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what happens if you get 12 points on your licence?
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a friend of mine was stopped by the police last month for trying to beat the red light but didn't make it.he already has 9 points on his licence and he was charged with a motoring offence.his court hearing is in feburary and he is worried about a big fine,banned for a year,that sort of thing.i not convinced he will be banned for that long but am not really sure what would happen.has this happened to anybody on here?
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I read the same article as well and if I remember correctly, it stated that anyone with 12 points on their licence can be banned for up to 3 years.
So, a possible 10 year stretch for those drivers
I read the same article and it's impossible to not be picked up by the "system" - it's more that those people know how to play it. I used to work in a Fixed Penalty Office and the amount of people who would remember they had an "exceptional hardship" when threatened with a ban was crazy.
To answer your question OP it's not an automatic ban - he'll give his side of the case in court and ultimately will be judge's decision. Usually is 6-12 months though if my memory serves me right.
Not true - the maximum ban you can have for "totting up" (or a TT99) is 12 months.
Bans of anything over that are for drink/drug driving, dangerous driving etc.
He could write and ask to be put on a drivers awareness course.
I know one person who did that and they were put on the course, so their points remained at 9.
I know two people last year who went to court.
They both had specialist lawyers and it cost them a lot to escape the ban.
https://www.gov.uk/penalty-points-endorsements/overview
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/driver-who-racked-up-45-penalty-points-still-on-the-road-9043561.html
That article is v.misleading - no idea why they asked DVLA for a comment when DVLA are just the record-keepers and have no say in points whatsoever.
The end paragraph confirms what I was hinting to earlier though:
The system is too easy to play - where I used to work we had numerous people get away with a ban for pleading exceptional hardship around childcare! So essentially racking up points after points then going to court, saying awww, my kids and getting away with the ban. Funny that they barely touch on that in the article though! ;-)
I agree.
The two men we know should of got the points and the ban.
They paid a lot for lawyers to spin a yarn, the yarns was close to the truth but IMO not good enough to be allowed off with it.
Business would suffer, relatives would not get visited etc.
They both got hefty fines and the lawyers about 1500 notes for each case in fees.
he is self employed and needs to drive for his work.also to take his dad for hospital appointments from time to time.would this make a difference?
A Tt99 offence (trotting up) usually carries a 6 month ban
Your friend sounds like someone who should lose their license. Permanently. Or at least be forced to go back through training and required to pass the test all over again. Driving a vehicle is a privilege and someone with 12 points on their license who tries to beat traffic lights does not deserve that privilege.
he has 9 points on the licence not 12.he was just at the lights when they changed and went for it in a split second but a police car was parked nearby and he didn't see them.
how much would the fine be likely to be?
I wonder why he took the chance, i've been driving for 40+ years and have one speeding offence.
You should always be prepared to stop at lights, they must have been on amber. It wouldn't have been a split second.
It's 3 points and £60 fine.
What were his other 9 points for?
I would say the same..
If the OP's friend already had 9 points, he shouldn't have tried rushing the lights in the first place, although going through as they 'change' to red isn't quite as criminal as actually going through on red. The judge may or may not be soft in this case.
In which case, I hope he's got a solicitor representing him, rather than relying on his mate asking for hints on internet forums.
I can see it now, They decide to give him a lesson and the guy uses the defence of 'People on digital spy said i would get away with it though'
I can understand how people like the ones in this article can keep slipping through the ‘net’ by consistently pleading ‘hardship’ to the magistrates, thus avoiding the ‘compulsory’ ban.
However, how do these recidivists get Car insurance; would Company’s be interested in offering cover to anyone with 20+ speeding points?
It appears that many (probably all) of the speeding offenders don’t have insurance anyway.
What’s happened to the traffic polices’ programme of impounding uninsured vehicles? Is that still in operation?
What next?; the Magistrate who lets the violent Armed Bank robber off with a ‘caution’, because he is the only person who looks after his ‘elderly frail mother’;....... it’s anarchy I say!
one was for another red light a year and a half ago.the other two are for speeding.
Car insurance companies don't seem overly bothered about speeding points tbh. Can't raise their risk very much.