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Jihadi John's friend cannot be deported due to his Human Rights
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11442643/Jihadi-Johns-friend-cannot-be-deported-from-Britain.html
We are fighting a war with one hand tied behind our backs. With a Labour/SNP coalition looking like the next government, I don't rate our chances of winning.
We have to start treating these people as enemy combatants and not ordinary citizens or foreign residents. We have no proper border controls and are unable even to throw them out of the country.
Telegraph wrote:
Jihadi John's friend cannot be deported from Britain
Anger as terrorism suspect linked to Jihadi John used Human Rights Act to stay in the UK
An Al-Qaeda terrorism suspect closely connected to “Jihadi John” is living in London, having used the Human Rights Act to prevent the Government from deporting him.
Court papers obtained by The Telegraph disclose that the man is at the centre of a terror network that included his friend and associate Mohammed Emwazi, who last week was unmasked as “Jihadi John”.
The legal documents show how the suspect, originally from Ethiopia, has resisted deportation despite being a leading member of al-Shabaab, an al-Qaeda affiliate based in Somalia and responsible for a series of terrorist atrocities.
The man, who can, for legal reasons, be identified only as J1, has close links not only to Emwazi but also to a number of other jihadists, including one of the July 21 plotters, who tried to blow up the London Underground in 2005, and two al-Qaeda terrorists subsequently killed in US drone attacks in Somalia.
The size of Emwazi’s network and the near impossibility of deporting foreign jihadists within it illustrate how difficult it is for the Home Office and security services to control cells operating in the UK.
We are fighting a war with one hand tied behind our backs. With a Labour/SNP coalition looking like the next government, I don't rate our chances of winning.
The Government’s inability to deport J1, who was born in Ethiopia, will bolster demands for the Human Rights Act to be scrapped.
The Government’s case against him finally collapsed in the summer after a five-year legal battle when the senior diplomat in charge of trying to deport terrorists conceded that the system was not working.
The court documents involving J1 and another terror suspect, known as CE, a father of two who was born in Iran, detail a large network of jihadists operating in west London in 2011. CE cannot be deported either, having been given British citizenship in 2004.
The Home Office ordered J1’s deportation as a threat to national security as long ago as 2010 but his lawyers argued that his human rights would be breached if he were sent back to Ethiopia, where he could face detention and possible torture.
We have to start treating these people as enemy combatants and not ordinary citizens or foreign residents. We have no proper border controls and are unable even to throw them out of the country.
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So Antarctica? Are penguins halal?
Is it his best friend?
I think an island colony is a very good idea. The best idea is just to scrap the HRA and withdraw from the ECHR, but failing that we should use one of our overseas territories to dump these people.
It wouldn't be a British Guantanamo Bay because they would be free to leave any time they liked, if some country agreed to have them. The one place they would not be allowed would be Britain.
There's obviously a network in west London according to the newspapers maybe even at the school.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11442434/Ministers-order-inquiry-into-Jihadi-Johns-school.html
When they say friend, comrade might be a better word.
Or fellow hysterical freedom-hating nutcase?
the very reason they were put in place for cases like this.
Anything that annoys Shami Chakrabarti shouldn't be discounted and sadly this government did.
The CAGE news conference the other day should be a warning to a lot of groups out there be very selective when you throw support to someone or something. On issues like this its never straight forward. Radical preachers are prime example they attack everything about the state but don't mind living off it, and using the security it provides and using the fact we are a democracy.
I vote for 'Anthrax Island' in the far north of scotland.
There's only one person on a TPIM apparently.
Our security forces simply don't have the resources to watch all these people all the time and foil attacks. Labour actually had stronger controls than a Conservative/Liberal Democrat government.
We have to remove theses enemy combatants/Spys from the mainland and prevent them returning. Banishment is not the same as detention. They should count themselves lucky we don't put them in front of a firing squad, as they do not wear uniforms in the UK.
If we are at war with Islamic State, Al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab etc. then unless they respect the Geneva convention, we should be under no obligation to respect their rights, even as soldiers. People forget the rules of war work both ways. People like Shami think they just apply to us of course.
Our politicians seem to be living on planet liberal, where all their traditional powers to protect us have been contracted out to the UN, EU, ECHR, judges etc.
The UDRH militates against the use of internment, I guess.
Still blaming Labour?
We can blame the Conservatives when Labour do sod all about it either.
Good spinning fella.
Do something? Like what?
People can only be arrested and charged if they have done something unlawful.
Since we decided to have an open door policy (which I opposed) we have little or no control over who comes here and who stays here.
Any attempt to monitor these people is met with horror by the liberal left.
Because he's not been sentenced for a jailable crime.
"Having links to" isn't enough.
You were saying that he has resisted deportation which is his legal right. If he had done something unlawful then he could be arrested charged and tried
Close monitoring of such people by the security services might prove that they are behaving unlawfully but the liberal left are against that.
Although there is currently no law against 'being friends' with people there certainly are laws against conspiring to commit a crime. Sometimes it seems that it is the very idea of due process which enrages the right wing press.
Conspiracy can only be proved with the evidence of monitoring all contacts between suspects which the security services cannot do at present.
This is self-evidently untrue. In order to prove a charge of conspiracy the CPS just needs to prove that the parties have entered an agreement to commit a crime. This does not require the monitoring of all communications- if it did nobody would ever be convicted of a conspiracy charge.