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Car trouble. Any idea what could be wrong?

JOHNORJOHNOR Posts: 3,163
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Hi,

I drive a Mercedes A class, it is 5 years old, has 30,000 miles on the clock.

A few months ago, the engine diagnostic symbol came up on the dashboard (and hasn't left since) I took my car to a Mercedes specialist garage, they wired it up to some sort of machine and said they couldn't find a problem. Around the same time, my car would never start on first attempt, and I had to rev the accelerator to make it start, this is still the case.

Today I jumped in my car, switched the engine on and it was so loud, it became louder when I would accelerate, there was also a bad smell coming from the car. The only way I could describe the noise is a really loud, rattling noise. My car also had trouble going any faster then 25mph up a hill today.

I have taken it to 3 separate garages.

Garage number 1 checked the oil, said there wasn't much in it, topped it up for me and said book it in later this week and we'll look properly.

Garage number 2 said it could be that one of the cylinders had gone and needed replacing but couldn't be sure, he then recommended garage number 3.

Garage number 3 said they think that the engine has gone and it will need stripping down if this is the case.

I have a family friend (mechanic) coming to my house tomorrow to have a look at it, as none of the above mechanics seemed sure.

My work is mobile, I rely heavily on the car for work purposes and money is extremely tight at the minute, so tight that I won't be able to get it fixed.

Anyone here who has a clue about cars, do you think from what I've described that the engine needs replacing?
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    mred2000mred2000 Posts: 10,050
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    JOHNOR wrote: »
    ... the engine needs replacing?

    I'm no expert but I can't imagine the whole engine will need replacing...
    Waj_100 is an expert, though. I'm sure he'll be along to give you some good pointers ;)
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    gdjman68wasdigigdjman68wasdigi Posts: 21,705
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    JOHNOR wrote: »
    Hi,

    I drive a Mercedes A class, it is 5 years old, has 30,000 miles on the clock.

    A few months ago, the engine diagnostic symbol came up on the dashboard (and hasn't left since) I took my car to a Mercedes specialist garage, they wired it up to some sort of machine and said they couldn't find a problem. Around the same time, my car would never start on first attempt, and I had to rev the accelerator to make it start, this is still the case.

    Today I jumped in my car, switched the engine on and it was so loud, it became louder when I would accelerate, there was also a bad smell coming from the car. The only way I could describe the noise is a really loud, rattling noise. My car also had trouble going any faster then 25mph up a hill today.

    I have taken it to 3 separate garages.

    Garage number 1 checked the oil, said there wasn't much in it, topped it up for me and said book it in later this week and we'll look properly.

    Garage number 2 said it could be that one of the cylinders had gone and needed replacing but couldn't be sure, he then recommended garage number 3.

    Garage number 3 said they think that the engine has gone and it will need stripping down if this is the case.

    I have a family friend (mechanic) coming to my house tomorrow to have a look at it, as none of the above mechanics seemed sure.

    My work is mobile, I rely heavily on the car for work purposes and money is extremely tight at the minute, so tight that I won't be able to get it fixed.

    Anyone here who has a clue about cars, do you think from what I've described that the engine needs replacing?

    30,000 miles is nothing but it sounds to me if the bonnet has never been opened since it left the factory

    every year or 10,000 is the key


    just noticed your female, that explains it ;)


    i would book the car in for a major service at a reputable garage, no need to go to Merc main dealers

    read the handbook, check the schedule, has the cam neen replaced? has the oil been changed recently? etc etc

    does it need brakes?

    the list goes on

    my ex used to drive until it stopped, i would say "your car needs a service dear"

    it was only a piece of metal to her, i gave up in the end
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    in_focusin_focus Posts: 307
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    Running low on oil is unforgivable, that and water should be checked daily or at the very least weekly. If you have run it so low that the oil pump has not been able to pick any up you have probably done irrepairable damage to the engine.
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    3 different garages - 3 different explanations.

    Presumably whatever is wrong with the car - is the 'problem' that earns the garage most money!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 511
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    Um, several months with the EML on?, and now a loud rattling sound? to be honest - it's likely fubar'd. I'd be very cautious about letting a garage strip the engine down without a very good idea of the likely costs - it might be cheaper to get an engine from a scrapper and transplant.

    Get yourself to a decent independent mechanic / garage - this is their bread-and-butter.

    (One slight possibility is a faulty ignition system, resulting in unburnt fuel being pumped to the cat and burning there - can destroy the honeycomb and results in the engine losing power at revs, and the exhaust smelling of petrol fumes... although I've only really heard of this with rotaries)

    Your mechanic will probably have a code reader - get the fault codes and that may help to clear the mist from the crystal ball.
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    JOHNORJOHNOR Posts: 3,163
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    Thanks everyone.

    Regarding the engine diagnostic system, i did have it checked and was told it was fine!

    It was due a service 2 months ago, but i didn't have the money so i left it :o i did go to halfords for a new bulb a d whilst there i got my water and oil topped up.

    I honestly thought that if i was running low on oil, that an instrument would light up on the dashboard? I very lazily, and stupidly, haven't bothered to manually check the oil for a long time.

    It's probably f***ed isn't it?
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    JOHNORJOHNOR Posts: 3,163
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    Also, don't know if this is relevant but it went in for its MOT last month and passed?
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    Keefy-boyKeefy-boy Posts: 13,613
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    in_focus wrote: »
    Running low on oil is unforgivable, that and water should be checked daily or at the very least weekly. .
    Maybe 50 years ago.
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    Fat BuddhaFat Buddha Posts: 882
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    Petrol or Diesel ?
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    gdjman68wasdigigdjman68wasdigi Posts: 21,705
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    Fat Buddha wrote: »
    Petrol or Diesel ?

    Doesn't matter, the mercs dead
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    Jimmy ConnorsJimmy Connors Posts: 117,901
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    Does this car have a full service history? 30k is nothing for ANY car.
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    JOHNORJOHNOR Posts: 3,163
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    Fat Buddha wrote: »
    Petrol or Diesel ?

    Petrol
    Doesn't matter, the mercs dead

    Is it? Definitely?! :eek:

    Does this car have a full service history? 30k is nothing for ANY car.

    I haven't had it serviced since december 2011.
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    Jimmy ConnorsJimmy Connors Posts: 117,901
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    JOHNOR wrote: »
    I haven't had it serviced since december 2011.

    That's not that long ago. I don't know the schedule for Mercedes, :confused: but I know people that have cars with FAR higher miles and have not bothered to service them for a lot longer. They have no issues.

    Find a little independent garage if you can.
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    JOHNORJOHNOR Posts: 3,163
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    That's not that long ago. I don't know the schedule for Mercedes, :confused: but I know people that have cars with FAR higher miles and have not bothered to service them for a lot longer. They have no issues.

    Find a little independent garage if you can.

    I went to two independent ones today, one had no clue, the other said my engine has probably gone.

    Will go to another tomorrow.

    This is really bad news if the engine has gone. Pretty sure it'll be really expensive?
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    Waj_100Waj_100 Posts: 3,739
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    JOHNOR wrote: »
    Hi,

    I drive a Mercedes A class, it is 5 years old, has 30,000 miles on the clock.

    A few months ago, the engine diagnostic symbol came up on the dashboard (and hasn't left since) I took my car to a Mercedes specialist garage, they wired it up to some sort of machine and said they couldn't find a problem. Around the same time, my car would never start on first attempt, and I had to rev the accelerator to make it start, this is still the case.

    Today I jumped in my car, switched the engine on and it was so loud, it became louder when I would accelerate, there was also a bad smell coming from the car. The only way I could describe the noise is a really loud, rattling noise. My car also had trouble going any faster then 25mph up a hill today.

    I have taken it to 3 separate garages.

    Garage number 1 checked the oil, said there wasn't much in it, topped it up for me and said book it in later this week and we'll look properly.

    Garage number 2 said it could be that one of the cylinders had gone and needed replacing but couldn't be sure, he then recommended garage number 3.

    Garage number 3 said they think that the engine has gone and it will need stripping down if this is the case.

    I have a family friend (mechanic) coming to my house tomorrow to have a look at it, as none of the above mechanics seemed sure.

    My work is mobile, I rely heavily on the car for work purposes and money is extremely tight at the minute, so tight that I won't be able to get it fixed.

    Anyone here who has a clue about cars, do you think from what I've described that the engine needs replacing?



    I'm amazed that the engine warning light is on and nobody can find a fault.....if the light is on then a code has been logged in the car's computer....even if the light went out again the code should still be logged.

    Has anyone driven the car?

    The smell, lack of power, and noise would lead me to think you had a badly worn clutch, but of course the car needs to be driven to determine that, it could be all sorts of things though.
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    gdjman68wasdigigdjman68wasdigi Posts: 21,705
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    I had an ex fleet 150000 mile vectra sri


    Amazing car, 04 reg, got 500 in px due to miles, should have kept it
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    sunsetbeachsunsetbeach Posts: 1,232
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    I had the same problem (with a megane) not starting first time, then the rattling, etc and I just needed a new coil. Got it done for £70, but that was one coil and sometimes you need all 4 replacing. They ran a diagnostic check on mine and the error came up so would have thought it would have come up on yours, but don't panic just yet!!
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    JOHNORJOHNOR Posts: 3,163
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    Thanks everyone.

    sunsetbeach that was what garage number 2 said!! Coils, not cylinders :o I am hoping to god it is that.

    It had it's MOT last month, rear brake pads needed replacing, but that was all.
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    Alot of cars go into limp mode when a diagnostic symbol comes onto dash board, dont know about yours the idea of it is to allow you to drive home or garage at about 20, 25, miles per hour
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 31
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    in_focus wrote: »
    Running low on oil is unforgivable, that and water should be checked daily or at the very least weekly. If you have run it so low that the oil pump has not been able to pick any up you have probably done irrepairable damage to the engine.
    Checked daily???....don't think so mate.
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    tim59 wrote: »
    Alot of cars go into limp mode when a diagnostic symbol comes onto dash board, dont know about yours the idea of it is to allow you to drive home or garage at about 20, 25, miles per hour

    That sounds like it to me too.
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    JOHNORJOHNOR Posts: 3,163
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    tim59 wrote: »
    Alot of cars go into limp mode when a diagnostic symbol comes onto dash board, dont know about yours the idea of it is to allow you to drive home or garage at about 20, 25, miles per hour

    Is this is the case, is the car fixable, without costing £1000 plus? It's had trouble going past 25mph today, but doesn't usually.
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    IWantPVRIWantPVR Posts: 8,302
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    Does sound very much like LOS mode, (Limited Operation Strategy or Limp 'Ome Slowly). That doesn't however explain the noise and smell. Those suggest something mechanical as the cause of the LOS mode. A dead coil or two wouldn't smell. A German car specialist, not necessarily a Mercedes dealer, ought to have the equipment to diagnose this very quickly. At 5 years old with 30k on the engine it shouldn't be beyond repair.
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    UndefinedUndefined Posts: 305
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    From what Johnor is saying, it's fairly obvious the car HAS been serviced, it's just a bit overdue. She's also said the oil was topped up 2 months ago. Oil doesn't go down that fast, especially on modern cars. I'm wondering whether the engine is burning it, which would explain the smell. The lack of power and rattle suggests something major to me (sorry, Johnor!). We've had similar symptoms in a much older car which turned out to be the head gasket coupled with a worn engine, but I'd be horrified if it was that on a 5 year old car!

    I'm surprised the Merc dealer couldn't find anything when they tested it, and not too impressed they let you go without investigating further!
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    Regarding the diagnoses made by the various garages, unfortunately it's sometimes difficult to find a garage who's willing to offer straighforward, unbiased, advice these days.

    Some garages would rather spend 2 hours doing a service or an hour changing brake-pads and charging £300 for doing it rather than getting a car in for something major, taking up space all week and only being able to charge, say, £500 for repairing it.

    If the engine IS making bad noises it's almost certainly going to be expensive.
    It's possible it could just be the fuel filter that needs replacing.
    It might be that the fuel pump is knackered and, if it's a diesel, that could prove to be expensive.
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