Agreed, about time. Let's hope the review is as open and thorough as it can be, regardless of how bad it may make the police look. Total transparency is required imo.
About bloody time, the conduct of some of the police in this case has been disgraceful. It should be exposed for the absolute racist sham it was.
Agree.
I find the fact that the Met Pol had an officer 'with a foot inside the Lawrence camp' (not my words) running counterintelligence utterly repellant at a time when they were supposed to be supporting the family and solving the murder.
I find the fact that the Met Pol had an officer 'with a foot inside the Lawrence camp' (not my words) running counterintelligence utterly repellant at a time when they were supposed to be supporting the family and solving the murder.
Absolutely, it's abhorrent. All they wanted was to find that he had gang links, or drug links or crime links anything to drag his name through the mud.
I for one am so glad that nothing like that was ever found as it has exposed some of the corruption on the police force that has gone on and still goes on today.
Absolutely, it's abhorrent. All they wanted was to find that he had gang links, or drug links or crime links anything to drag his name through the mud.
I for one am so glad that nothing like that was ever found as it has exposed some of the corruption on the police force that has gone on and still goes on today.
But what about other controversial cases where smears were used. If a teenager has had problems with the law previously does that make it OK not to investigate his death, or to gun him down? What about the Hillsborough families also investigated for details to smear them with? Oh and last week the woman who was beaten up by the police and then insucessfuly prosecuted for assault.
Agreed, about time. Let's hope the review is as open and thorough as it can be, regardless of how bad it may make the police look. Total transparency is required imo.
This was the review, the review is over. The results have led to the Home Secretary to direct that an Inquiry will happen, to be led by a Judge. I believe the review has only found evidence to suspect one officer of corruption - a Detective Sergeant. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
Me too, I wish Doreen Lawrence would just go away and grieve in private, she got the Police designated as Institutionaly racist, so that they don't dare arrest black gangstas, and the ancient law of double jeopardy was abolished.
Me too, I wish Doreen Lawrence would just go away and grieve in private, she got the Police designated as Institutionaly racist, so that they don't dare arrest black gangstas, and the ancient law of double jeopardy was abolished.
Why should she go away from this case? From the reports, there has been a lot of corruption in this case. It stinks from start to finish.
This was the review, the review is over. The results have led to the Home Secretary to direct that an Inquiry will happen, to be led by a Judge. I believe the review has only found evidence to suspect one officer of corruption - a Detective Sergeant. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
Sorry, yes, you are right, and thank you for the clarification. My sentiment still remains and echos yours, and it will indeed be very interesting to see how this pans out.
I have no idea why some people say that this should be dropped or that the Lawrence family should forget it and move on. That attitude to me seems bizarre.
But what about other controversial cases where smears were used. If a teenager has had problems with the law previously does that make it OK not to investigate his death, or to gun him down? What about the Hillsborough families also investigated for details to smear them with? Oh and last week the woman who was beaten up by the police and then insucessfuly prosecuted for assault.
No of course not, but this was not an investigation it was a campaign.
In any instances of the police trying to create a smear campaign, it should be thoroughly investigated regardless of who it is that it is aimed at.
Me too, I wish Doreen Lawrence would just go away and grieve in private, she got the Police designated as Institutionaly racist, so that they don't dare arrest black gangstas, and the ancient law of double jeopardy was abolished.
The police were 'designated as institutionally racist' because they were - it wasn't by Mrs Lawrence's will.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that 'black gangstas' are not being arrested - I'd be interested to see it.
Changes to double jeopardy saw to it that a murdering bastard was brought to book and banged-up where he should be so what's your problem?
we got it ok? the police were incompetent racist scumbags
same as bloody sunday inquiry
stop wasting public money on lawyers to waffle on for another 5 years with no result
move on
It's about making it less likely to be repeated. Or for when it does, as it will, for the wheels of justice to work efficiently and quickly enough so that the corrupt are held responsible rather than promoted or pensioned out by the time the truth is revealed. There should be a possibility that police corruption and abuse can be tackled in a legal manner so that there is more trust in the system.
It seems one DS has been named as being corrupt here. If so, hopefully he will get the book thrown at him, and the same should apply to anyone else guilty of such behaviour.
According to the BBC One O'Clock News this is the turning point. Theresa May is to introduce a specific offence of police corruption with heavy penalties and she will make it easier for police "whistle blowers" (I didn't see the pun at the time) to report corruption.
Something certainly needs to be done, and pretty darned quickly too.
If there are any decent coppers out there, the current situation is not fair on them either.
Changes to double jeopardy saw to it that a murdering bastard was brought to book and banged-up where he should be so what's your problem?
the problem is that it now allows state persecution against an invididual to try them in court as many times as they want now until they get the guilty verdict they want no matter if the person is innocent or not
hasnt happened yet still early days but innocent people will be going to prison due to this change
According to the BBC One O'Clock News this is the turning point. Theresa May is to introduce a specific offence of police corruption with heavy penalties and she will make it easier for police "whistle blowers" (I didn't see the pun at the time) to report corruption.
Something certainly needs to be done, and pretty darned quickly too.
If there are any decent coppers out there, the current situation is not fair on them either.
Hard to imagine in your world I'm sure.
There are already plenty of serious offences to cover such behaviour, so I'm not sure what this new offence will be, or whether it is just headline grabbing.
the problem is that it now allows state persecution against an invididual to try them in court as many times as they want now until they get the guilty verdict they want no matter if the person is innocent or not
hasnt happened yet still early days but innocent people will be going to prison due to this change
Hasn't happened yet, because it is not intended, or allowed for the reasons you suggest.
we got it ok? the police were incompetent racist scumbags
same as bloody sunday inquiry
stop wasting public money on lawyers to waffle on for another 5 years with no result
move on
Quite agree. However, I don't think the Police were racist but I do think they were totally incompetent. The Police originally assumed that a drug dealer had been murdered and therefore didn't treat the case as seriously as they should have. They spied on the suspects secretly so originally they felt that they were justified to spy on the family of the victim.
I agree it's time to move on as the only people to benefit from any further investigation will be the lawyers and the liberal media shitstirrers.
A BBC presenter tried to make out this morning that the latest report states that the Police "smeared" the family of the victim. The local Labour MP had to point out to the BBC that this was untrue.
Me too, I wish Doreen Lawrence would just go away and grieve in private, she got the Police designated as Institutionaly racist, so that they don't dare arrest black gangstas, and the ancient law of double jeopardy was abolished.
I've been told that there is no official report/document to back up that claim. It was never actually said but is constantly repeated as if it was.
I've been told that there is no official report/document to back up that claim. It was never actually said but is constantly repeated as if it was.
The Macpherson Report did use the term, but the meaning of it is widely misunderstood. Many claim it accuses the Police in general of being racists, and by association, individual Officers are labelled with that tag. That is not what it meant.
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I find the fact that the Met Pol had an officer 'with a foot inside the Lawrence camp' (not my words) running counterintelligence utterly repellant at a time when they were supposed to be supporting the family and solving the murder.
Absolutely, it's abhorrent. All they wanted was to find that he had gang links, or drug links or crime links anything to drag his name through the mud.
I for one am so glad that nothing like that was ever found as it has exposed some of the corruption on the police force that has gone on and still goes on today.
It is newsworthy - a new Law of Police Corruption is going into the Statute Book because of it.
This was the review, the review is over. The results have led to the Home Secretary to direct that an Inquiry will happen, to be led by a Judge. I believe the review has only found evidence to suspect one officer of corruption - a Detective Sergeant. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
Me too, I wish Doreen Lawrence would just go away and grieve in private, she got the Police designated as Institutionaly racist, so that they don't dare arrest black gangstas, and the ancient law of double jeopardy was abolished.
we got it ok? the police were incompetent racist scumbags
same as bloody sunday inquiry
stop wasting public money on lawyers to waffle on for another 5 years with no result
move on
Why should she go away from this case? From the reports, there has been a lot of corruption in this case. It stinks from start to finish.
Sorry, yes, you are right, and thank you for the clarification. My sentiment still remains and echos yours, and it will indeed be very interesting to see how this pans out.
I have no idea why some people say that this should be dropped or that the Lawrence family should forget it and move on. That attitude to me seems bizarre.
Would you have the same thoughts if one of your loved ones got murdered by hardened racists and it became known that the case was full of corruption?
No of course not, but this was not an investigation it was a campaign.
In any instances of the police trying to create a smear campaign, it should be thoroughly investigated regardless of who it is that it is aimed at.
A very valid point. If there has been corruption/ racism etc I'd be happy for them to spend whatever length of time necessary to expose it.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that 'black gangstas' are not being arrested - I'd be interested to see it.
Changes to double jeopardy saw to it that a murdering bastard was brought to book and banged-up where he should be so what's your problem?
Something certainly needs to be done, and pretty darned quickly too.
If there are any decent coppers out there, the current situation is not fair on them either.
the problem is that it now allows state persecution against an invididual to try them in court as many times as they want now until they get the guilty verdict they want no matter if the person is innocent or not
hasnt happened yet still early days but innocent people will be going to prison due to this change
Hard to imagine in your world I'm sure.
There are already plenty of serious offences to cover such behaviour, so I'm not sure what this new offence will be, or whether it is just headline grabbing.
Hasn't happened yet, because it is not intended, or allowed for the reasons you suggest.
Quite agree. However, I don't think the Police were racist but I do think they were totally incompetent. The Police originally assumed that a drug dealer had been murdered and therefore didn't treat the case as seriously as they should have. They spied on the suspects secretly so originally they felt that they were justified to spy on the family of the victim.
I agree it's time to move on as the only people to benefit from any further investigation will be the lawyers and the liberal media shitstirrers.
A BBC presenter tried to make out this morning that the latest report states that the Police "smeared" the family of the victim. The local Labour MP had to point out to the BBC that this was untrue.
I've been told that there is no official report/document to back up that claim. It was never actually said but is constantly repeated as if it was.
The Macpherson Report did use the term, but the meaning of it is widely misunderstood. Many claim it accuses the Police in general of being racists, and by association, individual Officers are labelled with that tag. That is not what it meant.