As we see every Xmas, DA cant cope against stronger competition as well, so showing the Apprentice against it will be a good idea.
Great scheduling by BBC Two later on, retaining all but 200k of An Extra Slice's audience for the following show about sweets.
It's a shame they haven't scheduled it that way every week, instead Sweets Made Simple is on at 8.30pm and Gardener's World is on 9.30pm (despite its regular slot being 8.30pm.)
Seems to be on the decline now. A good time for the BBC to stick something more ratings potent against it instead of historical niche documentaries and throwaway filler drama. As we see every Xmas, DA cant cope against stronger competition as well, so showing the Apprentice against it will be a good idea.
The BBC will be able to accelerate that decline showing the Apprentice up against it. Dont forget DA declined last year despite facing very weak competition such as that Richard Hammond program. In years before-hand it had got those kind of figures partly against dramas such as Inspector George Gently. Now, if the Beeb can air The Apprentice against it, T.A. will rate around 5-6million which would be 2-3m more than last year against DA. That will ensure the BBC accelerate its decline and reduce its strangehold in the slot.
As you can see by the BBC's scheduling for this Autumn, they are on the attack. They are being very offensive, airing big returning shows in typically strong Itv slots. I would not be surprised if they do the same thing with Apprentice. The BBC knows that there are very few slots which Itv actually exceed in, so if they attack them, it will dampen Itv's figures for their big shows. And the poor rating slots will continue to rate poorly on Itv anyways. So it is a good tactic.
The BBC will be able to accelerate that decline showing the Apprentice up against it. Dont forget DA declined last year despite facing very weak competition such as that Richard Hammond program. In years before-hand it had got those kind of figures partly against dramas such as Inspector George Gently. Now, if the Beeb can air The Apprentice against it, T.A. will rate around 5-6million which would be 2-3m more than last year against DA. That will ensure the BBC accelerate its decline and reduce its strangehold in the slot.
Come on mate play the game. Why would the BBC even be remotely interested in accelerating a decline of a show that is on the other side? It's only 8 weeks out of a 52 week year that DA causes a problem.
Come on mate play the game. Why would the BBC even be remotely interested in accelerating a decline of a show that is on the other side? It's only 8 weeks out of a 52 week year that DA causes a problem.
Downton Abbey is a big problem for the BBC. They cant launch any decent Sunday 9pm dramas in the prime Sunday 9pm slot due to how powerful DA is in the ratings, especially among the core drama OAP audience. Chipping away at DA's audience this year by scheduling the Apprentice will help reduce the audience of DA and make it easier in future years for the BBC to attempt to launch drama in that Autumn Sunday 9pm slot. Think of it like a game of chess - sacrifice the ratings of the Apprentice (which will be all but gone in a couple years anyway) to decrease DA's figures, which in the long term will help the BBC launch dramas in that slot in a few years.
To be a very successful channel like BBC One, the people running it think very tactically. Sacrificing certain shows in certain slots and denting rivals' programmes, for the good of the Beeb in the long-term.
The Doctor Who fans on the Doctor Who Forum think the first episode will overnight over 8million viewers. I doubt it but I think with the new Doctor and huge publicity, DW's overnights will be better than Merlin's in that slot, especially with the SCD lead-in. It'll certainly be better than Atlantis' ratings last year so definitely tougher competition for XF year on year!
Impossible to say if the fact an unfinished copy of the DW ep has been online for 2 months hurts it or helps it in ratings terms.
D.M.N., do you please have the official ratings for the Scottish independence debate on STV on 5 August, as well as Love Your Garden and Kids Behind Bars, which were showing on most of the rest of the ITV network at the same time?
If Tumble was on ITV, people would delight in its ratings failure and refer to it as celeb based rubbish, but as it's on BBC One, it seems to be excused. Fact is it's a not very good show and ratings are low.
I'm only an occasional follower of the ratings and haven't really posted much on the threads but I'll never understand why some people want to dedicate their time to shilling and spinning for either BBC or ITV.
Downton Abbey is a big problem for the BBC. They cant launch any decent Sunday 9pm dramas in the prime Sunday 9pm slot due to how powerful DA is in the ratings, especially among the core drama OAP audience. Chipping away at DA's audience this year by scheduling the Apprentice will help reduce the audience of DA and make it easier in future years for the BBC to attempt to launch drama in that Autumn Sunday 9pm slot. Think of it like a game of chess - sacrifice the ratings of the Apprentice (which will be all but gone in a couple years anyway) to decrease DA's figures, which in the long term will help the BBC launch dramas in that slot in a few years.
To be a very successful channel like BBC One, the people running it think very tactically. Sacrificing certain shows in certain slots and denting rivals' programmes, for the good of the Beeb in the long-term.
Samuel, I'm not five years old! No need to type a post as if I am. Please bear that in mind otherwise I'll be inclined to call you Sammy! ;-)
There's absolutely no hype surrounding CBB this year at all... I'm a big fan and I've barely caught anything regarding rumored line ups or names attached to the show. I think 5 could be in for a bit of a shock this year.
Voila! Every Downton Abbey rating including overnight, share and official all including +1. The averages exclude the Christmas episodes.
[U]Series 1[/U] [U]Overnight[/U] [U]Share[/U] [U]Official[/U]
Episode 1 (26 September 2010) 7.69m 30.1% 9.24m
Episode 2 (03 October 2010) 8.78m 33.1% 9.97m
Episode 3 (10 October 2010) 8.30m 31.4% 8.97m
Episode 4 (17 October 2010) 9.05m 33.3% 9.70m
Episode 5 (24 October 2010) 8.66m 32.6% 9.40m
Episode 6 (31 October 2010) 9.02m 33.3% 9.84m
Episode 7 (07 November 2010) 9.94m 37.1% 10.77m
[B]Average 8.78m 33.0% 9.70m[/B]
[U]Series 2[/U] [U]Overnight[/U] [U]Share[/U] [U]Official[/U]
Episode 1 (18 September 2011) 8.90m/9.20m 31.6%/33.4% 10.94m/11.42m
Episode 2 (25 September 2011) 9.08m/9.50m 34.2%/36.7% 11.17m/11.77m
Episode 3 (02 October 2011) 8.73m/9.08m 34.1%/36.3% 10.80m/11.33m
Episode 4 (09 October 2011) 8.77m/9.18m 33.1%/35.6% 10.69m/11.30m
Episode 5 (16 October 2011) 8.97m/9.25m 33.7%/35.4% 11.11m/11.60m
Episode 6 (23 October 2011) 8.87m/9.19m 32.6%/34.4% 10.83m/11.33m
Episode 7 (30 October 2011) 9.71m/9.95m 36.5%/37.9% 11.88m/12.26m
Episode 8 (06 November 2011) 10.46m/10.65m 41.5%/42.5% 12.15m/12.45m
Special (25 December 2011) 8.13m/8.56m 29.4%/31.4% 11.59m/12.10m
[B]Average 9.19m/9.50m 34.7%/36.5% 11.24m/11.68m[/B]
[U]Series 3[/U] [U]Overnight[/U] [U]Share[/U] [U]Official[/U]
Episode 1 (16 September 2012) 8.64m/9.02m 34.6%/37.0% 10.88m/11.42m
Episode 2 (23 September 2012) 9.73m/10.01m 36.8%/38.4% 11.68m/12.08m
Episode 3 (30 September 2012) 9.66m/9.99m 36.9%/38.7% 11.52m/11.96m
Episode 4 (07 October 2012) 9.29m/9.61m 35.6%/37.4% 11.34m/11.84m
Episode 5 (14 October 2012) 9.46m/9.71m 36.3%/37.3% 11.48m/11.94m
Episode 6 (21 October 2012) 9.69m/10.06m 36.6%/38.7% 11.63m/12.05m
Episode 7 (28 October 2012) 9.24m/9.52m 35.7%/37.2% 11.38m/11.83m
Episode 8 (04 November 2012) 9.84m/10.08m 38.2%/39.6% 11.76m/12.15m
Special (25 December 2012) 6.83m/7.32m 25.9%/28.2% 9.69m/10.28m
[B]Average 9.44m/9.75m 36.3%/38.0% 11.46m/11.91m[/B]
[U]Series 4[/U] [U]Overnight[/U] [U]Share[/U] [U]Official[/U]
Episode 1 (22 September 2013) 9.12m/9.51m 38.0%/40.4% 11.46m/11.94m
Episode 2 (29 September 2013) 9.23m/9.62m 37.8%/40.3% 11.56m/12.11m
Episode 3 (06 October 2013) 8.82m/9.21m 36.0%/38.4% 11.29m/11.87m
Episode 4 (13 October 2013) 8.92m/9.34m 35.5%/38.1% 11.14m/11.75m
Episode 5 (20 October 2013) 8.86m/9.23m 34.9%/37.2% 10.86m/11.39m
Episode 6 (27 October 2013) 8.68m/9.23m 35.0%/38.4% 10.86m/11.53m
Episode 7 (03 November 2013) 9.49m/9.80m 36.7%/37.4% 11.45m/11.92m
Episode 8 (10 November 2013) 9.64m/9.98m 38.9%/41.0% 11.70m/12.16m
Special (25 December 2013) 6.59m/7.01m 25.3%/27.3% 8.95m/9.41m
[B]Average 9.10m/9.21m 35.3%/37.6% 11.29m/11.83m[/B]
Averages (brackets include the Christmas episodes exc/inc +1)
Series 1 (2010) 8.78m
Series 2 (2011) 9.19m/9.50m (9.07m/9.40m)
Series 3 (2012) 9.44m/9.75m (9.15m/9.48m)
Series 4 (2013) 9.10m/9.21m (8.82m/9.21m)
For a show to consistently average 8-9 million in overnights and then consolidate to 10-12 million is a resounding success. It doesn't matter WHAT SODDING CHANNEL IT IS ON FOR GOD'S SAKE.
There's absolutely no hype surrounding CBB this year at all... I'm a big fan and I've barely caught anything regarding rumored line ups or names attached to the show. I think 5 could be in for a bit of a shock this year.
It has been promoted but are purposely not confirming names, that's probably why.
either way I doubt any series will match cbb in January.
If Tumble was on ITV, people would delight in its ratings failure and refer to it as celeb based rubbish, but as it's on BBC One, it seems to be excused. Fact is it's a not very good show and ratings are low.
People were taking delight in Tumble's failure though, not the same people who would have if it was on ITV (but that's just part of the hypocrisy of this thread) but there were many posts mocking it and gloating afterwards.
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................its already fascinating after just one result! Its a huge story over 9 months or so and the BBC can follow the story of all domestic football too this time.
Well it hasn't got all that far to fall if we are being honest, the initial figure was so bad. If it loses half a million its worse than last nights One Show.
I think its the same apparatus as last week(someone suggested last week) which is not doing it any favours at all.
EDIT: it isn't worse than One Show-for some reason I thought that was 2.8 million-my oh my it was bad for OS!
Wasn't it going to grow and grow in your earlier predictions?
And for a show with barely over 3m viewers, losing half a million of them is by no means "steady". It's a damaging drop for a show with no room to fall.
Splash got terrible reviews and held up so who knows what will happen. Tumble's first episode was better than the launch of Splash. But there seems to have been far less interest this week for Tumble than Splash got after its launch (albeit that interest wasn't particularly positive).
El Salv-what do you think CBB launch will get roughly?
My prediction was it'll remain steady the first few weeks but then grow when it follows the Strictly Come Dancing Launch episode.
Downton Abbey - Consolidated Series Averages
2010 - 9.70m (32.5%)
2011 - 11.68m (38.3%)
2012 - 11.91m (39.4%)
2013 - 11.83m (39.9%)
Includes +1, excludes Christmas Specials
Yes, I ignored the comment about DA's dwindling ratings. Even TA is aired against it, the DA overnights, while possibly slightly lower, will still give it the biggest drama overnights of the year. Unless DW surprises everyone!
To correct the Radio Times, the 200m Final was at 8:50pm
Has it been mentioned? That was just a prediction. Hope the actual figure is released.
And I'm not sure, they are advertising on Comedy Central and MTV which is good but people may be exhausted after this series. I go for 2.3m.
It was the women's 200m final at 19:25, with Jodie Williams getting silver.
It's a shame they haven't scheduled it that way every week, instead Sweets Made Simple is on at 8.30pm and Gardener's World is on 9.30pm (despite its regular slot being 8.30pm.)
It declined less than 1 percent.
As you can see by the BBC's scheduling for this Autumn, they are on the attack. They are being very offensive, airing big returning shows in typically strong Itv slots. I would not be surprised if they do the same thing with Apprentice. The BBC knows that there are very few slots which Itv actually exceed in, so if they attack them, it will dampen Itv's figures for their big shows. And the poor rating slots will continue to rate poorly on Itv anyways. So it is a good tactic.
But was up on 2011.
Come on mate play the game. Why would the BBC even be remotely interested in accelerating a decline of a show that is on the other side? It's only 8 weeks out of a 52 week year that DA causes a problem.
To be a very successful channel like BBC One, the people running it think very tactically. Sacrificing certain shows in certain slots and denting rivals' programmes, for the good of the Beeb in the long-term.
Impossible to say if the fact an unfinished copy of the DW ep has been online for 2 months hurts it or helps it in ratings terms.
Samuel, I'm not five years old! No need to type a post as if I am. Please bear that in mind otherwise I'll be inclined to call you Sammy! ;-)
For a show to consistently average 8-9 million in overnights and then consolidate to 10-12 million is a resounding success. It doesn't matter WHAT SODDING CHANNEL IT IS ON FOR GOD'S SAKE.
It has been promoted but are purposely not confirming names, that's probably why.
either way I doubt any series will match cbb in January.
People were taking delight in Tumble's failure though, not the same people who would have if it was on ITV (but that's just part of the hypocrisy of this thread) but there were many posts mocking it and gloating afterwards.