should we have govt controlled internet?

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    Fair enough, but then the people that already have to put up with such things in the likes of Russia, Pakistan, China and many other countries might just disagree that it's a good thing.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    Being followed by government officials is a new one and probably the funniest one so far. How many officals are there going to be? You're going to need tens of thousands of them.
    Now lets move on to the actual following. The fact they are following where you are going means they are not restricting you from going anywhere you to choose to go. If you want to go to the shops you go. If you want to go to the pub you go. You want to go to strip club and are over 18 you go.

    I have no problem with them following me around. I'll even talk to them and buy them a cup of tea when i'm out.
    I can't think of one person in my life who I would go and meet and have a conversation about drug smuggling, gun running or how the plans for the bank job are going. It's going to ne the family, the kids, hows the new job going, Grey's Anatomy and Eastenders. The latter two the government official is more than welcome to come and join in the chat if they wish.

    You're not very good at analogies are you?.

    OK, you have no problem with massive invasions of privacy, control and monitoring but most legal, law abiding people do have a problem with it.

    Governments are supposed to be controlled by the people, not the other way round I am afraid.

    But then again, it's not the likes of you and I such government are interested in, although such blanket monitoring does make it easier to find something, anything, to be used against someone they don't like.

    It's investigative journalists, political campaigners and opponents, bloggers and the like that are most worried.

    As I've said, we've already seen one example of someone's political affiliations being used against them despite their membership of UKIP having no bearing on their ability as parents and UKIP being a perfectly legal political party. Yet you cannot see how such things are wrong?. Weird.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    And your using a screenname on an anonymous internet forum, but not your full real name?. Why not?. After all, you have nothing to hide do you?. Or could it just be that you don't see why other members should know such details and you value your privacy?. If so, you fail to see the irony?.
  • wns_195wns_195 Posts: 13,556
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    There should be some restrictions on what people can do on the internet. For example, people shouldn't be able to abuse people online. There should also be some restrictions on what people can access on the internet. Access to adult content and sites that encourage self-harm, suicide or law breaking should be restricted. This can be done without monitoring everybody or inspecting computers.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,440
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    You're not very good at analogies are you?.

    OK, you have no problem with massive invasions of privacy, control and monitoring but most legal, law abiding people do have a problem with it.

    Governments are supposed to be controlled by the people, not the other way round I am afraid.

    I answered what you asked. You said about being followed, you didn't say restricted. If they are stopping you by telling you that you can't go somewhere that is different than just folowing you where you go isn't the same.

    Most people's day to day converstaion is so banal about x factor, family and friends there is nothing worth them having. Even if they heard me say that my mate got drunk and slept with a girl and his girlfriend doesn't know. He hasn't done anything criminal, it may be noted, stored and forgotten.

    The point I'm making is the parnoia that people have about "Big Brother" is ridculous because the scale of the operation and the economics of it make it unlikely that even if you are sat at home smoking a joint and get caught on a CCTV in your home it will go unnoticed because at least 95% of the footage won't be viewed until they have a reason to suspect you in the first place. It will just sit their stored away.

    The cost of having Governemnt officials following people on the off chance they do or say something incriminating or of worth noting down is so high it won't happen. A more realistic option would be compulsary tagging so they could track all your movements because machines don't get paid wages and have expense claims.

    No Governemnt is controlled by the people. They may vote them in, but once they are in they have all the power. No Governemnt can be run by the people because it doesn't work. A Governemnt passes a new bill or start changing things and makes cuts, the populous don't agree with it, they complain, they protest and it happens anyway. Why didn't the Government back down and say ok you control us and you've over ruled us?

    What will stop a lot of the things the scaremongers and paranoid people fear happening is the UK is a democracy. The Government can be voted out. The often used examples of Russia, China etc never had general election and more than one politcal party it was one ruling Governemnt for decades or centuries. They have total power. Here in the UK as soon as the people have had enough you are gone and voted out.

    You know that everything the Tories are currently doing when Labour get in they'll start changing it all again. Then the Tories will get back in and they'll change it all again. Remember all the fuss about ID cards? Never happened. The curfew for kids and teenagers to get them off the streets at night and stop binge drinking? Didn't happen.

    One of the biggest things that is keeping the UK Government in check is the House of Lords how long did they keep the fox hunting bill going through until Blair used a backdoor way to get it past them?

    All the while the UK has a two party system it's unlikely things will become like the old Russia or China because the Governemnt changes too often for it to happen
  • stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    wns_195 wrote: »
    There should be some restrictions on what people can do on the internet. For example, people shouldn't be able to abuse people online. There should also be some restrictions on what people can access on the internet. Access to adult content and sites that encourage self-harm, suicide or law breaking should be restricted. This can be done without monitoring everybody or inspecting computers.

    They should totally be allowed to write appalling poetry lionising wife-beaters, police informants and murderers, though.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,064
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    I seem to remember st Paul saying something that applies here. he said (I've put it into modern language but the sentiment is the same) "you may well be free, and have every kind of freedom and licence to do what you please but you shouldn't use your freedoms to go around doing all kinds of evil things, this would cause serious social problems and end in annarchy.

    it seems to me that this is what has happened today in society and on the internet.

    don't get me wrong I believe that the Media - TV - Internet and all other modern communication including satelite tracking, mapping etc etc. could be 'forces for good' in this modern world, they could make this world a much better place. we could change the course of history that seems to be heading 'head-long into self distruct' with local and global disasters getting more likely with every passing day. :eek::eek::eek::eek::(
  • O-JO-J Posts: 18,805
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    I think the government should block dodgy sites yes, and monitor the internet use of every single person, if you have nothing to hide what are you worried about, no one would see the records unless a court order was first obtained.

    I like to type in weird things in google, I dont want them watching what I do,
    I also like to watch porn in privacy, the next thing they might think of is to hack into webcams and watch you,
  • O-JO-J Posts: 18,805
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    And your using a screenname on an anonymous internet forum, but not your full real name?. Why not?. After all, you have nothing to hide do you?. Or could it just be that you don't see why other members should know such details and you value your privacy?. If so, you fail to see the irony?.

    I bet he deletes his history too :D:D
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