Neither Aleks or Alfie are perfect, Alfie shouldn't have said what he did and neither man has been totally truthful to their spouses, cheating or otherwise, I never said that Alfie didn't cheat on Roxy I said he didn't spend the night with Kat which he didn't.
And Kitkat, if you're not having a go at/bashing Alfie why do you feel the need to keep saying so?
You say you're not against Alfie but you're not with him and even though Aleks isn't perfect and is obviously hiding a secret to do with his situation back home you lean towards him rather than Alfie, in fact you lean towards anyone as long as it's not Alfie.
Aleks had at least two months to come clean to Roxy before Alfie found out. There was even a scene where Roxy said that Amy didn't need another dad, which lead to many members guessing that he was married. That was the ideal time to mention that he had a daughter at least.
Alfie told Kat he was separated just after they got together, when it was serious between them. When they were together briefly earlier that year, they didn't even sleep together so I'm not entirely surprised that his being married didn't come up.
Neither Aleks or Alfie are perfect, Alfie shouldn't have said what he did and neither man has been totally truthful to their spouses, cheating or otherwise, I never said that Alfie didn't cheat on Roxy I said he didn't spend the night with Kat which he didn't.
And Kitkat, if you're not having a go at/bashing Alfie why do you feel the need to keep saying so?
You say you're not against Alfie but you're not with him and even though Aleks isn't perfect and is obviously hiding a secret to do with his situation back home you lean towards him rather than Alfie, in fact you lean towards anyone as long as it's not Alfie.
Because i've been accused of it and the last statement simply isn't true.
I was totally on Alfie's side this time last year when Ronnie returned even though I find Ronnie the more interesting character. I was completely on Alfie's side all through 2011 and 2012 and hated Kat for the way she was treating him. I was on his side through most of the relationship with Roxy.
Maybe you should check my long term posting history before you accuse me of always being against Alfie. I don't like most of the actions he has taken since last November and say so however due to there being some fans who don't seem to want to hear a word against him and do accuse people of attacking him just for the sake of it I feel I need to qualify that it isn't a witch hunt on my part
I have characters I like better than others (of course I do) but it is wrong to suggest that Alfie has never been one of my faves because he has. But I view each storyline at the time and comment as I see it on how the characters behave and whether I think they are in the right or wrong.
I happen to think that whilst Aleks is very ambiguous, has done some very iffy things (pocketing the cash in his first week for example, not telling the stall holders about the possible closure, threatening Ian) in his dealings with Alfie he has been more sinned against than sinned. That is my opinion and I am entitled to say as much.
As i've alreasy said, I don't have to like the way the character is behaving to find them interesting, enjoy watching them and be a 'fan'. I love ian, he is probably my favourite character of all time and I will defend him but freely admit he is a slimy, nasty little git much of the time and many of his actions are just wrong. Doesn't stop me loving him, understanding why he behaves as he does but I have no issue with people that call him on his actions and dislike him.
Because i've been accused of it and the last statement simply isn't true.
I was totally on Alfie's side this time last year when Ronnie returned even though I find Ronnie the more interesting character. I was completely on Alfie's side all through 2011 and 2012 and hated Kat for the way she was treating him. I was on his side through most of the relationship with Roxy.
Maybe you should check my long term posting history before you accuse me of always being against Alfie. I don't like most of the actions he has taken since last November and say so however due to there being some fans who don't seem to want to hear a word against him and do accuse people of attacking him just for the sake of it I feel I need to qualify that it isn't a witch hunt on my part
I have characters I like better than others (of course I do) but it is wrong to suggest that Alfie has never been one of my faves because he has. But I view each storyline at the time and comment as I see it on how the characters behave and whether I think they are in the right or wrong.
I happen to think that whilst Aleks is very ambiguous, has done some very iffy things (pocketing the cash in his first week for example, not telling the stall holders about the possible closure, threatening Ian) in his dealings with Alfie he has been more sinned against than sinned. That is my opinion and I am entitled to say as much.
As i've alrasy said, I don't have to like the way the character is behaving to find them interesting, enjoy watching them and be a 'fan'. I love ian, he is probably my favourite character of all time and I will defend him but freely admit he is a slimy, nasty little git much of the time and many of his actions are just wrong. Doesn't stop me loving him, understanding why he behaves as he does but I have no issue with people that call him on his actions and dislike him.
I won't be going through your posting history because I don't need to as I am not accusing you of being against Alfie/bashing him for the sake of it/being on a witch hunt I just wondered why you needed to keep saying so and you have answered my question so thanks for that!
I have to say that this thread has amused me somewhat, seeing all this posts having a moan about what a "Character" in a soap opera said which was handed to him in the form of a little piece of paper known as a script. Regardless of his use in the soap, he was only doing what he is paid to do by producers. Still at least they have flipped the finger up at the PC brigade by having him say the line.
I won't be going through your posting history because I don't need to as I am not accusing you of being against Alfie/bashing him for the sake of it/being on a witch hunt I just wondered why you needed to keep saying so and you have answered my question so thanks for that!
Okay - thanks. I guess I just don't like being accused of things and go on the defensive. Apologies x
I have to say that this thread has amused me somewhat, seeing all this posts having a moan about what a "Character" in a soap opera said which was handed to him in the form of a little piece of paper known as a script. Regardless of his use in the soap, he was only doing what he is paid to do by producers. Still at least they have flipped the finger up at the PC brigade by having him say the line.
I think we are all aware that it i'd fiction and the actor is just doing what is written in the script.
But, this is a soap forum, one of which purposes is to discuss characters and their actions and motivations within the fictional universe created by the writers. If we all just had the 'he did it because the writers told him to' attitude no debate would ever last very long. In fact there would be no point to a soap forum at all except to talk about how pretty (or not) the looked in the episode.
What Alfie said was out of line but alek is also just as bad. Getting Tam to delete Alfie's message so he could take his stall off him knowing he needed it for his family.
Alfie lost his rag and said something stupid,we all know in real life rascist comments directed at eastern European people never happens in real life does it???
I am not racist at all but it's nice to see EastEnders getting it's balls back and sticking two fingers up to the PC Idiots.
More of this please EastEnders!
I agree with your comment Dan.
People dont like it but its how many feel whether its right or wrong. I personally think there are people from overseas who are willing to do a hard days graft where there are millions of lazy arse britains sat on their backsides happy to live off benefits so i say work away even if your not from our country. (and yes im perfectly aware of theres a difference between those who physically cant work) Infact do a house swap with the lazy arses so we have an island of workers not takers
Think it was pretty clear though Alfie was in the middle of some break down, as much as some dont like him i think hes a great bubbly character and have always liked him. He has his ups and he has his downs just as most people do.
If you want an example of real systematic racism take a look at what those poor girls in Rotherham went through because they were seen as 'easy meat' by a certain section of society.
And the f****g authorities covered it all up in the name of political correctness.
They did not give a shit about all those ruined lives. >:(
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Neither Aleks or Alfie are perfect, Alfie shouldn't have said what he did and neither man has been totally truthful to their spouses, cheating or otherwise, I never said that Alfie didn't cheat on Roxy I said he didn't spend the night with Kat which he didn't.
And Kitkat, if you're not having a go at/bashing Alfie why do you feel the need to keep saying so?
You say you're not against Alfie but you're not with him and even though Aleks isn't perfect and is obviously hiding a secret to do with his situation back home you lean towards him rather than Alfie, in fact you lean towards anyone as long as it's not Alfie.
Alfie told Kat he was separated just after they got together, when it was serious between them. When they were together briefly earlier that year, they didn't even sleep together so I'm not entirely surprised that his being married didn't come up.
Because i've been accused of it and the last statement simply isn't true.
I was totally on Alfie's side this time last year when Ronnie returned even though I find Ronnie the more interesting character. I was completely on Alfie's side all through 2011 and 2012 and hated Kat for the way she was treating him. I was on his side through most of the relationship with Roxy.
Maybe you should check my long term posting history before you accuse me of always being against Alfie. I don't like most of the actions he has taken since last November and say so however due to there being some fans who don't seem to want to hear a word against him and do accuse people of attacking him just for the sake of it I feel I need to qualify that it isn't a witch hunt on my part
I have characters I like better than others (of course I do) but it is wrong to suggest that Alfie has never been one of my faves because he has. But I view each storyline at the time and comment as I see it on how the characters behave and whether I think they are in the right or wrong.
I happen to think that whilst Aleks is very ambiguous, has done some very iffy things (pocketing the cash in his first week for example, not telling the stall holders about the possible closure, threatening Ian) in his dealings with Alfie he has been more sinned against than sinned. That is my opinion and I am entitled to say as much.
As i've alreasy said, I don't have to like the way the character is behaving to find them interesting, enjoy watching them and be a 'fan'. I love ian, he is probably my favourite character of all time and I will defend him but freely admit he is a slimy, nasty little git much of the time and many of his actions are just wrong. Doesn't stop me loving him, understanding why he behaves as he does but I have no issue with people that call him on his actions and dislike him.
I won't be going through your posting history because I don't need to as I am not accusing you of being against Alfie/bashing him for the sake of it/being on a witch hunt I just wondered why you needed to keep saying so and you have answered my question so thanks for that!
Hahaha that was ridiculous
Okay - thanks. I guess I just don't like being accused of things and go on the defensive. Apologies x
I think we are all aware that it i'd fiction and the actor is just doing what is written in the script.
But, this is a soap forum, one of which purposes is to discuss characters and their actions and motivations within the fictional universe created by the writers. If we all just had the 'he did it because the writers told him to' attitude no debate would ever last very long. In fact there would be no point to a soap forum at all except to talk about how pretty (or not) the looked in the episode.
That's fine, I can be defensive too and I guess I take the Alfie stuff too seriously.
I agree with your comment Dan.
People dont like it but its how many feel whether its right or wrong. I personally think there are people from overseas who are willing to do a hard days graft where there are millions of lazy arse britains sat on their backsides happy to live off benefits so i say work away even if your not from our country. (and yes im perfectly aware of theres a difference between those who physically cant work) Infact do a house swap with the lazy arses so we have an island of workers not takers
Think it was pretty clear though Alfie was in the middle of some break down, as much as some dont like him i think hes a great bubbly character and have always liked him. He has his ups and he has his downs just as most people do.
How is that comment disgusting it is realistic it happens everyday. They never said it was their personal opinion
Because something happens every day does not make it any less disgusting Does it?
If you want an example of real systematic racism take a look at what those poor girls in Rotherham went through because they were seen as 'easy meat' by a certain section of society.
And the f****g authorities covered it all up in the name of political correctness.
They did not give a shit about all those ruined lives. >:(
It's unpleasant to watch buts representative ovf real life there's no point sugar coating it