Why all the hate towards students?
vintage_girl
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Following on from all the threads about the student protests...lots of people go on about how students are lazy and spoilt, and usually the phrase "university of life" gets thrown around. Is this just a case of sour grapes, or has the value of university really sunk this much?
I know there are some students who just go for the piss up, but they usually don't last long. The majority, once the novelty of being away from home has worn off, settle down into serious studying. In every discussion about fees, there's a general outcry of "Why should I, the taxpayer, pay for their education?"
Well, If everyone went to "the university of life", as some proudly call it, then who would treat them when they're ill, or teach their children, or become the future leaders of the country etc?
As I said on the other thread, I do think that silly courses like Surf Science and Film Studies should be cut out, (or self funded) but surely the traditional academic subjects should be free, or at least cost less?
I know there are some students who just go for the piss up, but they usually don't last long. The majority, once the novelty of being away from home has worn off, settle down into serious studying. In every discussion about fees, there's a general outcry of "Why should I, the taxpayer, pay for their education?"
Well, If everyone went to "the university of life", as some proudly call it, then who would treat them when they're ill, or teach their children, or become the future leaders of the country etc?
As I said on the other thread, I do think that silly courses like Surf Science and Film Studies should be cut out, (or self funded) but surely the traditional academic subjects should be free, or at least cost less?
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Students want it all done for them. If its that important people wont mind paying for it.
Unfortunately, they've been allowed to grow up with a sense of entitlement. Now, that's going to have to change.
But there are always people in far worse situations. It's not a case of whether people mind paying for it, it's a case of whether they can or not. So much talent will be wasted, because let's face it, people from a less well off background will be reluctant to get into so much debt- unless your family is rich, it's a big gamble.
But surely everyone is, or should be entitled to study in exchange for a reasonable fee? 9000 year isn't reasonable at all. Why aren't they cutting bankers' bonuses instead?
No-one is stripping education from our youth-they're entitled to a state funded education, and they get it. From age five to age sixteen. After that, they're adults-if they want to stay in education, they can pay for it. The country can no longer afford to.
We already ARE paying for it. Most people are objecting to the fees tripling overnight.
And they do, eventually. How many people in the world leave high school with 20/30 grand in their pockets? Very very few. Unless you think education should be left to the elite, then your arguement is dead in the water.
Also, stereotypes.
But how do they pay for it? They end up either getting into huge debt or getting it funded by their parents. The point is that university is supposed to be granted to people on ability not on how well off their parents happen to be.
Saying that, the large tuitiion fees in the States doesn't seem to have put many people off there
My older family members hate all students and seem to think they get loans and just blow it all on booze and parties and cant be bothered to make a try at being clean.
I know its not true, I work so cant be a student but if I went to uni I would still be me. My mate is a student though and at uni and is very very clean (room and self), spends his loan on books, rent, food, equipment etc. His party money or going out money comes from his part time job he works aswell as being at uni 5 days a week he works 2 or 3 nights a week and all day saturday.
More than I could do thats for sure. Not all students are bad and fit the stereotype, Its just bad press. Mind you the riots dont exactly help their cause and just means the goverment forks out more to clean up resulting in less money for them lol kinda backwards if you ask me.
Not exclusively they aren't.
So what you are saying is people who don't go to Uni are not the future of this country.
Nice. *thumbs up*
Would these be the same students who end up moving abroad to work by any chance?
Yet many Government jobs let you in at a higher level automatically if you have a 'useless' degree?
Shows how very very little you know.
For every sociology or arts graduate there is a traffic warden or local government pencil pusher. Besides a lot of arts graduates end up being placed in white collar management based jobs partly due to the skills they learnt at universiy, rather than the actual facts of what they learnt.
Go figure.
Whats to go figure? That someone with a 'useless' degree has managed to use said degree to get a well placed job compared to someone without one who starts in admin?
I very much agree with him on this.