Sharia Law applies in Dubai and Saudi Arabia. The benefit of countries with such strict laws is that they are generally safe and peaceful as everyone knows the severe consequences of breaking the law.
However, it comes with a major sacrifice of human and women's rights.
I'd also like to know the answer to this. I don't think UN forces can invade another country simply for stoning/flogging someone to death no matter how barbaric we think it is and I'm not sure whether economic sanctions would work against one of the world's poorest nations.
The common law offence of blasphemy was abolished by the last Labour administration.
The common law offence of blasphemy was abolished by the last Labour administration.
Are there any other Christian laws you meant?
Are you sure you meant to quote my post? I'm haven't mentioned Christian laws and am not sure what this has to do with apostacy being against the UN charter.
Now that you bring it up though the requirement for religious education in the curriculum doesn't really sit well with me personally.
Are you sure you meant to quote my post? I'm haven't mentioned Christian laws and am not sure what this has to do with apostacy being against the UN charter.
Now that you bring it up though the requirement for religious education in the curriculum doesn't really sit well with me personally.
No indeed I didn't as per my last post.
The provision you mention isn't a Christian law though, is it? And, if we are really going to allow our children to make an informed choice on religious matters, they need to hear both sides of the story. If only one side- the non believing one- is given, how does that give children the information they need?
Sharia Law applies in Dubai and Saudi Arabia. The benefit of countries with such strict laws is that they are generally safe and peaceful as everyone knows the severe consequences of breaking the law.
However, it comes with a major sacrifice of human and women's rights.
Depends what your priorities are.
The Gambia survived for a long time without introducing Shariah. Now that some people are pushing it through I wonder whether they too will erupt into violence and barbarism. I guess we'll see.
The Gambia survived for a long time without introducing Shariah. Now that some people are pushing it through I wonder whether they too will erupt into violence and barbarism. I guess we'll see.
Actually you mentioned Dubai. This is perhaps evidence of a country with Sharia Law where other religions are able to practice (within limits) in peace.
Maybe there is hope after all!
The provision you mention isn't a Christian law though, is it? And, if we are really going to allow our children to make an informed choice on religious matters, they need to hear both sides of the story. If only one side- the non believing one- is given, how does that give children the information they need?
I guess it depends upon the perspective again. The requirement for collective worship of which 51% must be Christian doesn't sound very balanced.
I'd also like to know the answer to this. I don't think UN forces can invade another country simply for stoning/flogging someone to death no matter how barbaric we think it is and I'm not sure whether economic sanctions would work against one of the world's poorest nations.
They could at least condem it in the General Assembly and ask them why they don't comply with the UN Charter.
The link is self explanatory.. yet there are many who are striving to introduce `Shir`a Law` in the UK.
Is this what we want, Anti Christian Law on our own doorstep?
Who are the 'many' who are trying to introduce Sharia law, other than in the same sense as Beth Din courts, ie non-binding courts running alongside the national judicial system? The 83% of British muslims who say they are proud to be British?
There will be more Muslims than non-Muslims in the UK in a couple of decades. All they need is a majority.
4% of the British population are Muslim. Seriously, how are they going to be a majority in a couple of decades? And who is 'they' who need a majority to do what?
Can you find me one single link, from any source whatsoever, where a British person praises the government of Sudan?
So, she's being hanged for walking away from Islam and having a christian partner? And they say that Islam isn't a violent religion? FFS!
The Sudanese government is not 'Islam', any more than the Ugandan government is 'Christianity'. Is anyone saying that the Sudanese governement is not violent? I don't think so.
The common law offence of blasphemy was abolished by the last Labour administration.
Are there any other Christian laws you meant?
From memory we still have a bunch of Church laws, which tend to only apply on Church properties, I think one of the big Gay Rights campaigners was one of the most recent people charged with under one of them about ten years ago.
We do have very specific Christian/COE laws in addition to the much more well known Common and Parliamentary laws, but very rarely used.
From memory we still have a bunch of Church laws, which tend to only apply on Church properties, I think one of the big Gay Rights campaigners was one of the most recent people charged with under one of them about ten years ago.
We do have very specific Christian/COE laws in addition to the much more well known Common and Parliamentary laws, but very rarely used.
I literally can't remember a criminal law specific to the C of E being used in my lifetime. (I think there is a specific offence of causing a disturbance in a church. But as I say, I can't remember it ever being used).
The power of the C of E (and RC) churches is in the field of education more than anything. I am totally against it: how ridiculous, for example, that our local specialist science high school is for Catholics only. If you are C of E you have a better chance of getting into the music or languages specialist schools. If you don't go to church at all, there is a specialist business studies school, or a sports specialist school, or one that specialises in music and art. If your child is mad keen on science but does not go to church it is just tough luck: obviously only Catholics are supposed to be mad on science.
A small number of people on here, the OP included, were making me lose faith in humanity (in addition to losing a little more faith in DS). Luckily, the majority have somewhat managed to restore it.
A small number of people on here, the OP included, were making me lose faith in humanity (in addition to losing a little more faith in DS). Luckily, the majority have somewhat managed to restore it.
What do you object to exactly?
Do you think it's untrue that certain people want Sharia Law introduced to the UK?
Do you think this would be a good or a bad thing?
Do you think this woman is guilty of all charges or not? Is the punishment appropriate?
I literally can't remember a criminal law specific to the C of E being used in my lifetime. (I think there is a specific offence of causing a disturbance in a church. But as I say, I can't remember it ever being used).
I think it was used against Peter Tatchel? in about 95 or 2000 for some disturbance he caused during a major chuch event, it wasn't blasphemy but something else from memory that only applied if it happened on/inside a church..
There is a pleasing emphasis on hospitality. If you visit Muslim friends you can be sure they will go to a lot of trouble to feed you. I have twice made the mistake of stuffing myself to the gills with what turned out to be a pre-meal snack. And if you pop into your local mosque at a convenient time they will bombard you with free books, and queue up to make you feel welcome.
I have sent this email to the relevant Sudanese ministries. (see my previous post)
Salutations
I am moved to write to you to humbly request you use your good offices to find a way to show mercy to Meriam Yehya Ibrahim currently facing a death sentence in Sudan. She is a religious woman and I cannot believe that the prophet (peace be upon him) would accept her death for truly holding to her beliefs.
Her flogging and execution will; I know; give credibility to those who mistakenly wish to show the Muslim religion as cruel and barbaric.
I thank you for any attention you can give to my words.
Perhaps anyone whose concern goes beyond silent outrage might wish to do similar?
These are the people to write to;
Salutation: Your Excellency
Minister of Justice
Mohamed Bushara Dousa
Ministry of Justice
Email: moj@moj.gov.sd
Salutation: Your Excellency
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Ali Ahmed Karti
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Email: ministry@mfa.gov.sd
And copies to:
Minister of Interior
Ibrahim Mahmoud Hamed
Ministry of Interior
Email: mut@isoc.sd
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Sharia Law applies in Dubai and Saudi Arabia. The benefit of countries with such strict laws is that they are generally safe and peaceful as everyone knows the severe consequences of breaking the law.
However, it comes with a major sacrifice of human and women's rights.
Depends what your priorities are.
The common law offence of blasphemy was abolished by the last Labour administration.
Are there any other Christian laws you meant?
Now that you bring it up though the requirement for religious education in the curriculum doesn't really sit well with me personally.
Sorry everyone, I meant to post my comment in reply to this post.
No indeed I didn't as per my last post.
The provision you mention isn't a Christian law though, is it? And, if we are really going to allow our children to make an informed choice on religious matters, they need to hear both sides of the story. If only one side- the non believing one- is given, how does that give children the information they need?
I was just trying to think of one for you. But I did not bring it up in the first place, someone else did.
Actually you mentioned Dubai. This is perhaps evidence of a country with Sharia Law where other religions are able to practice (within limits) in peace.
Maybe there is hope after all!
They could at least condem it in the General Assembly and ask them why they don't comply with the UN Charter.
Can you find me one single link, from any source whatsoever, where a British person praises the government of Sudan?
The Sudanese government is not 'Islam', any more than the Ugandan government is 'Christianity'. Is anyone saying that the Sudanese governement is not violent? I don't think so.
Like this?
http://imgur.com/cVGx1FP
From memory we still have a bunch of Church laws, which tend to only apply on Church properties, I think one of the big Gay Rights campaigners was one of the most recent people charged with under one of them about ten years ago.
We do have very specific Christian/COE laws in addition to the much more well known Common and Parliamentary laws, but very rarely used.
I literally can't remember a criminal law specific to the C of E being used in my lifetime. (I think there is a specific offence of causing a disturbance in a church. But as I say, I can't remember it ever being used).
I think the case you are referring to is this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/11/newsid_2499000/2499721.stm But it was in 1977, not about ten years ago, and that law has gone from the books.
The power of the C of E (and RC) churches is in the field of education more than anything. I am totally against it: how ridiculous, for example, that our local specialist science high school is for Catholics only. If you are C of E you have a better chance of getting into the music or languages specialist schools. If you don't go to church at all, there is a specialist business studies school, or a sports specialist school, or one that specialises in music and art. If your child is mad keen on science but does not go to church it is just tough luck: obviously only Catholics are supposed to be mad on science.
Sorry, all off topic.
Can you give a few examples?
Like what?
What do you object to exactly?
Do you think it's untrue that certain people want Sharia Law introduced to the UK?
Do you think this would be a good or a bad thing?
Do you think this woman is guilty of all charges or not? Is the punishment appropriate?
Like how brutal it is.
I think it was used against Peter Tatchel? in about 95 or 2000 for some disturbance he caused during a major chuch event, it wasn't blasphemy but something else from memory that only applied if it happened on/inside a church..
There is a pleasing emphasis on hospitality. If you visit Muslim friends you can be sure they will go to a lot of trouble to feed you. I have twice made the mistake of stuffing myself to the gills with what turned out to be a pre-meal snack. And if you pop into your local mosque at a convenient time they will bombard you with free books, and queue up to make you feel welcome.
Salutations
I am moved to write to you to humbly request you use your good offices to find a way to show mercy to Meriam Yehya Ibrahim currently facing a death sentence in Sudan. She is a religious woman and I cannot believe that the prophet (peace be upon him) would accept her death for truly holding to her beliefs.
Her flogging and execution will; I know; give credibility to those who mistakenly wish to show the Muslim religion as cruel and barbaric.
I thank you for any attention you can give to my words.
Perhaps anyone whose concern goes beyond silent outrage might wish to do similar?
These are the people to write to;
Salutation: Your Excellency
Minister of Justice
Mohamed Bushara Dousa
Ministry of Justice
Email: moj@moj.gov.sd
Salutation: Your Excellency
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Ali Ahmed Karti
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Email:
ministry@mfa.gov.sd
And copies to:
Minister of Interior
Ibrahim Mahmoud Hamed
Ministry of Interior
Email: mut@isoc.sd