I was going to make the same point. How exactly is this special?
Based on the last round they'll probably interview the same people 12 times and hope the viewing public forget. Moving on to tonight's draw, I was quiet impressed with the coverage, it's a massive step up from watching a group of kids and parents who looked to have no interest at all than fans coming at their own freewill (plus I hate screaming kids pulling faces).
BBC2 will be pretty disappointed with last Friday's live game. It took an audience of just 1.7 million, down by >30% on the same date the previous year when they had Mastermind with 2.2 million and Gardeners' World with 2.4 million.
I don't think they'll be disappointed. Those two programmes rate OK (and Mastermind was on anyway, at 7pm, so they were presumably up year on year in that slot) but over the two and a half hours there are wild fluctuations and the 9pm hour often rates quite poorly, so the average over the two and a half hours would be much the same. And it rated better than it would on Sunday lunchtime.
Speaking as a local it's a massive stretch to call Hartlepool v Blyth a derby
There's no history or animosity between the sides at all
They are 42 miles apart and in different regions (Teesside vs Northumberland)
Yes ... they will jump on any bandwagon.
The good folk at Blyth don't really have any animosity towards opposing teams (I follow one of their most local of "rivals" and can quite easily turn up in my own colours!!
And it's as much a local derby as, say, Chelsea vs Reading or Watford, with corresponding differences in both distance and league levels.
The good folk at Blyth don't really have any animosity towards opposing teams (I follow one of their most local of "rivals" and can quite easily turn up in my own colours!!
And it's as much a local derby as, say, Chelsea vs Reading or Watford, with corresponding differences in both distance and league levels.
But it's all up North, so what do the BBC care?
How is 42 miles not a derby? That's pretty local. In Devon the major rivalry is Exeter and Plymouth which are 45 miles apart, so 42 miles most certainly makes a derby same with the South East fixtures above, these are all London/Home County derbies.
The good folk at Blyth don't really have any animosity towards opposing teams (I follow one of their most local of "rivals" and can quite easily turn up in my own colours!!
And it's as much a local derby as, say, Chelsea vs Reading or Watford, with corresponding differences in both distance and league levels.
But it's all up North, so what do the BBC care?
Not sure I understand what you are getting at with that last comment
How is 42 miles not a derby? That's pretty local. In Devon the major rivalry is Exeter and Plymouth which are 45 miles apart, so 42 miles most certainly makes a derby same with the South East fixtures above, these are all London/Home County derbies.
Behave yourself. Bradford is less than 42 miles from both Oldham and Rochdale, what "derby" would this be then?
Same for Sheffield Wednesday/United vs Derby County/Notts Forest/Notts County
Talking of Nottingham
Forest are at home on the Saturday so County would have to switch again if they won the replay to a Sunday game
About half the games are going to get switched to the Sunday anyway - 8 to the Sunday for the Final Score thing, and then others for TV purposes.
If the BBC had any nous about them they should already be looking at this for the Third Round weekend, especially with no Sky Sports football to clash with it (well, maybe something from the SPL or abroad). Could easily have 12 matches played at 2pm Sunday and given PL clubs are playing on the Thursday, its a no brainer to me to do it again.
Not sure that Notts County v Yeovil should be one of the 8 Sunday games for that reason.
Doesn't matter anyway, if it's played on Sunday they can show it anyway. Wrexham vs Woking wasn't one of the original eight games picked this weekend but they showed all the goals as they went in anyway. They would presumably have shown the goals from Notts County vs Accrington if there had been any while they were on air, so although they officially pick eight they have a lot of flexibility to show others as well.
BBC2 will be pretty disappointed with last Friday's live game. It took an audience of just 1.7 million, down by >30% on the same date the previous year when they had Mastermind with 2.2 million and Gardeners' World with 2.4 million.
Quite the opposite, I think they'll be delighted with it. Nobody covers the first and second rounds of the FA Cup expecting huge numbers (and you're comparing against two of BBC2's best raters there). Think about it: exactly how many of that 1.7 million will have even heard of any player in either of the starting 11's? It's remarkable it got as many viewers as it did
Yorks/Lancs are famous local rivals so a team from either county is a derby.
Same with Sheffield/Notts/Derby all close, hence a derby.
Any teams within 50 miles are local to each other so it's a derby.
In Rugby's Premiership Exeter and and Gloucster is a South West derby and they're 112 miles apart!
That's utter nonsense, big places in the south west are further apart than in the north, so teams have to look further away for 'local' rivals. Trying to apply some arbitary distance as to what makes a derby is idiotic, why is it 50 miles? Do central London teams really have derbies against teams 50 miles outside of the capital?
There's Yorkshire/Lancashire rivalry, but that doesn't make them derby matches at all. Despite being fairly close together on a map, Sheff Wed v Oldham wouldn't be considered a derby by either team. Sheffield and Nottingham teams have a dislike of each other relating to the miners strike, it still doesn't make it a derby.
Even things that are Yorkshire derbies don't always involve any rivalry. Hull fans considered last season's FA Cup semi a derby as Sheff Utd is one of the closest teams to Hull, but from the opposite point of view, Hull doesn't even register as a local rival as there are loads of other closer teams to Sheffield. Hull fans also consider Leeds to be their main rivals, but Leeds fans couldn't care less about Hull.
That's utter nonsense, big places in the south west are further apart than in the north, so teams have to look further away for 'local' rivals. Trying to apply some arbitary distance as to what makes a derby is idiotic, why is it 50 miles? Do central London teams really have derbies against teams 50 miles outside of the capital?
There's Yorkshire/Lancashire rivalry, but that doesn't make them derby matches at all. Despite being fairly close together on a map, Sheff Wed v Oldham wouldn't be considered a derby by either team. Sheffield and Nottingham teams have a dislike of each other relating to the miners strike, it still doesn't make it a derby.
Even things that are Yorkshire derbies don't always involve any rivalry. Hull fans considered last season's FA Cup semi a derby as Sheff Utd is one of the closest teams to Hull, but from the opposite point of view, Hull doesn't even register as a local rival as there are loads of other closer teams to Sheffield. Hull fans also consider Leeds to be their main rivals, but Leeds fans couldn't care less about Hull.
Just to give a Derby fans view on the comments about local derbies, Some of my fellow Derby fans in the north of Derbyshire do see the Sheffield clubs (Wednesday more than United) has being as big as rivals as Notts Forest. While, us from Derby and the south of the county don't see it that way. We just see Forest as being our local derby.
I do think there is a difference between a local derby and a rivalry.
round here a derby is pretty easy Leicester city v derby v Nottingham forest or county or Coventry city are the regular derbies we have played in many years although like the rugby Northampton v Leicester would be and in football if it ever happened nuneaton v Leicester would be and so is Burton Albion v Leicester - you might even consider Leicester v Peterborough as such as well and nuneaton v Tamworth as well and Northampton v Mk dons, Northampton v oxford and also in rugby Northampton v bedford in various aspects these teams are all various distances from 1 another and have varying histories, have also heard crystal palace v Brighton referred to as a derby - according to Wikipedia derbies can be with teams in the same town or city, teams in other counties which are nearby and teams from across the same region this is sport dependent so yes in rugby Bristol v exeter can be a regional derby
Hartlepool United v Blyth Spartans (Friday 5 December, 7.45pm on BBC Two)
Gateshead v Warrington (Sunday 7 December, 12 noon on BT Sport)
Colchester United v Peterborough United (Sunday 7 December, 4.30pm on BT Sport)
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I was going to make the same point. How exactly is this special?
Based on the last round they'll probably interview the same people 12 times and hope the viewing public forget. Moving on to tonight's draw, I was quiet impressed with the coverage, it's a massive step up from watching a group of kids and parents who looked to have no interest at all than fans coming at their own freewill (plus I hate screaming kids pulling faces).
I don't think they'll be disappointed. Those two programmes rate OK (and Mastermind was on anyway, at 7pm, so they were presumably up year on year in that slot) but over the two and a half hours there are wild fluctuations and the 9pm hour often rates quite poorly, so the average over the two and a half hours would be much the same. And it rated better than it would on Sunday lunchtime.
And how many watched Man City v Chelsea then ???
Weds night Aldershot replay
Thursday night Maidstone
You really cant compare a match shown on free TV against one shown behind a paywall.
Yes ... they will jump on any bandwagon.
The good folk at Blyth don't really have any animosity towards opposing teams (I follow one of their most local of "rivals" and can quite easily turn up in my own colours!!
And it's as much a local derby as, say, Chelsea vs Reading or Watford, with corresponding differences in both distance and league levels.
But it's all up North, so what do the BBC care?
How is 42 miles not a derby? That's pretty local. In Devon the major rivalry is Exeter and Plymouth which are 45 miles apart, so 42 miles most certainly makes a derby same with the South East fixtures above, these are all London/Home County derbies.
Not sure I understand what you are getting at with that last comment
Not any more
Now they are in Manchester
Look at last nights Cup draw
All guests were from Northern teams
Behave yourself. Bradford is less than 42 miles from both Oldham and Rochdale, what "derby" would this be then?
Same for Sheffield Wednesday/United vs Derby County/Notts Forest/Notts County
Forest are at home on the Saturday so County would have to switch again if they won the replay to a Sunday game
About half the games are going to get switched to the Sunday anyway - 8 to the Sunday for the Final Score thing, and then others for TV purposes.
If the BBC had any nous about them they should already be looking at this for the Third Round weekend, especially with no Sky Sports football to clash with it (well, maybe something from the SPL or abroad). Could easily have 12 matches played at 2pm Sunday and given PL clubs are playing on the Thursday, its a no brainer to me to do it again.
If It is it should be made one of the Final Score games
Doesn't matter anyway, if it's played on Sunday they can show it anyway. Wrexham vs Woking wasn't one of the original eight games picked this weekend but they showed all the goals as they went in anyway. They would presumably have shown the goals from Notts County vs Accrington if there had been any while they were on air, so although they officially pick eight they have a lot of flexibility to show others as well.
Yorks/Lancs are famous local rivals so a team from either county is a derby.
Same with Sheffield/Notts/Derby all close, hence a derby.
Any teams within 50 miles are local to each other so it's a derby.
In Rugby's Premiership Exeter and and Gloucster is a South West derby and they're 112 miles apart!
Quite the opposite, I think they'll be delighted with it. Nobody covers the first and second rounds of the FA Cup expecting huge numbers (and you're comparing against two of BBC2's best raters there). Think about it: exactly how many of that 1.7 million will have even heard of any player in either of the starting 11's? It's remarkable it got as many viewers as it did
That's utter nonsense, big places in the south west are further apart than in the north, so teams have to look further away for 'local' rivals. Trying to apply some arbitary distance as to what makes a derby is idiotic, why is it 50 miles? Do central London teams really have derbies against teams 50 miles outside of the capital?
There's Yorkshire/Lancashire rivalry, but that doesn't make them derby matches at all. Despite being fairly close together on a map, Sheff Wed v Oldham wouldn't be considered a derby by either team. Sheffield and Nottingham teams have a dislike of each other relating to the miners strike, it still doesn't make it a derby.
Even things that are Yorkshire derbies don't always involve any rivalry. Hull fans considered last season's FA Cup semi a derby as Sheff Utd is one of the closest teams to Hull, but from the opposite point of view, Hull doesn't even register as a local rival as there are loads of other closer teams to Sheffield. Hull fans also consider Leeds to be their main rivals, but Leeds fans couldn't care less about Hull.
Just to give a Derby fans view on the comments about local derbies, Some of my fellow Derby fans in the north of Derbyshire do see the Sheffield clubs (Wednesday more than United) has being as big as rivals as Notts Forest. While, us from Derby and the south of the county don't see it that way. We just see Forest as being our local derby.
I do think there is a difference between a local derby and a rivalry.
Rubbish.
Glos v Brizzle (historical derby)
Glos v Barf (the old enemy)
Glos v Wuss in recent years.
Exeter nope.
Sorry, but who are "Barf" and "Wuss"?
Hartlepool United v Blyth Spartans (Friday 5 December, 7.45pm on BBC Two)
Gateshead v Warrington (Sunday 7 December, 12 noon on BT Sport)
Colchester United v Peterborough United (Sunday 7 December, 4.30pm on BT Sport)