As usual on here loads of support for the little brat of a child. Probably by people who have never had the misfortune of meeting, or having to deal with one.
The kids know full well they cant be touched AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE LIKE THIS. oh and because they usually have an arse of a parent who would support their behaviour, probably by landing one on the bus drivers nose for causing his child embarrasment.
Those rules dont have much power.. My daughter buses to school every day.. Her school is miles away.. She has to get the bus at 7am every morning.. More than once the driver refuses her as he will claim he has no change (she needs two weekly passes, both over £8.. She always has 2 x £10 notes.. Normally the driver SHOULD let her stay on and wait for some change if they dont have enough.. They dont though.. I've even complained to STagecoach about it, so have the school.. The bus company is NOT obliged.
I can understand your concern for your daughter. However, if you know this is an issue, why not just give her the correct money for the passes so that she doesn't keep having to have the debate with the drivers, instead of giving her two £10 notes that you already know may cause a problem for her? You're elsewhere while she's the one having to deal with the drivers. Couldn't you get the correct money for her together during the previous week so that she doesn't have this start to her day? Even if they're normally supposed to let her stay on, you know that some of them don't, so why not spare her the aggro of having to deal with the ones that don't?
Someone turf him off and damn the consequences.It's up to us as a society to say enough to these shits.
Sounds good from the safety of the internets. Real life work different though. Would you be willing to do it knowing that if the kid told a copper that you had laid your hands on him then they are duty bound to launch an investigation into it? Its frustrating in the extreme I agree but thats the reality.
If I pulled that sort of stunt when I was 10 (early 80's) then I would've got numerous clips round the ear from the driver, other passengers and then a proper hiding when I got home if my mum found out. Sadly we are no longer living in an age of common sense. The hand-wringing clowns and do-gooders have won and this is their world we are now living in.
Which again begs my question why did the driver allow this kid to enter the bus in the first place?
Sometimes children squeeze on with other people boarding. The way I read it (going by the OP saying "next thing"), as soon as the driver saw him he said he wasn't moving the bus until the boy came off. The boy's response to the driver "Not got it, too bad eh?" as well as the rest of it tells me this was a lairy child who expected to get his own way regardless of other people.
You already posted that once Rosemary. How did the kid in question get on the bus in the first place without paying the driver?
Sorry, I pressed quote instead of edit (got a mad dog pestering me for a walk atm)
It was a few years ago now 79/80 something like that, so most buses still had conductors, it was them actually who let him on, some even gave him sandwhiches and stuff, I suppose they felt sorry for him..some would chase him up the road though, with him swearing and making gestures at him, which we all thought was hilerious , but it was an outragous and shocking thing to see at the time.
He was a very young looking 10 year old if I remember correctly. We used to give him money and sweets...and of course the older boys gave him glue and drink :mad:
I don't know what happened to him in the end, because I stopped hanging around with the kids in that area, so didn't use those buses anymore
Perhaps it is a cry for help? he is very young and perhaps he wanders around on buses because it is preferable to going home? Perhaps he is abused at home and travels around looking for attention?
We dont know his circumstances but because of his tender age he should have been taken to where he wanted to go for his safety.
If any of the above is true, makes the below look quite trivial.
Which again begs my question why did the driver allow this kid to enter the bus in the first place?
There had been a very long queue of passengers and he sneaked in near the end and sat near the front, at first I felt for the boy, until I noticed his attitude to the driver asking him to get off the bus. he didnt turn a hair , went on drinking from is bottle and wasnt one bit embarrassed, I suppose the driver has to see if he will pay , as passengers might have reported the driver for refusing a child to board without reason..whatever the reason this driver wanted that boy off at any cost.
As usual on here loads of support for the little brat of a child. Probably by people who have never had the misfortune of meeting, or having to deal with one.
Did you read the thread? There's about three of us not wanting to hang, draw and quarter the child.
If you were getting kicked off a bus I was sitting on I would give a cuss.
Thank you. If I was getting kicked off, it wouldn't be because I hadn't paid my fare & wasn't willing to, & I wouldn't be abusing the driver either, so maybe you might want to add an exclusion clause to that as I might be up to God knows what instead.
Did you read the thread? There's about three of us not wanting to hang, draw and quarter the child.
One of those situations Pamela when you have to have been there, I would have given the boy his fare if I hadnt witnessed the horrible tirade of obscenities he threw at the driver .
There had been a very long queue of passengers and he sneaked in near the end and sat near the front, at first I felt for the boy, until I noticed his attitude to the driver asking him to get off the bus. he didnt turn a hair , went on drinking from is bottle and wasnt one bit embarrassed, I suppose the driver has to see if he will pay , as passengers might have reported the driver for refusing a child to board without reason..whatever the reason this driver wanted that boy off at any cost.
Ah ok. The fact that he sat near the front sort of suggests that he was hoping the driver would notice him.
My dad left us when I was born and my Mum was left to raise me and my older brother alone. She held down two jobs and when I look back at old photos from that time I see just how hard life was.
So now (in my 50's) I'm going to embark upon a life of glue, drugs and alcohol and go around threatening people and nicking stuff. It'll be alright, I'm from a broken home, y'know.
This child didn't sound very 'alone and frightened to me. Such phrases as 'no money - tough luck' sound more like bare-faced defiance to me.
The fact that he had sweets and a drink would indicate that he had money on him. Of course he could have blown his cash on the drink & sweets, leaving him wothout - but whose fault is that?
No, here we have a child who will grow up thinking everything is someone elses fault and the world owes him a living. And social services will do nowt to change that.
Sounds good from the safety of the internets. Real life work different though. Would you be willing to do it knowing that if the kid told a copper that you had laid your hands on him then they are duty bound to launch an investigation into it? Its frustrating in the extreme I agree but thats the reality.
If I pulled that sort of stunt when I was 10 (early 80's) then I would've got numerous clips round the ear from the driver, other passengers and then a proper hiding when I got home if my mum found out. Sadly we are no longer living in an age of common sense. The hand-wringing clowns and do-gooders have won and this is their world we are now living in.
Yes I would. I'm getting bloody sick to death of this whole situation we seem to find ourselves in these days. My hope is that the other bus passengers would (should) be on your side.
Did you read the thread? There's about three of us not wanting to hang, draw and quarter the child.
Well thats 3 too many.
That would be the same 3 (loudest) people on the bus sticking up for the poor little baby.
And the same 3 people who would explain to the poilce how roughly the boy was handled if physically removed from the bus. (not hung, drawn, or quartered - no need to exagerate the injuries - especially to the police)
The problem is there is no unity between adults on how children should behave.
The other people on the bus should back you up. Children don't get the better of adults.
What do you mean? The child did not get the best of the situation. All that was called for was a little patience. It is a virtue and it was rewarded without any physical intervention which is not the best way. I fail to see what really went wrong here. A child was naughty but didn't get his own way by being cheeky. People may have been put to a little inconvenience but you don't get something for nothing.
Once again we have people on here defending this little s*it.
This wasn't a one off the kid is trouble all the time.He probably gets on the bus to goad the driver so once again the driver like the householder is supposed to just sit and take it.
These kids know they can do anything they want......and guess what,they do anything they want.
I can understand the driver not wanting to move the bus.
I can understand the driver wanting the passengers to give him some backing.
What should be allowed was either the driver or a couple of passengers to take this little scrote give him a clip around the ear march him to the bus exit and kick his a*se off the bus.
The thing is if this annoying little twerp knew that that might happen and other passengers wouldn't stand for his nonsense he'd have got on the bus paid and sat in his seat not bothering anyone.
We are far too soft on this sort of behaviour and that's why it's got so bad and will continue to get worse.
People being afraid to get involved is wrong they need to get involved and not suffer if they do by and overzealous police force ready to arrest them on a whim.
"Oh he rides on the buses because no one loves him ".
Did you read the thread? There's about three of us not wanting to hang, draw and quarter the child.
Just for the record I don't want the child shot at dawn either. If the facts are as explained I think it was dealt with fairly well. If I had been a driver in that position I would bot have felt like driving a naughty boy somwhere for free because he demanded it. (I would feel differently about a child who needed to get home but didn't have the money but for the sake of argument I am assuming that this kid had a history of pulling this cheeky escapade)
It seems like it ended well enough. Nobody got hurt or prosecuted for hitting a child and everyone got home eventualy.
Sounds good from the safety of the internets. Real life work different though. Would you be willing to do it knowing that if the kid told a copper that you had laid your hands on him then they are duty bound to launch an investigation into it? Its frustrating in the extreme I agree but thats the reality.
If I pulled that sort of stunt when I was 10 (early 80's) then I would've got numerous clips round the ear from the driver, other passengers and then a proper hiding when I got home if my mum found out. Sadly we are no longer living in an age of common sense. The hand-wringing clowns and do-gooders have won and this is their world we are now living in.
Well I suppose then every kid would expect to ride free ?
But more to the point - the driver said that the kid was "constant trouble every night" and "caused bother on every bus" - not sure if that meant playing up on the bus and bothering other folks or just expecting to ride free all the time.
Either way, he sounds like a pain in the arse
every child does get a free ride:p
well in london anyway, if i use my oyster card, and im in full education then bus travel is free:)
I was on a bus once where a teenage lad got on without paying. The bus driver turned off the engine and refused to move until the boy paid.
He sat there defiantly for a few minutes until other people on the bus started shouting that they wanted to get home and telling him to get off the bus. He did.
I thought the bus driver handled it well, no agression, just patiently waiting and it worked.
Bus drivers have a lot to deal with and so we should be backing them up.
I would like to know wat this kid had been up to on the buses before. If he was the sort of kid that would be spitting on passengers ,for example, then we should be backing the driver up.
The driver and passengers working together is what we need.
That driver did the right thing.
I was on a bus in NYC and a guy got on and sat down and fiddled around for five minutes looking for his pass as the bus travelled.
After five minutes the driver said you either pay the cash fare or get off.
The guy got off.
I backed up the driver and told the guy he needs to pay himself after he asked me for a dollar (cheeky sod).
The driver thanked me for my support and said it helps if the drivers get some backing from the passengers.
He'd probably got on the bus loads of times before and done a sob story and the driver's had previously let him ride for free.
This driver wouldn't stand for the BS which is good.
That's what we need here driver's being firm and not letting kids or adults take the P.
I've been having a think about all of this (it hurts when I think too much). By my reckoning, the driver wouldn't have held up his bus for so long without good reason. Would he put his other passengers through such an inconvenience just because a youngster hadnt paid? The driver said he knew the kid and what we don't know is just what trouble he could cause when the bus was moving and the driver couldn't do anything about it, could he disrupt so much that it could cause an accident or put the other passengers at risk? Don't bus drivers work to a time table, surely he wouldn't have taken such drastic action unless it was truly warranted.
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The kids know full well they cant be touched AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE LIKE THIS. oh and because they usually have an arse of a parent who would support their behaviour, probably by landing one on the bus drivers nose for causing his child embarrasment.
If you were getting kicked off a bus I was sitting on I would give a cuss.
Sounds good from the safety of the internets. Real life work different though. Would you be willing to do it knowing that if the kid told a copper that you had laid your hands on him then they are duty bound to launch an investigation into it? Its frustrating in the extreme I agree but thats the reality.
If I pulled that sort of stunt when I was 10 (early 80's) then I would've got numerous clips round the ear from the driver, other passengers and then a proper hiding when I got home if my mum found out. Sadly we are no longer living in an age of common sense. The hand-wringing clowns and do-gooders have won and this is their world we are now living in.
Sorry, I pressed quote instead of edit (got a mad dog pestering me for a walk atm)
It was a few years ago now 79/80 something like that, so most buses still had conductors, it was them actually who let him on, some even gave him sandwhiches and stuff, I suppose they felt sorry for him..some would chase him up the road though, with him swearing and making gestures at him, which we all thought was hilerious , but it was an outragous and shocking thing to see at the time.
He was a very young looking 10 year old if I remember correctly. We used to give him money and sweets...and of course the older boys gave him glue and drink :mad:
I don't know what happened to him in the end, because I stopped hanging around with the kids in that area, so didn't use those buses anymore
If any of the above is true, makes the below look quite trivial.
Did you read the thread? There's about three of us not wanting to hang, draw and quarter the child.
Ah ok. The fact that he sat near the front sort of suggests that he was hoping the driver would notice him.
My dad left us when I was born and my Mum was left to raise me and my older brother alone. She held down two jobs and when I look back at old photos from that time I see just how hard life was.
So now (in my 50's) I'm going to embark upon a life of glue, drugs and alcohol and go around threatening people and nicking stuff. It'll be alright, I'm from a broken home, y'know.
This child didn't sound very 'alone and frightened to me. Such phrases as 'no money - tough luck' sound more like bare-faced defiance to me.
The fact that he had sweets and a drink would indicate that he had money on him. Of course he could have blown his cash on the drink & sweets, leaving him wothout - but whose fault is that?
No, here we have a child who will grow up thinking everything is someone elses fault and the world owes him a living. And social services will do nowt to change that.
Yes I would. I'm getting bloody sick to death of this whole situation we seem to find ourselves in these days. My hope is that the other bus passengers would (should) be on your side.
Your second paragraph is spot on.
Well thats 3 too many.
That would be the same 3 (loudest) people on the bus sticking up for the poor little baby.
And the same 3 people who would explain to the poilce how roughly the boy was handled if physically removed from the bus. (not hung, drawn, or quartered - no need to exagerate the injuries - especially to the police)
The problem is there is no unity between adults on how children should behave.
What do you mean? The child did not get the best of the situation. All that was called for was a little patience. It is a virtue and it was rewarded without any physical intervention which is not the best way. I fail to see what really went wrong here. A child was naughty but didn't get his own way by being cheeky. People may have been put to a little inconvenience but you don't get something for nothing.
This wasn't a one off the kid is trouble all the time.He probably gets on the bus to goad the driver so once again the driver like the householder is supposed to just sit and take it.
These kids know they can do anything they want......and guess what,they do anything they want.
I can understand the driver not wanting to move the bus.
I can understand the driver wanting the passengers to give him some backing.
What should be allowed was either the driver or a couple of passengers to take this little scrote give him a clip around the ear march him to the bus exit and kick his a*se off the bus.
The thing is if this annoying little twerp knew that that might happen and other passengers wouldn't stand for his nonsense he'd have got on the bus paid and sat in his seat not bothering anyone.
We are far too soft on this sort of behaviour and that's why it's got so bad and will continue to get worse.
People being afraid to get involved is wrong they need to get involved and not suffer if they do by and overzealous police force ready to arrest them on a whim.
"Oh he rides on the buses because no one loves him ".
What a load of old cobblers.
Just for the record I don't want the child shot at dawn either. If the facts are as explained I think it was dealt with fairly well. If I had been a driver in that position I would bot have felt like driving a naughty boy somwhere for free because he demanded it. (I would feel differently about a child who needed to get home but didn't have the money but for the sake of argument I am assuming that this kid had a history of pulling this cheeky escapade)
It seems like it ended well enough. Nobody got hurt or prosecuted for hitting a child and everyone got home eventualy.
Spot on.
sounds like he should pay double for being a little shit
fares in line with politeness is my first policy when I get elected
every child does get a free ride:p
well in london anyway, if i use my oyster card, and im in full education then bus travel is free:)
tube is als only 50p each way:cool:
He sat there defiantly for a few minutes until other people on the bus started shouting that they wanted to get home and telling him to get off the bus. He did.
I thought the bus driver handled it well, no agression, just patiently waiting and it worked.
Bus drivers have a lot to deal with and so we should be backing them up.
I would like to know wat this kid had been up to on the buses before. If he was the sort of kid that would be spitting on passengers ,for example, then we should be backing the driver up.
That driver did the right thing.
I was on a bus in NYC and a guy got on and sat down and fiddled around for five minutes looking for his pass as the bus travelled.
After five minutes the driver said you either pay the cash fare or get off.
The guy got off.
I backed up the driver and told the guy he needs to pay himself after he asked me for a dollar (cheeky sod).
The driver thanked me for my support and said it helps if the drivers get some backing from the passengers.
He'd probably got on the bus loads of times before and done a sob story and the driver's had previously let him ride for free.
This driver wouldn't stand for the BS which is good.
That's what we need here driver's being firm and not letting kids or adults take the P.