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Your opinion on disruptive children in school?
Brookside
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The same few kids who disrupt everyday learning so achievement levels aren't being attained. The same kids who get all the attention and rewards and praise for doing stuff other kids do everyday not to mention the trouble other kids get in if they dare have one bad day a year!
It is hard to stomach.
I couldn't handle my children going through that and not getting good grades because a few kids like attention. Primary or High School wise!
It is hard to stomach.
I couldn't handle my children going through that and not getting good grades because a few kids like attention. Primary or High School wise!
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It's disgusting to know that these Neanderthals are allowed to hold other people back.
Whilst I'm at it.All of these non English speaking foreigners children.How much do they hold back the normal teaching process for English speaking children?.
I'd say it's quite a bit.How do the teachers get by with this?.
Via Eastern Ukraine.:p
It certainly is. Claimed to have ADHD or some other affliction. I went through schooling in the 50s and 60s and don't remember any of these.
Often when it comes to class performances, the trouble kids are given parts that they should not be given, to the detriment of the stronger performers, in an effort to appease the problem child.
When I went to school in the 1950's and 60's, classes were streamed by ability. The brightest children went into the A class, the next level was B class and so on down to D class.
The brightest kids were placed in their own intellectual group and learned at a pace that was commensurate with their ability. The not so bright were immediately identifiable to teachers and would be taught accordingly. If they learned at a slower pace, they did it as a group and didn't hold back the brighter ones.
At the end of every school year, each child would be reassessed and if some in, say, the C class had shown improvement, they would be moved up a level to B class the following year.
This system recognised that some children are not as clever as others. It helped the able ones to progress more quickly and identified the more needy. It also kept all the rotten eggs in one basket. The disruptive ones were placed in the D class where an eye could be kept on them.
It also provided an incentive for those who were hardworking, but not so clever, to improve themselves by sheer effort. Imagine the sense of achievement a child would get from being told he would be moved up from, say, C class to B class next year. What a fillip to his self esteem that would have been.... the recognition and achievement a child would feel for hard graft. Priceless.
I, of course, was A class all the way through my school career. <smug>
it was the best place for him, for him and "normal" kids he would have been in class with.
Oh God, here we go ....
I looked at the title of this thread and wondered how many posts it would take before someone popped up slagging off ADHD sufferers and announcing pointlessly "we never had it when I was at school" (answer: five posts).
Woodbush, the 50s and 60s were a time of relative ignorance when lots of psychiatric conditions weren't recognised - presumably you also dismiss Depression and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder on the same basis.
they were probably all in borstal or approved school in reality.
5% of students disrupt the learning of 100% of the class.
Just to correct you here, teachers don't diagnose anything. You're thinking of Doctors.
The notion that those at the bottom will simply give up and not bother is a somewhat depressing indictment of young people today.
Instead of quitting... capitulating... admitting defeat, how about instead they show some courage and do their damndest to improve...?
This, of course, would require the adults around them to support and encourage them. Show that they give a damn and are prepared to back it up with action.
It may be trite to say that "failure is not an option", but it doesn't have to be the only option.
As an adjunct to my comments above...... I sent my daughters to an independent school where the attitude was that "Every girl should learn at the pace of the fastest pupil".
It was a different mindset.... it challenged the students.... it set a standard for one and all to achieve.... It put down a marker and dared them to reach it.
In my opinion, setting a challenging target yields far greater results than pandering to faint hearted excuse making.
I think his 'leftie persuasion' teachers comment gave his intention of that post away
There's not one ounce of sense in this entire post.
I'm glad to see streaming is going on up there, Lady.
It's long been understood that the Scottish education system is better than the English one. When I was based at Rosyth back in the 70's other servicemen who relocated to Scotland with their families for the duration of their tour of duty would often say that their kids were doing better in school up there than they had done in England.
Glad to read that your boy's doing well. Good luck to him.
Thank you ! He graduated from Edinburgh University in July, and starts a post graduation degree at the College of Europe in Belgium tomorrow ! So proud
Some kids may have ADHD but other disruptive kids are just C***S.That don't want to lean .
Yes i now that. What teachers do is "unofficially" diagnose these conditions amongst themselves in the staff rooms, and disproportianately allocate all their time to the poor individual. To the massive detriment of all other class members.
I never actually wrote that.
Presume what the hell you want. You don't know me.
I presume this is what it's like at the school you teach at. That's very poor on a professional level, and will probably cause more harm than good. 'Diagnosing' a condition that a child may or may not have is for Doctors to do. You should have words with your fellow teachers.
i dont work at a school. I know many who do. My wife does. This is par for the course im afraid. I do, frequently, have words with my daughters teachers.