Posters on here have suggested all sorts of outragous revenge, is that not also vile and unnacceptable? Not one poster has failed to express deep sympathy for Denise that I have read, nor have any shown a lack of compassion. Its when the pitchfork vigilantes crawl out that meaningful discussion goes out the door.
Surely you can understand why it is that Denise Fergus is still so hurt and angry?
It doesn't matter what you think she should do or what other parents of murder victims have done. She can't let it rest or move on, which is perfectly understandable given the cirumstances and, even if I did feel she should try and move on, I would still understand why she feels the way she does.
Her two-year-old little boy, who was her only child, was abducted, tortured and murdered in the most cruel and brutal way imaginable and the people who killed him never served a single day in prison.
After his death she, with the support of the British public, worked tirelessly and managed to get the original and inadequate sentence increased - only to see it overturned and her son's killers released and protected having never spent a single day in prison.
I'm not remotely surprised that she feels let down and is incredibly bitter and angry. I can't even begin to imagine how she must feel knowing the sickening details of what those two did to her son, let alone how she feels about the fact that the judiciary felt her son's life only worthy of an eight year stay in a secure children's home.
I find it abhorent that there are people on this thread showing support and understanding for two people who murdered an innocent toddler and attacking that toddler's mother at the same time.
Posters on here have suggested all sorts of outragous revenge, is that not also vile and unnacceptable? Not one poster has failed to express deep sympathy for Denise that I have read, nor have any shown a lack of compassion. Its when the pitchfork vigilantes crawl out that meaningful discussion goes out the door.
Two posters on this thread have repeatedly attacked Denise Fergus personally and made all kinds of claims about her while showing support and understanding for the people who killed her son. Why is she not worthy of the same support and understanding? She is the victim for God's sake.
I don't advocate vigilante groups or the death sentence, but I will say that I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if Venables was attacked in prison.
The judiciary in this country failed James Bulger miserably and his mother is rightly outraged, deeply hurt and upset that his killers have been protected and their welfare put before that of her own. Has this made her slightly irrational perhaps? Almost certainly and it's hardly surprising.
Posters on here have suggested all sorts of outragous revenge, is that not also vile and unnacceptable? Not one poster has failed to express deep sympathy for Denise that I have read, nor have any shown a lack of compassion. Its when the pitchfork vigilantes crawl out that meaningful discussion goes out the door.
Page 4 onwards is interesting however from around 14 onwards there's a bit of venom.
I did a little search as I recalled a couple of threads on this topic from a previous stint on here. Quite a few familiar names on numerous threads on this topic. Not the 'pitchfork vigilantes' though.
What I'm finding "abhorrent" is the prurient nature of your posts going into salacious and unnecessary detail about the "sickening" nature of Thompson and Venables actions against James Bulger.
Your interest in the case seems a little...off.
Salacious and unnecessary detail. Come off it. You're just a wind up
That's one of the saddest articles i've ever read, the poor man must still be going through hell. I was 10 years old when it happened, and I remember at the time thinking 'Those boys are the same age as me, how could they do such a thing?'
Surely you can understand why it is that Denise Fergus is still so hurt and angry?
It doesn't matter what you think she should do or what other parents of murder victims have done. She can't let it rest or move on, which is perfectly understandable given the cirumstances and, even if I did feel she should try and move on, I would still understand why she feels the way she does.
Her two-year-old little boy, who was her only child, was abducted, tortured and murdered in the most cruel and brutal way imaginable and the people who killed him never served a single day in prison.
After his death she, with the support of the British public, worked tirelessly and managed to get the original and inadequate sentence increased - only to see it overturned and her son's killers released and protected having never spent a single day in prison.
I'm not remotely surprised that she feels let down and is incredibly bitter and angry. I can't even begin to imagine how she must feel knowing the sickening details of what those two did to her son, let alone how she feels about the fact that the judiciary felt her son's life only worthy of an eight year stay in a secure children's home.
I find it abhorent that there are people on this thread showing support and understanding for two people who murdered an innocent toddler and attacking that toddler's mother at the same time.
Of course She's hurt and Angry and whilst the foundation looks like it does real good work in helping victims of bullying.
People have said how would I feel if it was my child, well I cannot answer that probably the same as others want them dead. However that will not solve the big problem only satisfy my lust for revenge.
I would like to think that If I was in that situation I would want to find the reasons why the unthinkable happened. Not dismiss it as "they were just evil". (I don't think Denise feels this way BTW)
Most bully's do it because they want power because they are suffering in some way and I'm sure those two were. Not sympathising with them, what they did was unspeakably evil, but there must have been some trigger point in their lives that made them act this way.
That is what I would want to work towards and help children before it gets to the point of no return, that's a lasting legacy IMO
Salacious and unnecessary detail. Come off it. You're just a wind up
Why is it so hard for you to contemplate that someone may have an opposing view? No, I'm not a "wind up". I seriously believe that some posters have got an unhealthy interest in this case and their yearning to endlessly disseminate and immortalise every gory aspect is weird and unnatural.
In what way should Clearview be ashamed of themselves? They've not said anything remotely "vile" from what I can see. It's refreshing to see comments such as theirs rathe than the usual mob mentality, "legs string all murderers up by the bollocks" brigade.
Oh dear. You really need to read clearview's posts again - slowly.
Why is it so hard for you to contemplate that someone may have an opposing view? No, I'm not a "wind up". I seriously believe that some posters have got an unhealthy interest in this case and their yearning to endlessly disseminate and immortalise every gory aspect is weird and unnatural.
I think you must be reading entirely different posts to what I am
What I'm finding "abhorrent" is the prurient nature of your posts going into salacious and unnecessary detail about the "sickening" nature of Thompson and Venables actions against James Bulger.
Your interest in the case seems a little...off.
Are we not supposed to mention the details of what they did?
We know exactly what they did to that little boy and sickening is precisely what it was.
That is why people have such strong feelings about it and also why people, to this day, still support Denise Fergus in any way they can.
Are we not supposed to mention the details of what they did?
We know exactly what they did to that little boy and sickening is precisely what it was.
That is why people have such strong feelings about it and also why people, to this day, still support Denise Fergus in any way they can.
We already know what they did. We don't need you to constantly remind us and make damn sure we all agree with you.
You remind me of these people who watch endless documentaries about the Holocaust and somehow revel in the Nazi atrocities on the pretext of condemning them. As I said, a little "off".
We already know what they did. We don't need you to constantly remind us and make damn sure we all agree with you.
You remind me of these people who watch endless documentaries about the Holocaust and somehow revel in the Nazi atrocities on the pretext of condemning them. As I said, a little "off".
The poster isn't doing anything you are saying that they are.
Your post is offensive and out of order.
True also of the hundreds of rapists peadophiles and murderers who on completion of their sentences are released back into society. Are you suggesting that all criminals should be locked up forever. Or just these two.? Or that public outrage should be a determining factor in sentencing. If by appearing anually to demand justice Denise whips up the kind of gutter mob mentality, some of which has appeared on here today, then I would suggest her time may be better spent on her charities etc.
I'm suggesting that criminals receive a sentence that suits the crime. Mrs Bulger does not want these now adults to be locked up forever, she stated that in an interview today but I for one am sick of the way criminals always get protected. How about protecting the victims family and giving them some kind of peace and justice. Too many are being "let out" when they shouldn't be.
Mrs Bulger is in the press a lot by the way, not just annually as you mention. She also does things for charity.
There always was a bit of 'torture porn' whenever this case was brought up. People not only recounting the crime but adding bits on to make it worse (batteries up the rectum, fingers cut off and all sorts of other things that did not happen) as if what was done was not bad enough.
I'm suggesting that criminals receive a sentence that suits the crime.
The sentence should not just fit the crime but the criminal. In this case, two ten year old children. Giving them an adult punishment would be wholly inappropriate. As has been mentioned, compared to most other countries in the world, they were treated very harshly indeed. In most other developed nations (and many non developed ones), they would never have found themselves in the dock of a court - much less tried as adults and given a life sentence.
There always was a bit of 'torture porn' whenever this case was brought up. People not only recounting the crime but adding bits on to make it worse (batteries up the rectum, fingers cut off and all sorts of other things that did not happen) as if what was done was not bad enough.
Torture porn? Well I never.
How low can you actually go?
The sentence should not just fit the crime but the criminal. In this case, two ten year old children. Giving them an adult punishment would be wholly inappropriate. As has been mentioned, compared to most other countries in the world, they were treated very harshly indeed. In most other developed nations (and many non developed ones), they would never have found themselves in the dock of a court - much less tried as adults and given a life sentence.
Ten year old children know the difference between right and wrong.
They knew that when they put that dying child on that railway line it would most likely kill him. A court decided so as well. Why are you harping on about other countries. It wasn't another country it was here.
They weren't punished harshly enough
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James Bulger threads always go this way.
I know:( I should know better:o
Two posters on this thread have repeatedly attacked Denise Fergus personally and made all kinds of claims about her while showing support and understanding for the people who killed her son. Why is she not worthy of the same support and understanding? She is the victim for God's sake.
I don't advocate vigilante groups or the death sentence, but I will say that I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if Venables was attacked in prison.
The judiciary in this country failed James Bulger miserably and his mother is rightly outraged, deeply hurt and upset that his killers have been protected and their welfare put before that of her own. Has this made her slightly irrational perhaps? Almost certainly and it's hardly surprising.
Quite a lack of compassion in the link below.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1584189&highlight=maggie+atkinson&page=14
Page 4 onwards is interesting however from around 14 onwards there's a bit of venom.
I did a little search as I recalled a couple of threads on this topic from a previous stint on here. Quite a few familiar names on numerous threads on this topic. Not the 'pitchfork vigilantes' though.
Salacious and unnecessary detail. Come off it. You're just a wind up
So so sad.
Of course She's hurt and Angry and whilst the foundation looks like it does real good work in helping victims of bullying.
People have said how would I feel if it was my child, well I cannot answer that probably the same as others want them dead. However that will not solve the big problem only satisfy my lust for revenge.
I would like to think that If I was in that situation I would want to find the reasons why the unthinkable happened. Not dismiss it as "they were just evil". (I don't think Denise feels this way BTW)
Most bully's do it because they want power because they are suffering in some way and I'm sure those two were. Not sympathising with them, what they did was unspeakably evil, but there must have been some trigger point in their lives that made them act this way.
That is what I would want to work towards and help children before it gets to the point of no return, that's a lasting legacy IMO
Why is it so hard for you to contemplate that someone may have an opposing view? No, I'm not a "wind up". I seriously believe that some posters have got an unhealthy interest in this case and their yearning to endlessly disseminate and immortalise every gory aspect is weird and unnatural.
I think you must be reading entirely different posts to what I am
Are we not supposed to mention the details of what they did?
We know exactly what they did to that little boy and sickening is precisely what it was.
That is why people have such strong feelings about it and also why people, to this day, still support Denise Fergus in any way they can.
We already know what they did. We don't need you to constantly remind us and make damn sure we all agree with you.
You remind me of these people who watch endless documentaries about the Holocaust and somehow revel in the Nazi atrocities on the pretext of condemning them. As I said, a little "off".
Nope. Same ones, you just choose to believe an unhealthy interest in the details is "ok". I don't.
You see, this is what happens on a DS forum, people have differing views and are entitled to express them.
The poster isn't doing anything you are saying that they are.
Your post is offensive and out of order.
To you perhaps, I find Flatt Matt's posts offensive and your rabid defence of him is quite odd.
I'm suggesting that criminals receive a sentence that suits the crime. Mrs Bulger does not want these now adults to be locked up forever, she stated that in an interview today but I for one am sick of the way criminals always get protected. How about protecting the victims family and giving them some kind of peace and justice. Too many are being "let out" when they shouldn't be.
Mrs Bulger is in the press a lot by the way, not just annually as you mention. She also does things for charity.
Oh dear oh dear.
I can only laugh
Oh dear indeed. What a lame response. Ran out of a decent argument, have we?
The sentence should not just fit the crime but the criminal. In this case, two ten year old children. Giving them an adult punishment would be wholly inappropriate. As has been mentioned, compared to most other countries in the world, they were treated very harshly indeed. In most other developed nations (and many non developed ones), they would never have found themselves in the dock of a court - much less tried as adults and given a life sentence.
You are too funny
Torture porn? Well I never.
How low can you actually go?
You're not convincing anyone.
If you want to be part of the mob and revel in the torture porn aspects of this terrible crime, that's up to you.
I'm confused why you would find it funny that anyone would think differently. Humour would be the last emotion I would expect to find on this subject.
Ten year old children know the difference between right and wrong.
They knew that when they put that dying child on that railway line it would most likely kill him. A court decided so as well. Why are you harping on about other countries. It wasn't another country it was here.
They weren't punished harshly enough