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Prisons ! Why so many there.
flashgordon1952
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yes a very good question indeed and as a tax payer we have the right to know.
1. more than half of all prisoners have a drink or drug problem!
in fact the actual percentage is probabaly higher (i am a prison visitor) stop more drugs from entering by boostering our defences here ( customs) and not cutting down there numbers .which the current govt is doing.
2. what can be done to change the system we currently have.
well thats a very good question . my view is that instead of putting people in prison (minor offences) they should be put to work on community projects. ie keeping the hedgerows clear and general labouring. this would actually save money for local councils and so the poll tax payer gets charged less.
3.with the fact that a huge percentage of crimes are from drug or drink related offences , there are ways of limiting the amount of crimes by simply . hit the pockets of those who sell drugs . what they are doing now (the authorities) is not working.. and more needs to be done. zero toloerance to drug dealers is needed. give those arrested real hard labour. not treat them as kings so when they get out of prison they simply do it again.
4. some criminal records should not be for life. yes its always easier to do this but remember they are more like;ly to go back to there old ways simply because they cannot get a job.. because of there record.. maybe 5 years or low offences .
but life on very dangerous criminals.
Its very easy to give criminals life criminal records. but the system we have now does not work
1. more than half of all prisoners have a drink or drug problem!
in fact the actual percentage is probabaly higher (i am a prison visitor) stop more drugs from entering by boostering our defences here ( customs) and not cutting down there numbers .which the current govt is doing.
2. what can be done to change the system we currently have.
well thats a very good question . my view is that instead of putting people in prison (minor offences) they should be put to work on community projects. ie keeping the hedgerows clear and general labouring. this would actually save money for local councils and so the poll tax payer gets charged less.
3.with the fact that a huge percentage of crimes are from drug or drink related offences , there are ways of limiting the amount of crimes by simply . hit the pockets of those who sell drugs . what they are doing now (the authorities) is not working.. and more needs to be done. zero toloerance to drug dealers is needed. give those arrested real hard labour. not treat them as kings so when they get out of prison they simply do it again.
4. some criminal records should not be for life. yes its always easier to do this but remember they are more like;ly to go back to there old ways simply because they cannot get a job.. because of there record.. maybe 5 years or low offences .
but life on very dangerous criminals.
Its very easy to give criminals life criminal records. but the system we have now does not work
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That is the mosty frightening part of your post given what you said in the rest of it.
The majority of drug related crimes are acquisitive offences committed by people who use drugs rather than those who sell them so I don't see your point here.
Criminals.
Next!!
This figure has grown over the past few years, as the UK has lost control of it's borders, therefore increasing the Prison population.
If we changed the methodology of paying for inmates accommodation, food, facilities etc (and the building projects too) we could give quite a large tax relief to tax payers through out the country.
What work could they do?
To begin with I would make every prison a recycling centre for all teh refuse that presently doesn't passs through a recycling centre. Many millions of tons of waste is sent to land fill every year when it could be processed to extract a high percentage of it into the recycling system (If I had been able to do this when the recycling thing started housholders would have been able to continue using the old system of throw everything into one big bin and it would have saved every local authority millions on new refuse (recycling) lorries and equipment.)
there are probably other jobs in the uk that could be done by inmates rather than unskilled labourers from other countries.
I know this alone would not make prisons self supporting but it would be a start.
Currently there are prisoners languishing in their cells with no work to do because there are not enough prison officers to supervise them.
Too many prisoners are given custodial sentences for minor offences - this must change.
This is information worth boostering over to the relevant authorities. They probably haven't thought of it.
...or average jail sentences are longer or those convicted of crimes are more likely to receive a custodial sentence.
call it i dunno, the running man?
id watch it
Personally I have no sympathy for criminals and feel that we do not owe them opportunities, well paid jobs, etc. Society should be aware of the potential threat these people pose, cautious of them and if people want to they can feel resentful towards them and discriminate against them as far as providing them with opportunities. The criminal is the person who has done wrong. Forgiveness is not a right. The onus is on them to redeem themselves, not on society to forgive and forget.
For those with criminal records that can never be spent, I would be harsher not more lenient. I would reduce their benefit entitlements to hardship payment levels. To act as a deterrent, and as a sign that their crimes will never be forgiven or forgotten by society. They have broken the social contract beyond repair. If they turn to society to support them via benefits let them live meager lives.
The only downside is that you can still get Sky TV there.... :rolleyes:
Change must come. I don't know what the expenditure for prisons is in this country but it must be massive. surely there must be ways to reduce this cost. or make the prisons contribute something to the society around them.
A lot of people don't care about the rehabilitation aspect of prison work, and sadly, without it, people are going to go back to prison over and again. If you have people who have no moral compass at all - and that's not that uncommon, surely a system that rewards good behaviour - will teach an inmate that if they behave, good will flow from it. .
Sadly, there's a rightwing bonehead tendency who want to make prison as unpleasant as possible, like in the States. And we can see just how successful that has been in the US in dealing with crime.
Whether it works or not to these people is irrelevant though, they just want some form of biblical retribution
Hmmm, another problem here is the ready availability of a market for stolen goods. I saw an excellent programme a while ago where a variety of crims said they wouldn't burgle if they didn't have a friend at "Crack Converters" (as it is termed in Hackney, apparentlty) or local contact who would pay them out. *If* we tackled that end of things, we'd prevent a whole welter of crime, but that's far too complex, and there's circumstantial evidence that, in some areas at least, senior police are being bribed/encouraged/threatened to look the other way.
...or they've decided that it's too much like hard work and would be electorally unpopular, so why bother?
that is just my point. get the '*******' working and paying for their keep.
I for one would rather see Prisons costing more in teh short term if it meant that eventually they could contribute something to society. Sorting refuse seems like a suitable punishment for the criminals that reside inside the prisons of teh United Kingdom. What about their human rights I hear you say! Man (Woman) has a RIGHT TO WORK! That about covers that problem!
Crimes! T'buggers keep committing them.