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BT buy ESPN channels

BT have baught the UK version of ESPN and ESPN America. The deal keeps "at least one" ESPN branded channel. I expect that will be ESPN America.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21577676
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    wwwebberwwwebber Posts: 3,671
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    This was expected and is a good move for BT.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 302
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    As a baseball fan, and BT customer this is great news... apart from the fact that I'm probably only going to get these channels through Sky.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 302
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    The deal completes on July 31st, which would hint that all the BT Sports channels are going to launch on August 1st.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 301
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    So does that mean that BT Sport will occupy the ESPN slot on freeview?
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    1andrew11andrew1 Posts: 4,088
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    Hup_73 wrote: »
    So does that mean that BT Sport will occupy the ESPN slot on freeview?
    [channel 34]That is certainly a strong possibility. BT also owns the DTT channels which Sky Sports 1 and 2 are on too [channels 41, 42] so BT Sport could potentially be on those as well.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 302
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    Top Up TV own channel 34, not ESPN.
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    freetoview33freetoview33 Posts: 2,921
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    I think Disney is trying to wind down its UK operations.

    ABC1 failed a good few years back
    Sold there 25% stake in GMTV
    Selling off/winding down ESPN
    And Sky Movies Disney agreement

    I'm surprised they don't do some joint venture with sky to operate Disney Channel and Disney Junior. Similar to the A+E networks UK which is joint with Sky and in which Disney owns a stake.
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    BangersBangers Posts: 3,649
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    indiekid76 wrote: »
    Top Up TV own channel 34, not ESPN.
    BUT.... what if BT do a deal with Top Up TV?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 302
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    What other sports do you think BT will try and buy up? Football League and Champions League are tied up for a few years, as is the NFL and cricket.

    There were a few rumours, following the move to BT of a Boxnation exec about a deal here. I think people were putting two-and-two together, but I still don't see how that channel is sustainable. I'd be pleased if Frank Warren's cards, along with some US and German boxing moves over to the BT Sports channel though.

    I read that BT might be sponsoring British Athletics, but what actual rights are there still available to BT?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 302
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    Bangers wrote: »
    BUT.... what if BT do a deal with Top Up TV?

    Doesn't seem that BT are looking at broadcast channels for delivery.
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    freetoview33freetoview33 Posts: 2,921
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    Sounds like there will be 3 BT Sports channel. So they could do a deal with Top up possibly. Just could Top Up keep going with 3 BT Sports channels and the loss of Sky Sports 1+2.
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    sacavsworldsacavsworld Posts: 103
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    What will happen to the subscribers of espn like myself will we be transferred to bt sport?
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    joshua_welbyjoshua_welby Posts: 9,027
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    What will happen to the subscribers of espn like myself will we be transferred to bt sport?

    Yes you will, plus you will also get one ESPN channel as well, price unknown at the moment for Sky customers and it may or may not be in Virgin's Size XL TV pack
    I am also unsure about what will happen in regards to Freeview/Top Up TV, BT Vision and Talk Talk
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    promo-onlypromo-only Posts: 3,315
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    Yes you will, plus you will also get one ESPN channel as well, price unknown at the moment for Sky customers and it may or may not be in Virgin's Size XL TV pack
    I am also unsure about what will happen in regards to Freeview/Top Up TV, BT Vision and Talk Talk

    Sky customers will not be transferred to the BT channels and we can say that with near certainty. Their ESPN subscription will simply be cancelled and no further payment taken beyond the final date of its current form. If the customer chooses to start up a fresh subscription with BT Sport then that's up to them to call the number provided by BT for satellite sales.

    As for it being in Virgins XL pack - there is currently no guarantee that it will be on cable at all. Probably... yes. Definitely... no.
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    d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,531
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    promo-only wrote: »
    Probably... yes. Definitely... no.

    I definitely maybe had to read that twice! :D;)
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    VisionMan1VisionMan1 Posts: 2,111
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    I definitely maybe had to read that twice! :D;)

    I think I maybe had to double take that post. Or maybe I definitely did. Or maybe I didn't at all. I dunno. Guess I just don't know what I'm talking about. :eek: :D
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    promo-only wrote: »
    Sky customers will not be transferred to the BT channels and we can say that with near certainty. Their ESPN subscription will simply be cancelled and no further payment taken beyond the final date of its current form. If the customer chooses to start up a fresh subscription with BT Sport then that's up to them to call the number provided by BT for satellite sales.

    As for it being in Virgins XL pack - there is currently no guarantee that it will be on cable at all. Probably... yes. Definitely... no.

    I'm not so sure. When you buy a business you normally buy their customers too. ESPN America, at least, is going to be continue broadcasting, although they'll be big numbers of cancellations to ESPN come April.
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    promo-onlypromo-only Posts: 3,315
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    indiekid76 wrote: »
    I'm not so sure. When you buy a business you normally buy their customers too. ESPN America, at least, is going to be continue broadcasting, although they'll be big numbers of cancellations to ESPN come April.

    Yeah I agree. But via the Sky platform ESPN don't deal with subscriptions or sales - they let Sky handle it directly so you call Sky and most importantly pay Sky each month. If it was the other way around could you see BT giving their subscriber details over to Sky or Virgin?

    ESPN don't have anything to do with the process and this is something that BT are looking to do different by retailing themselves.
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    BangersBangers Posts: 3,649
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    indiekid76 wrote: »
    Doesn't seem that BT are looking at broadcast channels for delivery.

    I disagree, otherwise why have they already secured two EPG slots on Sky, plus the the ESPN EPGs and satellite transmission contracts?
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    promo-onlypromo-only Posts: 3,315
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    Bangers wrote: »
    I disagree, otherwise why have they already secured two EPG slots on Sky, plus the the ESPN EPGs and satellite transmission contracts?

    I think that comment was more in relation to a TUTV deal which is fairly unknown territory. Obviously we know that BT will broadcast to their own customers as a linear streamed channel and to Sky customers as a 'traditional' broadcast channel but the big unknown is what will a) happen to the ESPN slot on TUTV and b) happen to the Sky Sports slots once they go streamed only to BT Vision customers.

    Would it really make that much difference if they took the stance of not making them available on DTT? After all, Sky Sports is only there for BT and they're paying a fortune for them so it'd make financial sense at least to pull the plug on them once they've got everybody switched over / able to continue their service via Infinity.
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    1andrew11andrew1 Posts: 4,088
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    indiekid76 wrote: »
    I'm not so sure. When you buy a business you normally buy their customers too. ESPN America, at least, is going to be continue broadcasting, although they'll be big numbers of cancellations to ESPN come April.
    When you buy a business, you do buy its customers. In ESPN's case, its customers are Virgin Media, Sky, TopUp TV, TalkTalk and BT Vision.
    Looking at Virgin as it is a closed platform, it has always made it clear that when subscribing to a bundle of channels, the actual channels in that bundle may vary from time to time, which is inevitable.
    I can imagine Virgin allowing XL customers who subscribed to that package for ESPN being allowed to downgrade with no penalty. Virgin may then give them free access for a couple of months to the BT Sport portfolio, discounted access for six months before charging them a slightly less discounted price if they retain the XL package. Assuming of course BT and Virgin are able to come to the appropriate carriage deals.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 302
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    It's interesting to note that on Twitter always say,' Yes, we will be on Sky' when people ask them, but they answered someone today saying, 'We'll let you know closer the date if/when we'll be on Virgin'.
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    promo-onlypromo-only Posts: 3,315
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    indiekid76 wrote: »
    It's interesting to note that on Twitter always say,' Yes, we will be on Sky' when people ask them, but they answered someone today saying, 'We'll let you know closer the date if/when we'll be on Virgin'.

    I can't remember what it was but I read something the other day and I'm sure it was from Marc Watson.

    It basically said that it would be available across all platforms... and 'possibly' cable too so it's not definite that it will be on there.

    If I can think on and find it, I'll post a link.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 301
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    promo-only wrote: »
    Obviously we know that BT will broadcast to their own customers as a linear streamed channel and to Sky customers as a 'traditional' broadcast channel but the big unknown is what will a) happen to the ESPN slot on TUTV and b) happen to the Sky Sports slots once they go streamed only to BT Vision customers.

    Would it really make that much difference if they took the stance of not making them available on DTT? After all, Sky Sports is only there for BT and they're paying a fortune for them so it'd make financial sense at least to pull the plug on them once they've got everybody switched over / able to continue their service via Infinity.

    As you say, BT's preferred route for broadcasting these channels is streaming these channels - however, there are still a lot of BT Vision customers who aren't in an Infinity area so surely BT will need to get their sports channel on freeview (channel 34) to ensure their non Infinity customers can still receive the BT sports channel. Otherwise you'd have a crazy situation where all sky customers could get BT Sports but only some BT Vision customers could get it. That could potentialy drive customers to Sky so that they could get BT Sports!
    Obviously in the longer term (18mths?) when Infinity has much wider coverage I can see, BT removing the channels from DTT.
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    promo-only wrote: »
    I can't remember what it was but I read something the other day and I'm sure it was from Marc Watson.

    It basically said that it would be available across all platforms... and 'possibly' cable too so it's not definite that it will be on there.

    If I can think on and find it, I'll post a link.

    Whilst BT Sport couldn't survive without Sky's 10m subscribers having access, Virgin isn't quite as important. It could be a useful tool in attracting customers away from Virgin (although they could go to Sky.)
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