hold on a second. In order for you to suggest they have messed with the arrangement of the track, this means you must have been present during the week at rehearsals to know what the original track sounded like right? Just face it she messed up her timing the track is already there pre-recorded, Tamera was the one who was singing live. Nevertheless, I do still feel sorry for her, she's out of her depth and it's sad people will judge her so harshly when she DOES have potential but she's just not ready yet.
As far as I can tell it is the same, apart from from that half bar delay, as you say. I think tamera covers it up for the second chorus with some belting and doesn't actually sing any words to avoid it happening again.
Ah I didn't notice whether it was the same arrangement on the second chorus, good point. I'm gonna have another listen now.
Do we know for sure that they use live PA and not actual people playing instruments on XF, or is that only the case for Big Band week?
Because if it's a backing track then yes, she should have known. And no, she shouldn't have gone along with the way Arthur sings it.
As far as I can tell it is the same, apart from from that half bar delay, as you say. I think tamera covers it up for the second chorus with some belting and doesn't actually sing any words to avoid it happening again.
What you have highlighted is what I initially thought. A slight delay so she can do some quick "vocal gymnastics".
If it was a true sabotage, like what is being suggested in this thread, then how come we have the delay twice during the song? My opinion is this...she messed up initially and it rattled her. She never fully recovered. The end.
hold on a second. In order for you to suggest they have messed with the arrangement of the track, this means you must have been present during the week at rehearsals to know what the original track sounded like right? Just face it she messed up her timing the track is already there pre-recorded, Tamera was the one who was singing live. Nevertheless, I do still feel sorry for her, she's out of her depth and it's sad people will judge her so harshly when she DOES have potential but she's just not ready yet.
Lol, no need for the sarcasm, I do understand both English and Music in depth, but thank you. Kinda cute.
Anyway, no I wasn't there actually. I'm just able to hear when a piano changes key to match the vocal (I'm a singer, if that helps? Have been for 15 years, does that help?), and if we're speaking in terms of how the original track goes, bar for bar, yes they doctored the track.
However, as someone (much kinder than you, I might add) has just pointed out, there was possibly SUPPOSED to be a build up before the chorus, in which case, yes she did mess up and yes she should have known that her track was different to the original, and not to get confused.
In response to a few posters above me, yes I hear the half bar delay the second time around, in which case, the track definitely was supposed to be like that, even more so if it was being played through the PA system, and not "live".
Even so, in terms of the general arrangement of a 4/4 song such as Impossible, having a half a bar delay before the chorus doesn't really make any sense.
That's my stance on the whole thing tbh. It doesn't sound right.
Doesn't take away the fact that she should have known it was different, granted. But to me, it still doesn't sound right.
I don't think it was sabotage - it was probably rehearsed this way as I think the arrangement is the same for the second chorus but it looks like Tamera had some technical issues and buggered it all up afterwards so it is her own fault, although not entirely as much as she is going to be given flack for.
Okay yeah, because I was about to listen to James' version now, but I'm literally 99% sure that's how he sings it.
But, are you saying that the actual instrumental track, the timing etc, is different to the one they used for Tamera?
Yes, you are right about the slight difference. I think this arrangement was used to give her room to do some add libs/set her apart from James's version, but instead, it confused her or she got lost .
Yes, you are right about the slight difference. I think this arrangement was used to give her room to do some add libs/set her apart from James's version, but instead, it confused her or she got lost .
I do think this is the case now that I can hear the break on the second chorus too. Although I'm still singing it to myself, inserting the half a bar ad-lib and.. It just sounds odd to me.
But yep, no disputing now - the track was supposed to sound like that. She messed up.
Which is a shame. Because for the first time tonight, I noticed how rich her tone is. It's lovely.
She just has pitching issues and evidently, following the arrangement of certain songs.
I do think this is the case now that I can hear the break on the second chorus too. Although I'm still singing it to myself, inserting the half a bar ad-lib and.. It just sounds odd to me.
But yep, no disputing now - the track was supposed to sound like that. She messed up.
Which is a shame. Because for the first time tonight, I noticed how rich her tone is. It's lovely.
She just has pitching issues and evidently, following the arrangement of certain songs.
I suspect there is something going on backstage of which we're hearing nothing. Forgetting the lyrics two weeks running suggests to me that all is not right in the run up to the live shows (arguments with the producers or her mentor perhaps?).
It sounds like she started singing the "...and if you're done with embarrassing me" lyric which comes in in the next verse, then realises she went wrong and goes back to the "...effortlessly" lyric, but misses a few words before that, so she starts the chorus too soon and is ahead of the music. Just my opinion though.
I suspect there is something going on backstage of which we're hearing nothing. Forgetting the lyrics two weeks running suggests to me that all is not right in the run up to the live shows (arguments with the producers or her mentor perhaps?).
Maybe, no excuses for messing up her lyrics - better if she left tomorrow. If she doesn't, it will cause uproar BUT maybe that is exactly what XF are looking for - Controversy!!
In response to a few posters above me, yes I hear the half bar delay the second time around, in which case, the track definitely was supposed to be like that, even more so if it was being played through the PA system, and not "live".
Even so, in terms of the general arrangement of a 4/4 song such as Impossible, having a half a bar delay before the chorus doesn't really make any sense.
That's my stance on the whole thing tbh. It doesn't sound right.
Doesn't take away the fact that she should have known it was different, granted. But to me, it still doesn't sound right.
It makes sense if the song has been re-arranged to incorporate vocal gymnastics - it happens more than once if you listen carefully.
I think they tried to arrange the song to suit her (or what they thought suited her) and it's just not gone to plan. Remember the key to winning is not sounding like the original - she's managed that but not quite how they imagined.
Maybe, no excuses for messing up her lyrics - better if she left tomorrow. If she doesn't, it will cause uproar BUT maybe that is exactly what XF are looking for - Controversy!!
Forgetting her lyrics twice in seven days would suggest her preparation for the live shows is not good, which in turn would suggest that all is not well backstage.
If that's the case, the XF propaganda department don't want us to know about it, as they are usually adept at releasing bad news stories from behind the scenes.
Forgetting her lyrics twice in seven days would suggest her preparation for the live shows is not good, which in turn would suggest that all is not well backstage.
If that's the case, the XF propaganda department don't want us to know about it, as they are usually adept at releasing bad news stories from behind the scenes.
Whatever the situation is, it's better for her leave the competition and develop the areas that she has to work on if she wants to pursue a pop career - she is still young and has time ahead of her
Whatever the situation is, it's better for her leave the competition and develop the areas that she has to work on if she wants to pursue a pop career - she is still young and has time ahead of her
I'm convinced something is up behind the scenes. She had no problems with lyrics or her performance for the first five weeks and at her age, she should be growing in confidence from week to week, not going backwards.
Something is not right here but it sounds like XF are covering it up and telling us nothing.....Tamera disintegrating on the live shows simply shouldn't be happening.
I'm convinced something is up behind the scenes. She had no problems with lyrics or her performance for the first five weeks and at her age, she should be growing in confidence from week to week, not going backwards.
Something is not right here but it sounds like XF are covering it up and telling us nothing.....Tamera disintegrating on the live shows simply shouldn't be happening.
She looked very nervous to me at the start of the song. Most likely she had just built the whole thing up too much after forgetting the words last week - a self fulfilling prophecy.
I'm convinced something is up behind the scenes. She had no problems with lyrics or her performance for the first five weeks and at her age, she should be growing in confidence from week to week, not going backwards.
Something is not right here but it sounds like XF are covering it up and telling us nothing.....Tamera disintegrating on the live shows simply shouldn't be happening.
It's potential controversy, they've done it with Melanie and probably doing it with Tamera now. Maybe something isn't right behind the scenes = we don't know the full story but far as I'm concerned she messed up 3 times and has to leave the competition.
tamera apologists really starting to get desperate now.
she messed up twice in this one performance (which is the third time on the show, and the second week in a row). even she's admitted it.
the first time she was out of time. the second was a clear lyric slip.
it's on youtube to watch back...
Something tells me Louis and Sharon were told to launch that attack on Tamera after Sam's performance as a way of showing that in the minds of the producers they see forgetting the lyrics for a third time as the last straw.
OP, I really don't understand what you're trying to say. As far as I can interpret it you're saying that the piano came in late so she got confused or something? From what I can hear nothing sounds late or off.
I'm probably interpreting what you're saying wrong so can you please explain it clearer?
She looked very nervous to me at the start of the song. Most likely she had just built the whole thing up too much after forgetting the words last week - a self fulfilling prophecy.
agreed - she's probably hyped it all up in her head and got herself worked up. she's simply not ready.
I'm convinced something is up behind the scenes. She had no problems with lyrics or her performance for the first five weeks and at her age, she should be growing in confidence from week to week, not going backwards.
isn't she 16?...at that age, any knock at all is a huge huge blow. especially for someone who's used to praise. it does not take much for a teenager's confidence to plummet about something after already having screwed it up before.
One thing that needs clarification although I have no idea how you'd get it, is whether the arrangement was changed at all leading into the chorus.
JA flows straight from the verse into the chorus and thats what Tamera did but I get the feeling that tonights arrangement had a gap of maybe a bar or two, between the verse and the chorus and Tamera forgot that, not her words.
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Ah I didn't notice whether it was the same arrangement on the second chorus, good point. I'm gonna have another listen now.
Do we know for sure that they use live PA and not actual people playing instruments on XF, or is that only the case for Big Band week?
Because if it's a backing track then yes, she should have known. And no, she shouldn't have gone along with the way Arthur sings it.
Better to leave now
What you have highlighted is what I initially thought. A slight delay so she can do some quick "vocal gymnastics".
If it was a true sabotage, like what is being suggested in this thread, then how come we have the delay twice during the song? My opinion is this...she messed up initially and it rattled her. She never fully recovered. The end.
Lol, no need for the sarcasm, I do understand both English and Music in depth, but thank you. Kinda cute.
Anyway, no I wasn't there actually. I'm just able to hear when a piano changes key to match the vocal (I'm a singer, if that helps? Have been for 15 years, does that help?), and if we're speaking in terms of how the original track goes, bar for bar, yes they doctored the track.
However, as someone (much kinder than you, I might add) has just pointed out, there was possibly SUPPOSED to be a build up before the chorus, in which case, yes she did mess up and yes she should have known that her track was different to the original, and not to get confused.
Thanks for your input
Even so, in terms of the general arrangement of a 4/4 song such as Impossible, having a half a bar delay before the chorus doesn't really make any sense.
That's my stance on the whole thing tbh. It doesn't sound right.
Doesn't take away the fact that she should have known it was different, granted. But to me, it still doesn't sound right.
Yes, you are right about the slight difference. I think this arrangement was used to give her room to do some add libs/set her apart from James's version, but instead, it confused her or she got lost .
I do think this is the case now that I can hear the break on the second chorus too. Although I'm still singing it to myself, inserting the half a bar ad-lib and.. It just sounds odd to me.
But yep, no disputing now - the track was supposed to sound like that. She messed up.
Which is a shame. Because for the first time tonight, I noticed how rich her tone is. It's lovely.
She just has pitching issues and evidently, following the arrangement of certain songs.
I suspect there is something going on backstage of which we're hearing nothing. Forgetting the lyrics two weeks running suggests to me that all is not right in the run up to the live shows (arguments with the producers or her mentor perhaps?).
Maybe, no excuses for messing up her lyrics - better if she left tomorrow. If she doesn't, it will cause uproar BUT maybe that is exactly what XF are looking for - Controversy!!
It makes sense if the song has been re-arranged to incorporate vocal gymnastics - it happens more than once if you listen carefully.
I think they tried to arrange the song to suit her (or what they thought suited her) and it's just not gone to plan. Remember the key to winning is not sounding like the original - she's managed that but not quite how they imagined.
Forgetting her lyrics twice in seven days would suggest her preparation for the live shows is not good, which in turn would suggest that all is not well backstage.
If that's the case, the XF propaganda department don't want us to know about it, as they are usually adept at releasing bad news stories from behind the scenes.
Whatever the situation is, it's better for her leave the competition and develop the areas that she has to work on if she wants to pursue a pop career - she is still young and has time ahead of her
Good grief........................ Sing the 'effin' song.
I'm convinced something is up behind the scenes. She had no problems with lyrics or her performance for the first five weeks and at her age, she should be growing in confidence from week to week, not going backwards.
Something is not right here but it sounds like XF are covering it up and telling us nothing.....Tamera disintegrating on the live shows simply shouldn't be happening.
She looked very nervous to me at the start of the song. Most likely she had just built the whole thing up too much after forgetting the words last week - a self fulfilling prophecy.
It's potential controversy, they've done it with Melanie and probably doing it with Tamera now. Maybe something isn't right behind the scenes = we don't know the full story but far as I'm concerned she messed up 3 times and has to leave the competition.
she messed up twice in this one performance (which is the third time on the show, and the second week in a row). even she's admitted it.
the first time she was out of time. the second was a clear lyric slip.
it's on youtube to watch back...
I'm probably interpreting what you're saying wrong so can you please explain it clearer?
agreed - she's probably hyped it all up in her head and got herself worked up. she's simply not ready.
isn't she 16?...at that age, any knock at all is a huge huge blow. especially for someone who's used to praise. it does not take much for a teenager's confidence to plummet about something after already having screwed it up before.
JA flows straight from the verse into the chorus and thats what Tamera did but I get the feeling that tonights arrangement had a gap of maybe a bar or two, between the verse and the chorus and Tamera forgot that, not her words.