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chattswho
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The multi coloured daleks. Are they still around somewhere or have they just been binned off never to be spoken of again...
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Horrendous coloured things they were - and the wrong shape!! Not Daleks at all!
I suppose the simplest theory is that, given that daleks can travel in time, we could encounter any type of dalek at any time.
Course, it could also be that the colour-coded super-daleks vanished out of existence during the big universal re-boot.
Must admit, I only really grasp the full implications of that for about half an hour after I watch it and then it all becomes a blur again.
They were last seen in Asylum of the Daleks, has there been a Universe Reboot since then?
I believe Moffat has said that they'll be used as an Officer Class for the Gold Daleks.
Well, I would say that since the Universe was rebooted in The Big Bang, they have gone from existence.
Good really!
The best voices have to be the Genesis ones too, followed by Nicholas Briggs from Nu-Who and the Day of the Daleks special edition on DVD.
;-)
The ones yesterday seemed to be standard stuck in time daleks, from before they discovered time travel perhaps.
Maybe this is how they will look to distinguish them from each other?
Those Bronze-style casings are the best IMO !!
My take on it (in terms of the DW universe, not the production of the TV show) is that they are still around but are all on Skaro and there's not that many of them. I see them as playing a special role in "Dalek society" - much like the pre-2005 series had other specialised Daleks. These ones may be "generals" - never on the front-line when they send the troops out to fight so we won't get to see them (except on special occasions, perhaps)
We saw a few of them in the Parliament Spaceship but the only beings we actually saw on Skaro were the Doctor and the female Dalek agent.
Apologies - you are absolutely right (again)
Exactly, Minky. My neighbour has one of these pumped up Minis on steroids, all blobular and brightly coloured. That's precisely what the unsuccessful redesign of the Daleks reminded me of, too.
The New Daleks - I don't mind the colours, I don't mind the fanned out mesh bits, I don't mind the fact that they are bigger, but for me, the reason these Daleks simply don't work, is that the shape is wrong. That wonderful silhouette, that classic design has always been the same. I have a model Dalek sitting on a shelf - the other day we had a power cut and I was walking around the house with a torch and when it hit the Dalek it cast a shadow higher on the wall. It was that brilliant shape. And, aged 47, it gave a me such a thrill. A Dalek shadow on my wall!!
RTD knew how important that shape was - which is why he insisted that the 21st Century Daleks should stick fairly close to the original Ray Cusick design, certainly in terms of proportions and angles. I'm still baffled as to why Moffat and Gatiss allowed this new design through - as massive fans themselves I'm surprised that they didn't realise how much the New Paradigm Daleks strayed from that classic Dalek shape.
Yes the smaller details have changed throughout Who's history - slats, slightly bigger skirts, different guns, eye-stalks, colours, and with the 2005 bronze models the whole thing was made to look tougher, more battle ready. But it was still the same shape, with the same proportions.
And that's what is so vital in making a Dalek a Dalek.
And that's why, by changing the proportions and losing that classic silhouette, I think that the Victory redesign failed.
Wasn't the red ranger called "Drone"? Bit depressing for the Bronze Daleks if they are a lower class than drone.
I was a little confused as to why the Doctor was surprised to be recognised by the "good" Dalek - I assume he was referring to being surprised that they recognising him despite his new face unless the Moff has already forgotten that he restored the Daleks memories of the Doctor in the Christmas special?
Except of course the Daleks "always" (unless the script demands otherwise)recognise the Doctor on sight, no matter the regeneration.
Truth is, everyone over the age of six realised that it was a cynical attempt to sell more toys in a saturated market.
As a retcon, that's not a bad idea but the hunchbacks were specifically called "new paradigm" - which means the intention always to make that shape the "new standard model".
The producers tried back-pedalling - they quickly said that the crapleks were just a few special ones and we'd still see lots of the old design - but they now seem to have decided that it's best to never mention the fugly things again. I'm almost surprised they didn't directly write them out when they re-wrote the time-snore ending.
But he didn't recognise him. As Journey's uncle explains, they had promised him a Doctor to fix him, and that's what he was asking - Are you my Doctor? But for dramatic effect, they shortened it to: Doctor...
Simplest explanation
Into the Dalek was set between Asylum and Time of the Doctor.
(made up dates)
Asylum is set in 2984 AD (Daleks forget who the Doctor is)
Into is set in 3167 AD (Daleks do not know who the Doctor is)
Time is set in 4521 - 5421 AD (Daleks find out who the Doctor is again).
Yes Daleks have Time Travel but that does not mean that any survivors (if there were any) of Trenzalore went back in time and sent out a Memo about the Doctor.
I hope not, they almost made the Daleks slightly interesting again...
but I do like the classic daleks in different colors like they did in the 60's movies .
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That would be my compromise - a FEW colours for the 2005 model Dalek - carefully chosen and still "military" looking rather than noddy-book primary colours. (For a laugh - green for land troops and RAF blue for flying Daleks - white only used for snow-terrain and khaki for deserts - and some red ones with fluffy black domes for special occasions and guard duty
Yes, but my point was the Doctor saying "How do you know me?" (or similar) as though he didn't expect a Dalek to recognise.
Asylum is definitely set some time after 4000 AD because there are Daleks from Kembel in there.
Some of the paradigm Daleks are around in 4015 (The Only Good Dalek)
The scene in Time where they find out who the Doctor is again is sometime (anywhere between 1 and 300 years) after 5123 when the Kovarian Chapter splinters away.
None of this necessarily matters because, from Victory Of The Daleks onwards, the Daleks have spread out across the galaxy in many factions. It's not about 'the last Daleks' anymore, they've rebuilt their empire to what it once was. They're all over the place! What's more, I don't think the Daleks would have sent ALL their fleets to Trenzalore, that would be putting their eggs in one basket.
Basically, Into The Dalek could be set any time from 4000 onwards.