I know that some of you are but the way it comes across from those who possibly are not it's as if I hiding or fearful of expressing my views.
Do you ever really express a view? Usually you evade or ignore. Pretty much what you are doing now. Why make a thread if you don't have or won't give an opinion. I can guess what your opinion is though judging from previous run ins with you.
Why was he using his own books in literacy lessons?
I wouldn't object to him teaching tolerance, I would object if that was interfering with academic studying.
From the report, that is not made clear.
Would it be normal for a teacher to use lessons for promotion of their own material outside of lessons that are specifically about the subject?
Literacy?
There's quite a large body of existing work (understatement), recommended universally as being outstanding examples of writing, that surely should be the first choice for literacy classes.
What has his book about tackling Homophobia got to do with literacy?
Shakespeare, and lots of Classic children's' books to choose from, and they choose his book.
I don't think they were using it as a set text, somehow... it's a guide for teachers with lesson suggestions and stuff, as far as I can tell from reading the article. Don't worry, the kids were probably learning Shakespeare and classic children's books. They were also learning how not to be dicks.
And if you'd written a book about what was in your opinion the right way to teach, and you were a teacher, you'd have to have spectacularly low self-confidence not to teach according to what you'd said in the book- because it would have been written from your own experience as a teacher.
Is it a school's place to teach that Gay sex is ok.
Especially a primary school?
Sex wasn't a subject for the classroom when I was at school. It should have been. I had to read ancient old books to get very poor and often bigoted information as there was no internet in those days.
Is it a school's place to teach that Gay sex is ok.
Especially a primary school?
It's a school's responsibility to teach that *being gay* is ok. The only person who seems to think that means going into detail about various sex acts is yourself.
Sex wasn't a subject for the classroom when I was at school. It should have been. I had to read ancient old books to get very poor and often bigoted information as there was no internet in those days.
Sex wasn't a subject for the classroom when I was at school. It should have been. I had to read ancient old books to get very poor and often bigoted information as there was no internet in those days.
How did anyone find out how to have sex before the internet existed?
No, but it makes sense that you should air your opinion before you deride others for theirs. ;-) It also makes a discussion flow more smoothly when others don't have to second guess your opinion, only to be told "I never said that" over and over. ;-)
Sex wasn't a subject for the classroom when I was at school. It should have been. I had to read ancient old books to get very poor and often bigoted information as there was no internet in those days.
Stud, your profile says you are 41 - I'm 49, and we had sex education at school. They showed us the 'Living and Growing' series and we had a Q&A session after each programme.
Do you ever really express a view? Usually you evade or ignore. Pretty much what you are doing now. Why make a thread if you don't have or won't give an opinion. I can guess what your opinion is though judging from previous run ins with you.
Perhaps you missed it when I said look at post 19! So I'll say it again'look at post 19!!
Stud, your profile says you are 41 - I'm 49, and we had sex education at school. They showed us the 'Living and Growing' series and we had a Q&A session after each programme.
Thats what i got when i was at school. There was an Indian girl in my class at the time. Dunno what religion she was but I remember her parents requested she be exempt from the class. I dont recall there ever being a problem with that wish being granted unlike in this story
I'm not sure where hate for this guy is mentioned. They have not-as far as I know- objected to him teaching their children; they object to what he is teaching them; and surly that is their right.
Not necessarily. Should, for example, young earth creationists be able to influence what gets taught in the science class because it confilcts with their religious views?
Similarly, in an inclusive society which embraces equality in various areas, including sexuality, why should the views of objecting parents trump the values of that society?
What is this nonsense with some DS posters, who feel that they can't have a discussion without first hearing what the op has to say? Others apparently have managed it. But if you're that interested to know my thoughts post 19 and other post more or less say what I think.
No, they don't, you have been deliberately and visibly evasive about it.
For or against teaching about homosexuality in school?
For or against the acceptance of homosexuality in society?
Perhaps you missed it when I said look at post 19! So I'll say it again'look at post 19!!
I looked at it. You said the parents surely had the right to complain. I never asked you about that. I asked for your opinion on whether you thought they were right to do so, whether the book should have been removed, and whether you thought the teacher was right to resign.
How did anyone find out how to have sex before the internet existed?
Dictionaries and encyclopedias were my main sources of information as a teenager. James Bond books. Leo Kessler books were the first time I heard mention of slang names for penises.
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I know that some of you are but the way it comes across from those who possibly are not it's as if I hiding or fearful of expressing my views.
Then why not simply answer the questions I asked? Instead of deflecting everything and looking like you are without opinion, or scared to state them?
I think you have an opinion, it's probably not controversial at all, and what fun would that be if people agreed with you? ;-)
Do you ever really express a view? Usually you evade or ignore. Pretty much what you are doing now. Why make a thread if you don't have or won't give an opinion. I can guess what your opinion is though judging from previous run ins with you.
These days, there should be no need for "gay teacher". After all, you never see "heterosexual teacher".
I wouldn't object to him teaching tolerance, I would object if that was interfering with academic studying.
From the report, that is not made clear.
Would it be normal for a teacher to use lessons for promotion of their own material outside of lessons that are specifically about the subject?
Literacy?
There's quite a large body of existing work (understatement), recommended universally as being outstanding examples of writing, that surely should be the first choice for literacy classes.
I don't think they were using it as a set text, somehow... it's a guide for teachers with lesson suggestions and stuff, as far as I can tell from reading the article. Don't worry, the kids were probably learning Shakespeare and classic children's books. They were also learning how not to be dicks.
And if you'd written a book about what was in your opinion the right way to teach, and you were a teacher, you'd have to have spectacularly low self-confidence not to teach according to what you'd said in the book- because it would have been written from your own experience as a teacher.
To use an old forum cliche, maybe you can point out the part where he specifically taught that "gay sex is ok" ??
Sex wasn't a subject for the classroom when I was at school. It should have been. I had to read ancient old books to get very poor and often bigoted information as there was no internet in those days.
It's a school's responsibility to teach that *being gay* is ok. The only person who seems to think that means going into detail about various sex acts is yourself.
Back in my day we read Judy Blume.
I loved those books.
How did anyone find out how to have sex before the internet existed?
Whose opinion did I deride?
Answer my questions first, then I may answer yours. that seems fair. :cool:
Perhaps you missed it when I said look at post 19! So I'll say it again'look at post 19!!
And yes it's an agenda, he was teaching from a book he wrote on a subject that affects him personally
You mean your comment on post 19? Doesn't really say much or elaborate your thoughts so repeating LOOK AT POST 19 is kind of pointless
Thats what i got when i was at school. There was an Indian girl in my class at the time. Dunno what religion she was but I remember her parents requested she be exempt from the class. I dont recall there ever being a problem with that wish being granted unlike in this story
Not necessarily. Should, for example, young earth creationists be able to influence what gets taught in the science class because it confilcts with their religious views?
Similarly, in an inclusive society which embraces equality in various areas, including sexuality, why should the views of objecting parents trump the values of that society?
Nobody should be using religion to stifle equality and better education when it comes to the diversity of sexuality either.
The only "agenda" here is acceptance and teaching kids it's ok to be who you are
For or against teaching about homosexuality in school?
For or against the acceptance of homosexuality in society?
Simple enough to clear it up right away I think.
I looked at it. You said the parents surely had the right to complain. I never asked you about that. I asked for your opinion on whether you thought they were right to do so, whether the book should have been removed, and whether you thought the teacher was right to resign.
Dictionaries and encyclopedias were my main sources of information as a teenager. James Bond books. Leo Kessler books were the first time I heard mention of slang names for penises.
Hedge porn.
But aren't these parents using the classroom to push their agenda also? Their agenda is that it's wrong to teach that being gay is OK.
Religious schools also push their agenda and a daily basis in the classroom and assemblies Is that alright?