Ched Evans - why was he found guilty of rape?
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It goes without saying that rape is a most horrific crime, and offenders are the lowest of the low. But after reading up about the Ched Evans case, the question of whether he is guilty of rape seems like such a grey area.
The victim was apparently completely drunk at the time, and couldn't remember anything that happened. Plus Evans' friend Clayton MacDonald had sex with her moments before and wasn't found guilty, which I don't understand at all.
Their behaviour was pretty vile - preying on girls for the sole purpose of a one night stand. But was it rape?
This article gives a good factual account of what happened on the night in question: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2794715/predatory-soccer-stars-drunken-girl-seedy-night-premier-inn-richard-pendlebury-revisits-disturbing-events-led-rape-trial-ched-evans.html
The victim was apparently completely drunk at the time, and couldn't remember anything that happened. Plus Evans' friend Clayton MacDonald had sex with her moments before and wasn't found guilty, which I don't understand at all.
Their behaviour was pretty vile - preying on girls for the sole purpose of a one night stand. But was it rape?
This article gives a good factual account of what happened on the night in question: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2794715/predatory-soccer-stars-drunken-girl-seedy-night-premier-inn-richard-pendlebury-revisits-disturbing-events-led-rape-trial-ched-evans.html
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That begs the question of why the other person wasn't also guilty of rape. It also begs the question, is every case of drunken sex rape?
Pretty sure you're wrong about that it is not at all as simple as that
If it really was that simple, how did she get from sober enough to give consent to the first guy to too drunk to give consent to the second guy, in the intervening ten or fifteen minutes, I wonder.
She accompanied him to a hotel, which implies consent. Evans turned up after McDonald and the girl arrived in the hotel room.
In any case, why is there a new thread about this subject? What's wrong with the other two threads? This isn't the first time it happened either with so many duplicate threads this week. Is this a new form of attention-seeking or something?
At the most basic, there are witnesses to the girl and McDonald being together from a street to a hotel via a taxi. And there's no one but McDonald and Evans to witness the girl giving consent in the hotel room, even though both don't remember hearing her consenting. Both assumed she gave consent to one of them.
I did ask once to which she replied "why are u asking"
even if u was to ask every time how do u prove in court u got a yes? its just ur word against a female?
Let's suppose this scenario - you're having fun with your girlfriend who's been drinking, and you call your friend to let him know you have a girl in your room. He turns up with a couple of pals. He proceeds to have sex with your girlfriend while his pals try to film him and your girlfriend having sex. Do you believe that by having sex with him, she's given consent? How would your girlfriend react when she finds out next day that she had sex with your friend?
That's fair enough.
Really though. I was just wondering why anyone repeats the simplistic idea that drunk = incapable of giving consent in a case like this where there are two men involved, when one has been judged to be a rapist and one has not.
It is certainly not as simple as sober vs drunk in a case where the woman in question was no more drunk or sober in the first case of sex than she was in the second instance of sex.
my point is do people actually ask "can I have sex with you" ? as i dont.... have once to which my reply was why are u asking" lol even with my ex of 7 years I never asked if i could **** her nor non of the one nights I've had over the years - who actually asks a girl "can i have sex with you" so if u dont ask how do u get a consentual yes?
Who said it did?
So, she went when drunk to a room with a guy and they had sex, so, despite the fact that she was so drunk she couldn't remember the incident the next day, this is OK. However, when a second guy has sex with her in the same room just afterward this is rape becuase she was too drunk to give consent. That is just a bit strange. According to the case, she gave consent to the first sex but not to the second, otherwise both men would have been convicted of rape. She was filmed going with the first guy into the Hotel so that meant she gave consent to sex and therefore it wasn't rape. Er, not convinced of that myself.
Yeah that does seem to set a worrying precedent. If you went to a hotel with someone and they raped you they seem to have got a ready made defence.
Yes. That's what I think, and they had evidence that she was very drunk before she even got into the Hotel room. Also Ched only went there because the innocent guy called him up and invited him. Presumably this made him guilty. It's all a bit odd. I think they were both guilty to the same extent.
So that means that every woman that has ever 'pulled' a drunk man whom she fancies, is a rapist by that definition.
Ched Evans - butty jury didn't agree
This recent case mirrors the Evans/McDonald case in some respects:
A businessman accused of raping a drunken woman at a five-star hotel today has been acquitted after his lawyer claimed the woman got herself 'into a silly position'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797692/company-boss-accused-raping-woman-five-star-hotel-drunken-night-acquitted-lawyer-says-got-silly-position.html
The one whom the woman followed to the hotel room was acquitted of rape but another person was convicted of attempted rape.
I think they should have prosecuted the two videoing events too.
Another jury reached a similar decision in this case:
A businessman accused of raping a drunken woman at a five-star hotel today has been acquitted after his lawyer claimed the woman got herself 'into a silly position'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797692/company-boss-accused-raping-woman-five-star-hotel-drunken-night-acquitted-lawyer-says-got-silly-position.html