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Jamies dad speaks out

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    Ada RabbleAda Rabble Posts: 3,317
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    anais32 wrote: »
    I think you need to speak to a forensic psychiatrist who performs these tests. They are more clued up than you think.

    You might find they are fallible.
    A person will only let on what they want you to know.
    Doesn't matter how clued up a person is.
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    anais32anais32 Posts: 12,963
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    You might find they are fallible.
    A person will only let on what they want you to know.
    Doesn't matter how clued up a person is.

    Sorry but this is coming across as simple ignorance. You clearly have no understanding of forensic psychology/psychiatry.
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    mrsdaisychainmrsdaisychain Posts: 3,438
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    anais32 wrote: »
    Oh for gods sake. How do you think they'd be able to explain the presence of a probation officer in their house every few months?

    And it is interesting that exactly the same words were used by The Sun (the publication we KNOW was stalking Thompson for years along with NOTW and hacking his phone) when it revealed he was gay - that he told his partner of his real identity in order to fulfil the license requirements which state that he must reveal his identity to anyone he formed a close relationship with.

    Persisting in these claims is, as I say, dishonest.

    It can be done, as it has been done many times before.
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    Ada RabbleAda Rabble Posts: 3,317
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    So two ten year old boys would be able to outwit a scientifically designed test that will have been devised to allow for lies etc? I' m not being difficult or deliberately awkward but I don;t think even the brightest of ten year olds would be able to second guess a test like this. And for the record I don't think they were that bright TBH.

    Even stupid kids are capable of letting you know what they want you to know. Its called cunning.
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    anais32anais32 Posts: 12,963
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    It can be done, as it has been done many times before.

    Give examples then.
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    Ada RabbleAda Rabble Posts: 3,317
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    anais32 wrote: »
    Sorry but this is coming across as simple ignorance. You clearly have no understanding of forensic psychology/psychiatry.

    You are laughable.
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    anais32anais32 Posts: 12,963
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    Even stupid kids are capable of letting you know what they want you to know. Its called cunning.

    That is very different from manipulating the results of a test that is specifically designed to see if you are manipulative.

    You are talking rubbish.
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    evie71evie71 Posts: 1,372
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    anais32 wrote: »
    Except neither one has shown any inclination to kill again (even Venables who reoffended). You cannot say they have 'all the evil traits' of Brady and Hindley - neither child was diagnosed a psychopath.

    So that is a crassly ridiculous statement.

    Ok, so alarm bells don't sound when a released child abductor/sexual abuser/killer is found with child porn on his computer, as well as befriending a woman on-line just to get close to her child? I very much believe that Venables is a psychopath, who is as much a danger to children now as he was then.

    Your unwavering support of this pervert astounds me, even more so than your indifference to denise fergus's loss.
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    BrambleRambleBrambleRamble Posts: 142
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    You are laughable.

    Here we go again with the humour. You really are very odd.
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    jaceylaceyjaceylacey Posts: 679
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    Of course they are cunning.,...that is why they managed to lie themselves "cured" and get released at eighteen.
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    mrsdaisychainmrsdaisychain Posts: 3,438
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    anais32 wrote: »
    Give examples then.

    You only have to listen to some of the docu's on tv to realise, it goes on. I don't know anyone personally who is under this kind of situation but listening to some programmes, especially the crime docu;s it shows you the great lenghs the police go to, to protect the offender. .
    they are not going to let anyone interfere with that now are they.
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    Ada RabbleAda Rabble Posts: 3,317
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    anais32 wrote: »
    That is very different from manipulating the results of a test that is specifically designed to see if you are manipulative.

    You are talking rubbish.

    Well actually, I'm not. So you're wrong, frankly.
    Am I about the 5th person you've tried to belittle or is it more. I've lost count.
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    anais32anais32 Posts: 12,963
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    evie71 wrote: »
    Your unwavering support of this pervert astounds me, even more so than your indifference to denise fergus's loss.


    Again, straw man rubbish. Where have I shown 'unwavering support'. Total crap.
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    Ada RabbleAda Rabble Posts: 3,317
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    jaceylacey wrote: »
    Of course they are cunning.,...that is why they managed to lie themselves "cured" and get released at eighteen.

    I agree.
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    anais32anais32 Posts: 12,963
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    Well actually, I'm not.

    Yes. You are. You clearly don't have the first clue about what you are discussing (either the Hare test or forensic psychiatry in general).

    You are making stuff up.
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    Penny CrayonPenny Crayon Posts: 36,158
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    You only have to listen to some of the docu's on tv to realise, it goes on. I don't know anyone personally who is under this kind of situation but listening to some programmes, especially the crime docu;s it shows you the great lenghs the police go to, to protect the offender. .
    they are not going to let anyone interfere with that now are they.

    It's a condition of their parole ............the police have nothing to do with this 'protecting of an offender' their parole officers/social workers will ensure that they keep to this. It is in their own interest to come clean - that is why it is part of their parole conditions.

    Where does the police protecting an offender come into it?
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    Ada RabbleAda Rabble Posts: 3,317
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    I'm not making anything up.
    I'm talking about the basic human behaviour, the instinct to protect oneself. You don't have to be an expert to make people believe what you want them to. To lie in a test because the lie feels better.
    There is no scientific test for psychopathy and we all know that. Everything else is just going on the information given.
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    anais32anais32 Posts: 12,963
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    I'm not making anything up.
    I'm talking about the basic human behaviour, the instinct to protect oneself. You don't have to be an expert to make people believe what you want them to. To lie in a test because the lie feels better.

    What is your evidence for this? Which psychologist/expert on human behaviour are you basing this on? How many people have been known to be able to manipulate highly trained psychiatrists on the Hare test?

    Unless you can answer these questions with evidential, empirical information, then you are making stuff up.
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    jaceylaceyjaceylacey Posts: 679
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    It's a condition of their parole ............the police have nothing to do with this 'protecting of an offender' their parole officers/social workers will ensure that they keep to this. It is in their own interest to come clean - that is why it is part of their parole conditions.

    Where does the police protecting an offender come into it?

    The pair of them should be compulsory sterilised.
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    Ada RabbleAda Rabble Posts: 3,317
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    Really? Get over yourself.
    You're showing yourself up.

    Edit....yeah, psycopaths will manipulate it, its what they do.
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    anais32anais32 Posts: 12,963
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    Really? Get over yourself.
    You're showing yourself up.

    I think you need to take some of your own advice. Seriously. Give some good examples if you are so certain of your assumptions.
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    BrambleRambleBrambleRamble Posts: 142
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    I'm not making anything up.
    I'm talking about the basic human behaviour, the instinct to protect oneself. You don't have to be an expert to make people believe what you want them to. To lie in a test because the lie feels better.

    You really don't have a clue do you?

    So, we won't bother with any "experts" in the fields of criminology and forensic psychology shall we? We'll just let Ada Rabble sort it because after all he/she is a "human" and that's sufficient qualification, knowledge and expertise to make decisions on behalf of the CPS.

    I must tell my boss tomorrow morning that he needn't have bothered with all those degrees and that he can just let you sort it.
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    julie88julie88 Posts: 2,934
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    I'm not making anything up.
    I'm talking about the basic human behaviour, the instinct to protect oneself. You don't have to be an expert to make people believe what you want them to. To lie in a test because the lie feels better.
    There is no scientific test for psychopathy and we all know that. Everything else is just going on the information given.

    It sounds mostly like you don't know what you're talking about.
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    AnnaliseZAnnaliseZ Posts: 3,912
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    Ada Rabble wrote: »
    Really? Get over yourself.
    You're showing yourself up.

    No, I don't think so.
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    mrsdaisychainmrsdaisychain Posts: 3,438
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    It's a condition of their parole ............the police have nothing to do with this 'protecting of an offender' their parole officers/social workers will ensure that they keep to this. It is in their own interest to come clean - that is why it is part of their parole conditions.

    Where does the police protecting an offender come into it?

    Social workers/parole officers/ police. All part of the system.
    They have to keep them safe incase the public become aware of who they actually are. That is the point I am making.
    The social workers/parole officers are the ones that obviously are first hand, the police will enforce the law keeping their identity secret.
    No one will convince me that they inform their identity to their partners, they just could not risk it. Maybe the social workers keep a close watch, I'd buy that, but full blown addmission, no way.
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