Iphone can't use Amazon mp3's ?

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  • Matt DMatt D Posts: 13,153
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    I'm sure everyone can come up with a very specific use case for themselves that they couldn't do on rival phones. For instance, my phone is set to automatically go into silent during the hours I normally work, plus anytime outside those hours if it knows (from the calendar) that I'm in a meeting or work related event. It also lowers the volume during the hours I'm asleep and increases it during the evening when I would tend to be away from my phone (at home) or in a louder environment (restaurant/bar etc.). It turns bluetooth on when I am a certain distance away from my house, in case I am driving and need it on, and switches it back off again to conserve battery if I am at home or work and don't. It offers reminder beeps/vibrations for missed calls only from certain people (close family, other half etc.) whilst ignoring others, and it does all this from one single app - Tasker. I couldn't do all this with one app (or, to the best of my knowledge, even with several) on the iPhone, but it's a very specific to me use case and not a satisfactory argument in favour of one phone or against another.

    For the vast majority of users, in general terms there is little that the iPhone can do that other phones can't, and there's little that other phones can do that the iPhone can't. It's silly to think otherwise, really.
    That you can plug a guitar or keyboard in it? Most people (including me) don't play either and even if they do not on an iPhone. I could easily say "on Android I can change the onscreen QWERTY keyboard, the SMS app, the entire look" etc which you can't do on iPhones cos Apple have walled IOS.

    I'm sure there are other things iPhones can do that Android, Windows phones etc can't but in turn there's things you can do on them phones that you can't on iPhones cos of the walled OS.

    Not trying to nitpick or start an argument just pointing it. My mate couldn't block a number on her iPhone, I suggested a 3rd party app and she looked but there were none. On Androids theres loads.

    Its each to their own at the end of the day.
    Err, you mean he has a specific App that is only available on Iphone.

    Yes, so what?

    Dan said "I chose the iPhone because it does things other phones simply can't do" and was asked "Like?".

    I posted a link to another thread where he explained the specific use he has, that you can not currently do on anything else.

    It doesn't matter that most people don't play guitar, or that other phones can go silent during worktime and turn on Bluetooth when near home: The question was regarding why Dan in particular chose the iPhone and what his specific iPhone-only use was.

    Of course other phones do other things the iPhone does not. That was not the point. The point was that, for Dan, the iPhone does something others do not.

    What is it with this forum? Someone simply says that for them the iPhone is ideal because of a specific use for them, and after being asked what that use is, people come back with "oh well, so what, you can do xyz on Android and not iOS". Of course you can! That was not the point. This was an example of, for Dan, a (to quote "pi r squared")
    very specific use case for themselves that they couldn't do on rival phones
    Seriously though, I don't own a high end phone of either brand but my daughter went and bought a Samsung tablet to watch movies online and she was advised that the ipad couldn't do it because it had no flash support.

    Adobe is not going to phase it out anytime soon, they may stop development of it but it is never going to stop because so many sites use it, not just for video but to run all sorts of online content including games.

    What kind of films? Where?

    I can use iPlayer, 4oD, ITV Player, Demand 5, Sky Go (live and on-demand Sky content), TV Catchup (live Freeview channels), Netflix, Lovefilm, YouTube and more on my iPad, without Flash.

    I can watch MP4 video files on my iPad using the built-in Videos app.

    I can watch AVI, MKV, WMV and many other video files using AVPlayerHD or a variety of other video-players. I can transfer the files to the iPad (without needing iTunes) and play them locally, or I can stream them from my computer.

    Mobile Flash is dying out.

    Abode has stopped development of it in favour of HTML5, and it is not even provided or supported on Jelly Bean or above.

    The BBC had to go and develop a new app for iPlayer, using Flash within Adobe Air, because of Flash no longer being provided or supported on the latest version of Android (and the only reason they even stuck with Flash, albeit now via Air, was that HLS isn't supported by versions of Android earlier than Honeycomb).

    Sure, game sites use it, but even those are starting to offer HTML5.


    As more and more people (gradually) switch to Jelly Bean, the proportion of Android devices out there that can play Flash without the user having to mess around to specifically install it will decrease.

    Couple that with the Adobe not developing or supporting it anymore for mobile devices, with the iPad's dominance of the tablet market, and with iOS' share of mobile web traffic, and there will be less and less of a need for Flash.
  • pi r squaredpi r squared Posts: 4,272
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    Matt D wrote: »
    Yes, so what?

    Dan said "I chose the iPhone because it does things other phones simply can't do" and was asked "Like?".

    I posted a link to another thread where he explained the specific use he has, that you can not currently do on anything else.
    Yeah, sorry, my mistake - didn't realise it was the same person in both cases. It seemed that you had simply quoted a specific-use case as a general counterpoint to MGS's "like?" - I didn't realise you were specifically answering that question for that individual.

    :)
  • Matt DMatt D Posts: 13,153
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    Ha, my fault. I should have quoted Dan's post from the other thread, instead of only providing a link :)
  • the chimpthe chimp Posts: 12,139
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    Matt D wrote: »

    What kind of films? Where?



    Mobile Flash *is* dying out.

    Abode has stopped development of it in favour of HTML5, and it is not even supported on Jelly Bean or above.
    On the first one it will be on one of thousands of streaming sites that use flash.

    On the second one you will still be able to use flash on jelly bean devices.
  • Matt DMatt D Posts: 13,153
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    Yes, but it is not provided or supported and Adobe has ceased development.
  • whoever,heywhoever,hey Posts: 30,992
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    Isn't not being able to use proprietary software/hardware on a device a bit obvious? Obviously if i like the PS3 sixaxis controller i'm not going to buy and Xbox!!!! :rolleyes:
  • Matt DMatt D Posts: 13,153
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    What proprietary hardware?
  • the chimpthe chimp Posts: 12,139
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    Matt D wrote: »
    Yes, but it is not provided or supported and Adobe has ceased development.

    No matter as you can still use it, unlike on apple devices where you don't have the choice, which still annoys me on my iPad, with flash it would be just about perfect.
  • whoever,heywhoever,hey Posts: 30,992
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    Matt D wrote: »
    What proprietary hardware?

    The hardware is my console controller example.
    The software is garage band.
  • Matt DMatt D Posts: 13,153
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    The hardware is my console controller example.
    The software is garage band.

    And again I say... so what? Of course it is obvious.

    Dan said that for him the iPhone does things that other phones cannot do, hence at the moment it is the best choice for him. People asked what, so I provided a link to where he had explained previously.

    Obviously if a phone can do something that other phones cannot do then it will be down to something like that.

    The point is that, for Dan, the iPhone is the best choice because of this particular feature.

    (Much to other people's shock and horror that there is something the iPhone is capable of that other phones are not.
    - "The iPhone can do something I use that other phones cannot do".
    - "Yeah, like what?"
    - "<this>"
    -"Meh, so what. All phone can do unique or proprietary things" :rolleyes:)



    Other people will like things particular to Android in general, or perhaps particular to TouchWiz, and so an Android phone or a Samsung phone is the best choice for them.
  • Dan SetteDan Sette Posts: 5,816
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    Like?

    I didn't take it as argumentative.

    Firstly. I'm not an Apple slave. I've been around phones long enough to have tried many generations of different companies phones as they attempted to perfect the smartphone. To date no one has achieved the perfect phone.

    I always look at the latest models, in case there is something unique - the killer USP - to make me change from any current phone I have.

    I have stuck with the iPhone (and I was tempted by another phone - screen size mainly) because of one (currently) unique feature.

    On a Mac there is a programme called GarageBand. It is a stripped down version of Logic Studio - but it still talks to its big brother.

    There are versions of GarageBand for the iPad and iPhone.

    Using a "gizmo" (Apogee Jam) you can plug an instrument directly into the iPhone - guitar, keyboard etc - and via headphones have access to different guitar rigs and effects.

    Handy if away from home. You can practise just using the iPhone and headphones (saves lugging an amp and cables) without disturbing anyone on the other side of thin hotel walls.

    If the muse strikes, you can record onto the iPhone, which then sends the recording (if you desire to its bigger brother)

    You can also play along to the recording with no delay (latency). I take on board that it is a fairly minority requirement. However there is enough demand from musicians around the world for a major player in the musical market like Apogee to make a specific ADC item to enable instruments to be connected,

    Plus all the other things that a Smartphone can do. That's the main reason I've stuck with the iPhone.

    And yes. I did rise to the bait. It appears that if anyone buys into an Apple product, it seems their sanity is questioned. I got the phone I did because it does things I specifically need. It won't suit everyone - but then no phone can.
  • whoever,heywhoever,hey Posts: 30,992
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    Matt D wrote: »
    And again I say... so what? Of course it is obvious.

    Dan said that for him the iPhone does things that other phones cannot do, hence at the moment it is the best choice for him.

    Obviously if a phone can do something that other phones cannot do then it will be down to something like that.

    The point is that, for Dan, the iPhone is the best choice because of this particular feature.

    Other people will like things particular to Android in general, or perhaps particular to TouchWiz, and so an Android phone or a Samsung phone is the best choice for them.

    When people ask about what come my phone or OS do i really dont think they mean things like that though. I know i dont mean that anyway. Maybe others do.

    As a software example its like saying i cant run windows calculator on my mac!
  • Matt DMatt D Posts: 13,153
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    Dan Sette wrote: »
    IIt appears that if anyone buys into an Apple product, it seems their sanity is questioned.

    It does seem that way at DS the majority of the time.

    Some people here at DS seem to delight in jumping into *any* Apple-related thread solely to slag off Apple, Apple products, and Apple customers.

    Although this thread has actually been better than most! :) Actually not a bad discussion, despite starting as blatant flamebait ;)
  • muntamunta Posts: 18,285
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    the chimp wrote: »
    He obviously wasn't on about legal stuff, on android you can watch films and football (inc PL live at 3 on a Saturday) as well as other things like downloading free mp3's etc. which you simply can't do on an iPad due to lack of flash and the walled garden.

    Funny enough the first thing I thought wasn't 'oh I bet they are looking for a device that enables them to infringe copyright'. So, it's not that obvious what they were talking about.
  • whoever,heywhoever,hey Posts: 30,992
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    I'd forgotten about all the details of how you use your iphone actually Dan Sette.

    You probs cant do that on any other phone, but its a very niche area.
  • the chimpthe chimp Posts: 12,139
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    munta wrote: »
    Funny enough the first thing I thought wasn't 'oh I bet they are looking for a device that enables them to infringe copyright'. So, it's not that obvious what they were talking about.
    It is pretty obvious to me seeing as everybody knows you can get the things you mentioned, one thing you can't get though is the thousands of flash sites that stream these things for free.
  • whoever,heywhoever,hey Posts: 30,992
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    I really missed being able to play flash games on my iphone :( Forget videos.
  • muntamunta Posts: 18,285
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    the chimp wrote: »
    It is pretty obvious to me seeing as everybody knows you can get the things you mentioned, one thing you can't get though is the thousands of flash sites that stream these things for free.

    Everyone knows you can download child porn but that's not the first thing I think of when people ask for advice on downloading pictures.
  • Everything GoesEverything Goes Posts: 12,972
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    If only PC manufactures followed the same walled garden approach as Apple. Dell, HP, Acer and Toshiba etc could have their own Music and App store and you wouldn't be allowed to download from anywhere else.

    Great idea :rolleyes:
  • the chimpthe chimp Posts: 12,139
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    munta wrote: »
    Everyone knows you can download child porn but that's not the first thing I think of when people ask for advice on downloading pictures.
    Explain the connection to the discussion ?
  • muntamunta Posts: 18,285
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    the chimp wrote: »
    Explain the connection to the discussion ?

    Just that I don't assume people are wanting to break the law. That's all.
  • the chimpthe chimp Posts: 12,139
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    munta wrote: »
    Just that I don't assume people are wanting to break the law. That's all.
    It was pretty obvious to me.
  • whoever,heywhoever,hey Posts: 30,992
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    munta wrote: »
    Just that I don't assume people are wanting to break the law. That's all.

    The last time i checked www.shockwave.com wasn't breaking the law :rolleyes:
  • PretinamaPretinama Posts: 6,069
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    So in order to get the functionality of a £50 normal phone on your £500 iPhone, you need to purchase a £500 computer and install some apple bloatware?

    Or you could have bought something that meets your needs rather than getting something that doesn't? But Amazon purchased MP3s do play on iDevices.
  • muntamunta Posts: 18,285
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    The last time i checked www.shockwave.com wasn't breaking the law :rolleyes:

    The last time I read the post in question, shockwave wasn't mentioned :rolleyes:
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