In this day of Positive Discrimination the powers that be can force you to work with ethnic minorities , but they can not force you to like them , talk to them or take them to your home for a meal
Yes, threads like this are....when people like you naturally assume that a claim of racism must be true.
This is a claim made by a gentleman, one which no doubt will be vigorously opposed by those he is accusing of a very serious charge.
Until the tribunal looks at the evidence, and IF it finds his accusation to be true, THEN we can cast aspertions on the officers concerned. In case you had forgotten, people are innocent in this country until found guilty, and until then to attack the other officers as guilty is 'stupid'.
So it is ok to assume he is suing the police because his colleagues laughed at his beard? Funny how you haven't attacked other posts commenting on that aspect of the case. I made a comment based on a stupid post that claimed ethnic minorities should grow a thick skin.
Out of curiosity, if his claims were proved to be correct, what would your views on the situation be then?
If it is true then the others should be disciplined at least if not sacked .
However there is always the chance that this is sour grapes and we have not heard all the story
Another scenario is that both stories could be true that people were racist to him but that his senior officers were also corerct that he was not up to the job in which case the officers who were racist should again either be disciplined or sacked but the officer himself given compensation but not rehired if he is not up to the job.
The only real thing to be proven is the racism side as in the the Fin Pa*i comments, the beard comments if it was done because of his religion is wrong if it was normal banter then it is not , the mimicking of a Hertfordhsire accent is something that should be left out all together as that is not racist .
No real side can be taken here as we have only heard the Daily Mails version of one side of the story so far.
In this day of Positive Discrimination the powers that be can force you to work with ethnic minorities , but they can not force you to like them , talk to them or take them to your home for a meal
It's not positive discrimination to treat work colleagues with the kind of respect and dignity we all expect. That doesn't include personally liking them, or having to socialise with them after hours. Conversely, it is basic common decency not to ridicule, ostracise, exclude or harass, either.
In this day of Positive Discrimination the powers that be can force you to work with ethnic minorities , but they can not force you to like them , talk to them or take them to your home for a meal
But laws are in place to force you NOT to bully them in the workplace or make them targets of racial abuse.
Your 'them' and 'us' perspective is very unhelpful and one of the reasons why racism is still alive and well.
Why would you not talk to someone of ethnic background or invite them to your house? Do you view them as inferior?
I don't see individuals as ethnic minorities or white I see and treat them as people.
In this day of Positive Discrimination the powers that be can force you to work with ethnic minorities , but they can not force you to like them , talk to them or take them to your home for a meal
Who do you mean when you say 'you' ? Is this one of those "white like me" posts ?
Shit. Don't answer that. I'm an ethnic minority. You might catch something nasty. :eek:
WHy are people reading JUST the headline..the man got racial abuse..he deserves every penny he gets...i thought u would expect better from the police..guess they are just as bad as the next racist scum bag
WHy are people reading JUST the headline..the man got racial abuse..he deserves every penny he gets...i thought u would expect better from the police..guess they are just as bad as the next racist scum bag
Allegedly.
Innocent until proven guilty. I know some may not like it but even white Police Officers are afforded that priveledge.
WHy are people reading JUST the headline..the man got racial abuse..he deserves every penny he gets...i thought u would expect better from the police..guess they are just as bad as the next racist scum bag
I sense some folk don't want to read beyond the headline because if they do, they might actually have to concede that the man was the victim of racist bullying.
I sense some folk don't want to read beyond the headline because if they do, they might actually have to concede that the man was the victim of racist bullying.
....and you don't even have to read between the Daily Mail lines, to realise that reality, as it's so blatantly obvious from the words on the page ....
The thread title was a lead into a newspaper article which highlighted the full story which I'm pretty certain you read.
Having done so, if you still fail to see what's wrong with calling an Asian work colleague a f****** p*** then yes, I regard you as a bigot.
You are putting too much emphasis on the alleged FP comment. The beard is the centre of the controversy. The bloke had just been on full pay for 9 months sick leave for alleged depression for being sacked for apparently not being very good at his job. You seem to trust this guy implicity that his FP comment is actually true and not some oh-so-easy attempt to seek compensation. What's to stop any person making up anything when money is concerned?
Please try and stick to the main focal point of the story - the comedy beard - and consider yourself lucky I don't believe in pressing the alert button as your accusations of bigotry are indeed offensive in themself
You are putting too much emphasis on the alleged FP comment. The beard is the centre of the controversy. The bloke had just been on full pay for 9 months sick leave for alleged depression for being sacked for apparently not being very good at his job. You seem to trust this guy implicity that his FP comment is actually true and not some oh-so-easy attempt to seek compensation. What's to stop any person making up anything when money is concerned?
Please try and stick to the main focal point of the story - the comedy beard - and consider yourself lucky I don't believe in pressing the alert button as your accusations of bigotry are indeed offensive in themself
Only because the daily mail puts it in the headline doesnt make that the main point..:rolleyes:
Please try and stick to the main focal point of the story - the comedy beard -
You might have construed the man's comical beard as the focal point of the story, but some of us who read further (and aren't so easily manipulated by tabloid headlines) realised it was about something much deeper.
Only because the daily mail puts it in the headline doesnt make that the main point..:rolleyes:
The beard is the headline of this thread and the headline in the newspaper and is what the man himself refers to as his main bugbear - which is what people are reacting to - it's not rocket science to work out the beard is the story here
You might have construed the man's comical beard as the focal point of the story, but some of us who read further (and aren't so easily manipulated by tabloid headlines) realised it was about something much deeper.
Thats what living in PC world does to some folk. As far as I'm concerned the man has a funny beard, full stop - even though you seem to dismiss the funniness of his beard as being in any way relevant to the story and are basing your views on an alleged comment by someone seeking compensation and are accusing those with differing views to you of bigotry
You are putting too much emphasis on the alleged FP comment. The beard is the centre of the controversy. The bloke had just been on full pay for 9 months sick leave for alleged depression for being sacked for apparently not being very good at his job. You seem to trust this guy implicity that his FP comment is actually true and not some oh-so-easy attempt to seek compensation. What's to stop any person making up anything when money is concerned?
Please try and stick to the main focal point of the story - the comedy beard - and consider yourself lucky I don't believe in pressing the alert button as your accusations of bigotry are indeed offensive in themself
OK, I've always been a great believer in balance and fair play, so let us see the story from the Islamic viewpoint shall we ?
Article in full:-
A British Muslim police officer is suing his force for three years of racial and religious discrimination that sent him to deep depression and opened his eyes to what he believes to be "institutional" racism running rampant in Britain’s police forces.
"I am disgusted that I was bullied by other officers because of my beliefs," Police Constable Javid Iqbal told the Daily Mail on Monday, March 9.
"I became a policeman because I believed in putting something back into society."
Iqbal, 38, is taking the Bedfordshire police force to an employment tribunal over charges of racial and religious discrimination and unfair dismissal.
He became a special PC in October 2005, but as soon as early 2006 he became a victim of racism.
One officer mimicked Iqbal’s accent and pretended to have a beard similar to his while the others laughed.
"My beard is an important part of my identity which helps other Muslims relate to me," maintains the Muslim officer.
He says white officers openly discussed in front of him how they were "better" than their ethnic-minority colleagues.
They pulled faces at each other if told they had to go out on patrol with Iqbal.
An officer had openly referred to him as a "f***ing ****," a derogatory slang for an immigrant or descendant of Pakistani background.
Institutional
Iqbal laments that his racist colleagues, instead of being disciplined, actually succeeded to get him fired.
They launched a smear campaign during which they lodged a string of complaints about his performance.
In September 2006, eight of his colleagues presented negative statements to superiors about his performance. He was cleared the following June.
But Iqbal, a married father of two, was eventually fired in August 2008.
A source at Bedfordshire Police told the British daily that Iqbal was sacked because he was "not cut out to be a police officer."
The dismissal sent Iqbal into depression.
"Javid has gone through depression quite badly. There were times when he was asleep continuously for three days," his wife Surhya told the Mail.
Surhya, a preschool headmistress, says the discrimination her husband was subject to made her "lose faith" in the police.
"Previously, I felt if something was wrong we would be able to rely on the police."
But for Iqbal, born and raised in Britain, the dilemma has opened his eyes to another face of his country.
"I have found that institutional racism is still very much around."
Several Muslim and ethnic minority police officers have spoken out against racism in the police force.
An employment tribunal recently heard evidence that an "apartheid culture" was rampant at Belgravia police station, with separate vans for white and black staff.
Last September, Britain's most senior Muslim police officer Tarique Ghaffur was relieved of his duties a month after he sued the Metropolitan police force for racial discrimination.
He accused Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair of playing a role in a campaign of harassment, racial prejudice and humiliation against him during eight years at the force.
Commander Shabir Hussain has also accused Blair of sidelining black and Asian detectives and surrounding himself with a "golden circle" of handpicked favorites.
Yasmin Rehman, the force's head of diversity, announced this week that she was suing the Met for racial discrimination.
See, I'm not convinced the "comedy beard" as you refer to it, is the main thing in this case. It was merely part of the process of bullying and ridicule.
Please try and stick to the main focal point of the story - the comedy beard - and consider yourself lucky I don't believe in pressing the alert button as your accusations of bigotry are indeed offensive in themself
That's only the way the article has slanted it. Jeez, I guess some people have the bible, some have the DM.......
"An employment tribunal recently heard evidence that an "apartheid culture" was rampant at Belgravia police station, with separate vans for white and black staff"
That is awful if true , surely it would be quite easy to prove?
"An employment tribunal recently heard evidence that an "apartheid culture" was rampant at Belgravia police station, with separate vans for white and black staff"
That is awful if true , surely it would be quite easy to prove?
A friend of mine , a female black officer at said station said its a load of rubbish and a situation that has blown up between some PCSO's who do not get on and have tried dragging everyone else in to it.
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Doesn't mean you can be nasty to them.
So it is ok to assume he is suing the police because his colleagues laughed at his beard? Funny how you haven't attacked other posts commenting on that aspect of the case. I made a comment based on a stupid post that claimed ethnic minorities should grow a thick skin.
If it is true then the others should be disciplined at least if not sacked .
However there is always the chance that this is sour grapes and we have not heard all the story
Another scenario is that both stories could be true that people were racist to him but that his senior officers were also corerct that he was not up to the job in which case the officers who were racist should again either be disciplined or sacked but the officer himself given compensation but not rehired if he is not up to the job.
The only real thing to be proven is the racism side as in the the Fin Pa*i comments, the beard comments if it was done because of his religion is wrong if it was normal banter then it is not , the mimicking of a Hertfordhsire accent is something that should be left out all together as that is not racist .
No real side can be taken here as we have only heard the Daily Mails version of one side of the story so far.
It's not positive discrimination to treat work colleagues with the kind of respect and dignity we all expect. That doesn't include personally liking them, or having to socialise with them after hours. Conversely, it is basic common decency not to ridicule, ostracise, exclude or harass, either.
But laws are in place to force you NOT to bully them in the workplace or make them targets of racial abuse.
Your 'them' and 'us' perspective is very unhelpful and one of the reasons why racism is still alive and well.
Why would you not talk to someone of ethnic background or invite them to your house? Do you view them as inferior?
I don't see individuals as ethnic minorities or white I see and treat them as people.
Who do you mean when you say 'you' ? Is this one of those "white like me" posts ?
Shit. Don't answer that. I'm an ethnic minority. You might catch something nasty. :eek:
No doubt a major factor in how things developed.
Allegedly.
Innocent until proven guilty. I know some may not like it but even white Police Officers are afforded that priveledge.
I sense some folk don't want to read beyond the headline because if they do, they might actually have to concede that the man was the victim of racist bullying.
Agree 100 %
And what about affording this man the same priviledge? Why assume he's guilty of lying until proved otherwise?
I haven't said he was lying at all. I did in fact say that if he was called names it was wrong.
....and you don't even have to read between the Daily Mail lines, to realise that reality, as it's so blatantly obvious from the words on the page ....
Please try and stick to the main focal point of the story - the comedy beard - and consider yourself lucky I don't believe in pressing the alert button as your accusations of bigotry are indeed offensive in themself
Only because the daily mail puts it in the headline doesnt make that the main point..:rolleyes:
You might have construed the man's comical beard as the focal point of the story, but some of us who read further (and aren't so easily manipulated by tabloid headlines) realised it was about something much deeper.
However, there's no excuse for openly being racist to someone's face and upsetting them. If what he's saying is true, then I hope he wins his case.
OK, I've always been a great believer in balance and fair play, so let us see the story from the Islamic viewpoint shall we ?
Article in full:-
See, I'm not convinced the "comedy beard" as you refer to it, is the main thing in this case. It was merely part of the process of bullying and ridicule.
That's only the way the article has slanted it. Jeez, I guess some people have the bible, some have the DM.......
That is awful if true , surely it would be quite easy to prove?
A friend of mine , a female black officer at said station said its a load of rubbish and a situation that has blown up between some PCSO's who do not get on and have tried dragging everyone else in to it.