Whilst I don't think Evander is gay, there is research out there which supports the OP's theory. Those who are most vocally anti gay tend to be more likely to have lame sex attractions.
Why would it be libellous to think someone is gay? There is nothing wrong or shameful about it. It is no different to saying you think a blonde person is naturally a brunette.
You can think what you like but the header (thread title ) presents it as a statement of FACT rather than as a figment of the OPs over-active imagination.........
But when he said about the 11 children that he only had sex 11 times to create them I was like omg I'm right!
I was waiting for him to say to the apprentice one, because in their chat he was saying 'Of COURSE you can be cured, of COURSE you can' and I felt like is he a hairs breath away from saying he knows that BECAUSE he's cured himself, how else could he be so sure?? I wish she had asked him 'how do you know you can be cured unless you have experienced being cured yourself'?
In response to 'you wish' I'm a straight female, which is also why I feel maybe he's gay because I don't get any sexual anything coming from him, like nothing towards the women, now I don't see anything for the men either so fair enough as he said himself at his age he doesn't really get his head turned.. but, I just don't think using the bible is a good enough reason to decide being gay is a disability that can be cured, I can only imagine someone having that opinion by experiencing it themselves and believing they have cured themselves!
As to libel, Evander is the one that outed his homophobia on TV, we are now entitled to discuss why he would hold such discriminating and ignorant views, his mistake. I think I'm being quite nice to him to come up with a valid reason why someone would think that way than to just decide 'ignorant homophobe' and not bother trying to understand it.. he could have good if messed up reasons for thinking that way..
I'm pretty sure the last bit here isn't true, but happy to be proven wrong. Any chance of a link? Also are you saying this is now widely accepted as opposed to individual studies/ articles claiming this (there's a big difference here of course).
Sure there are some examples of vehement anti gay protesters turning out to be gay or bi-sexual (Ted Haggard etc) but your use of the words 'tend to be more likely to' interests me, and I just wondered whether there was anything to back it up? Genuinely interested!
I remember we looked over a piece of research psychology in which men with strong homophobic views were shown gay porn, and they had high-levels of 'excitement' so to speak.
Whilst I don't think Evander is gay, there is research out there which supports the OP's theory. Those who are most vocally anti gay tend to be more likely to have lame sex attractions.
Why would it be libellous to think someone is gay? There is nothing wrong or shameful about it. It is no different to saying you think a blonde person is naturally a brunette.
big difference to be fair - but i do have highlights to look blonde, shameful ?
You can think what you like but the header (thread title ) presents it as a statement of FACT rather than as a figment of the OPs over-active imagination.........
I'd hardly say calling someone gay is "libel". Unless you think being accused of being gay is similar to being accused of crimes, etc? I think it's a silly suggestion, but only offensive to those who have an issue with "gay" in the first place.
I do think it's silly to jump to the "homophobes are gay" thing, though. It's definitely the case sometimes, but most of the time it's just that they genuinely have an issue with it rather than they're gay themselves.
No, I don't think Evander is gay. Ignorant? Yes. Gay? No.
I personally think anyone at all expressing homophobic remarks is doing it because they are fully gay or have gay leanings that they are totally ashamed of and unwilling to admit. I think Evander stated that he felt 'gay can be cured' because he believes he has 'cured' himself.. he's been married three times and has 11 children, on the 11 children thing isn't that machoism to the extreme, hey look what a man I am I couldn't possibly be gay (although I am secretly).. what do you think? ps. I think it's a great series so far
I think you need to take a good long look at yourself.
I don't see this thread lasting much longer.
You can think what you like but the header (thread title ) presents it as a statement of FACT rather than as a figment of the OPs over-active imagination.........
Dear legal people, when I stated 'Evander is clearly gay' it was as a proposition to my subsequent debate in a forum. I did not state 'Evander is gay and here's his boyf' or any such thing which is untrue. As is the case in any debate, a debate is given a title and a person gives reasons why they believe that title to be true. In my subsequent argument I did not state he is gay as a fact, I stated I believed due to the homophobic beliefs he expressed on TV I have a theory he 'might' be gay, which is obvious to anyone reading the entire post and not just the title that I 'think' this to be the case because of a homophobic argument that he has created himself. Hopefully this clarifies!
I'd hardly say calling someone gay is "libel". Unless you think being accused of being gay is similar to being accused of crimes, etc? I think it's a silly suggestion, but only offensive to those who have an issue with "gay" in the first place.
I do think it's silly to jump to the "homophobes are gay" thing, though. It's definitely the case sometimes, but most of the time it's just that they genuinely have an issue with it rather than they're gay themselves.
No, I don't think Evander is gay. Ignorant? Yes. Gay? No.
Exactly, and it's clear once you actually read my first post I'm presenting this as a theory, no-one can take the first few words you say without including the rest and prosecute for libel it doesn't work that way. You take the entirity of what's been said and it's very very clear this is my theory only.. I'm sure Evander will have much worse problems with his reputation as a homophobe than any theory I can come up with, which actually would make people forgive him much more easily, at least I would forgive him if that is why he holds these views.
I also wonder if Luisa was wondering the same thing and sussing out the subject when she asked him during that conversation 'oh are there any boxers that have come out as gay' etc, I just wondered is she bringing that up because she thinks the same as me about homophobes being secretly gay or just to alter the course of the topic perhaps too..
People are forgetting his a religious person and probably only thinks that way because of the bible like most of them do who are brainwashed.
That's certainly the most intriguing/perplexing thing to me.
Even devout Christians who come out in support of anti-gay stuff say that you can't blame the person for expressing the views they are forced to live by.
Which is a great way of not accepting sole responsibility for their supposed 'own' opinions. To come up with that excuse shows that they know how OTT some of the beliefs are and that individual free will has to be put to one side in order to follow them.
I personally think anyone at all expressing homophobic remarks is doing it because they are fully gay or have gay leanings that they are totally ashamed of and unwilling to admit. I think Evander stated that he felt 'gay can be cured' because he believes he has 'cured' himself.. he's been married three times and has 11 children, on the 11 children thing isn't that machoism to the extreme, hey look what a man I am I couldn't possibly be gay (although I am secretly).. what do you think? ps. I think it's a great series so far
Yes when I am revolted by people picking their nose and eating it, I secretly want to pick my nose and eat it.
There are no doubt cases where closeted gay men take out their frustrations on other gay men by exhibiting homophobic behaviour. No doubt. But this general idea that any one who doesn't approve of homosexuality is gay themselves is a bit silly and simple minded. Reasons for such fear and irrational hatred are many and varied. Some people just find the idea disgusting. I know many gay people who find the idea of straight sex very distasteful. So can the reverse be true? Are they secretly straight? Erm no.
There are no doubt cases where closeted gay men take out their frustrations on other gay men by exhibiting homophobic behaviour. No doubt. But this general idea that any one who doesn't approve of homosexuality is gay themselves is a bit silly and simple minded. Reasons for such fear and irrational hatred are many and varied. Some people just find the idea disgusting. I know many gay people who find the idea of straight sex very distasteful. So can the reverse be true? Are they secretly straight? Erm no.
You have to put a layer of complication to the arguement as do a lot of people posting, this isn't 'I'm disgusted by this' and then saying hey look, that person is disgusted by something so why oh why would they do it. The layer of complication is are they REALLY disgusted, and that's the difference. If someone is GENUINELY disgusted by something, of course they are not secretly wanting to do that same thing as generally people don't want to do things that disgust them, HOWEVER, if they are SAYING 'I am disgusted and here are my really valid reasons why', while secretly fantasizing about and craving the thing, that's the difference.
How can we tell the difference in general with anyone that's a homophobe, as to whether they are in the closet and hate themselves therefore hate other gays living the life they want to live, or because they are genuinely ignorant judgemental people? We can't tell the difference you just have to see what's this persons motivation for hating other people? The bible says 'do not judge lest ye be judged' that's the interpretation of Christianity that I like.
I remember we looked over a piece of research psychology in which men with strong homophobic views were shown gay porn, and they had high-levels of 'excitement' so to speak.
I've done a psychology degree too for what it's worth (before I get pelters on here, I am not claiming this makes me any more insightful than anyone else), and whilst I can appreciate what you say, you will know as well as I do that one study/ piece of research does not an absolute rule make.
Sorry,I went all Yoda for a minute!
I am not trying to be argumentative, but I genuinely find it interesting the number of people who claim anyone who is homophobic is most likely gay and then several others look at them and nod sagely as if this is some kind of fact. (not talking about on here but I've seen and heard many people casually use this argument).
If anything, I think it's actually a somewhat detrimental, rather simplistic stance to take (when it's taken as a default setting towards all outspoken homophones that is), when there are other far more intelligent lines of debate that are far more progressive in countering the arguments of the more outspoken homophobes.
I've done a psychology degree too for what it's worth (before I get pelters on here, I am not claiming this makes me any more insightful than anyone else), and whilst I can appreciate what you say, you will know as well as I do that one study/ piece of research does not an absolute rule make.
Sorry,I went all Yoda for a minute!
I am not trying to be argumentative, but I genuinely find it interesting the number of people who claim anyone who is homophobic is most likely gay and then several others look at them and nod sagely as if this is some kind of fact. (not talking about on here but I've seen and heard many people casually use this argument).
If anything, I think it's actually a somewhat detrimental, rather simplistic stance to take (when it's taken as a default setting towards all outspoken homophones that is), when there are other far more intelligent lines of debate that are far more progressive in countering the arguments of the more outspoken homophobes.
As I say, just my opinion.
I find it interesting you use the word 'detrimental' when discussing why someone would hold a homophobic view, would you think the same if someone would say a racist may have themselves in their bloodline the very race they choose to judge and insult, perhaps they know their ancestry and have decided because of their own shame they will now be racist towards others because of their self-hate and shame. Isn't it more detrimental to write people off as ignorant than to see if there are reasons behind certain views that can in fact be exposed. That for anyone at the receiving end they can say well, maybe that person doesn't in fact hate me but hates themselves, so instead of letting them upset me for being me, I choose to pity them for not allowing themselves to live their lives without judging others or themselves. Because one goes with the other. I find it very beneficial to think this way, and I hope it helps anyone that was hurt by what Evander said even though I will never know if my theory is true, it is a hypothesis and there are psych papers written on the subject. I think anyone hating a group of people has repressed something within themselves and in that respect I am very Freudian in my belief on human psychology, I think it's very comforting to know that people are generally misunderstood or repressed rather than having hate in their hearts for no particular reason at all, even religion can't count when the bible says not to judge.
Why do people post such thoughts without engaging their brain even for just for a minute.
The proposition is........ that people who express hard line anti-gay opinions are in fact very likely gay themselves.
So the overwhelming proportion of clerics and government officials not to mention the general populace in Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries are in fact gay!
Is that what you truly believe?
Why don't you go to, say, Saudi Arabia and publish such an opinion and see what happens!
Good!! Glad to instigate some emotion! The forum seems quiet this year
There's nothing wrong with the hypothesis. The only objection I have is the word 'clearly' in the title, because as I've read on that's the last thing this thread is.
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You can think what you like but the header (thread title ) presents it as a statement of FACT rather than as a figment of the OPs over-active imagination.........
I was waiting for him to say to the apprentice one, because in their chat he was saying 'Of COURSE you can be cured, of COURSE you can' and I felt like is he a hairs breath away from saying he knows that BECAUSE he's cured himself, how else could he be so sure?? I wish she had asked him 'how do you know you can be cured unless you have experienced being cured yourself'?
In response to 'you wish' I'm a straight female, which is also why I feel maybe he's gay because I don't get any sexual anything coming from him, like nothing towards the women, now I don't see anything for the men either so fair enough as he said himself at his age he doesn't really get his head turned.. but, I just don't think using the bible is a good enough reason to decide being gay is a disability that can be cured, I can only imagine someone having that opinion by experiencing it themselves and believing they have cured themselves!
As to libel, Evander is the one that outed his homophobia on TV, we are now entitled to discuss why he would hold such discriminating and ignorant views, his mistake. I think I'm being quite nice to him to come up with a valid reason why someone would think that way than to just decide 'ignorant homophobe' and not bother trying to understand it.. he could have good if messed up reasons for thinking that way..
I remember we looked over a piece of research psychology in which men with strong homophobic views were shown gay porn, and they had high-levels of 'excitement' so to speak.
big difference to be fair - but i do have highlights to look blonde, shameful ?
I'd hardly say calling someone gay is "libel". Unless you think being accused of being gay is similar to being accused of crimes, etc? I think it's a silly suggestion, but only offensive to those who have an issue with "gay" in the first place.
I do think it's silly to jump to the "homophobes are gay" thing, though. It's definitely the case sometimes, but most of the time it's just that they genuinely have an issue with it rather than they're gay themselves.
No, I don't think Evander is gay. Ignorant? Yes. Gay? No.
I think you need to take a good long look at yourself.
I don't see this thread lasting much longer.
Dear legal people, when I stated 'Evander is clearly gay' it was as a proposition to my subsequent debate in a forum. I did not state 'Evander is gay and here's his boyf' or any such thing which is untrue. As is the case in any debate, a debate is given a title and a person gives reasons why they believe that title to be true. In my subsequent argument I did not state he is gay as a fact, I stated I believed due to the homophobic beliefs he expressed on TV I have a theory he 'might' be gay, which is obvious to anyone reading the entire post and not just the title that I 'think' this to be the case because of a homophobic argument that he has created himself. Hopefully this clarifies!
Very tut tut.;-) I on the other hand am a completely natural ombre - until next week when I will be a natural blonde again for a few weeks.
Exactly, and it's clear once you actually read my first post I'm presenting this as a theory, no-one can take the first few words you say without including the rest and prosecute for libel it doesn't work that way. You take the entirity of what's been said and it's very very clear this is my theory only.. I'm sure Evander will have much worse problems with his reputation as a homophobe than any theory I can come up with, which actually would make people forgive him much more easily, at least I would forgive him if that is why he holds these views.
That's certainly the most intriguing/perplexing thing to me.
Even devout Christians who come out in support of anti-gay stuff say that you can't blame the person for expressing the views they are forced to live by.
Which is a great way of not accepting sole responsibility for their supposed 'own' opinions. To come up with that excuse shows that they know how OTT some of the beliefs are and that individual free will has to be put to one side in order to follow them.
Yes when I am revolted by people picking their nose and eating it, I secretly want to pick my nose and eat it.
Fool!
Its called being hetrosexual.
What anyone else gets up to i couldnt care less and it bears no significance on how i choose friends or how i look at or judge any other person.
I dont care if anyone is offended by it thats their problem not mine.
You have to put a layer of complication to the arguement as do a lot of people posting, this isn't 'I'm disgusted by this' and then saying hey look, that person is disgusted by something so why oh why would they do it. The layer of complication is are they REALLY disgusted, and that's the difference. If someone is GENUINELY disgusted by something, of course they are not secretly wanting to do that same thing as generally people don't want to do things that disgust them, HOWEVER, if they are SAYING 'I am disgusted and here are my really valid reasons why', while secretly fantasizing about and craving the thing, that's the difference.
How can we tell the difference in general with anyone that's a homophobe, as to whether they are in the closet and hate themselves therefore hate other gays living the life they want to live, or because they are genuinely ignorant judgemental people? We can't tell the difference you just have to see what's this persons motivation for hating other people? The bible says 'do not judge lest ye be judged' that's the interpretation of Christianity that I like.
I've done a psychology degree too for what it's worth (before I get pelters on here, I am not claiming this makes me any more insightful than anyone else), and whilst I can appreciate what you say, you will know as well as I do that one study/ piece of research does not an absolute rule make.
Sorry,I went all Yoda for a minute!
I am not trying to be argumentative, but I genuinely find it interesting the number of people who claim anyone who is homophobic is most likely gay and then several others look at them and nod sagely as if this is some kind of fact. (not talking about on here but I've seen and heard many people casually use this argument).
If anything, I think it's actually a somewhat detrimental, rather simplistic stance to take (when it's taken as a default setting towards all outspoken homophones that is), when there are other far more intelligent lines of debate that are far more progressive in countering the arguments of the more outspoken homophobes.
As I say, just my opinion.
I find it interesting you use the word 'detrimental' when discussing why someone would hold a homophobic view, would you think the same if someone would say a racist may have themselves in their bloodline the very race they choose to judge and insult, perhaps they know their ancestry and have decided because of their own shame they will now be racist towards others because of their self-hate and shame. Isn't it more detrimental to write people off as ignorant than to see if there are reasons behind certain views that can in fact be exposed. That for anyone at the receiving end they can say well, maybe that person doesn't in fact hate me but hates themselves, so instead of letting them upset me for being me, I choose to pity them for not allowing themselves to live their lives without judging others or themselves. Because one goes with the other. I find it very beneficial to think this way, and I hope it helps anyone that was hurt by what Evander said even though I will never know if my theory is true, it is a hypothesis and there are psych papers written on the subject. I think anyone hating a group of people has repressed something within themselves and in that respect I am very Freudian in my belief on human psychology, I think it's very comforting to know that people are generally misunderstood or repressed rather than having hate in their hearts for no particular reason at all, even religion can't count when the bible says not to judge.
lol
His sensitivity about the Lee/Casey relationship!
Im cringing reading the OP'S post
Hahahaha:D
Good!! Glad to instigate some emotion! The forum seems quiet this year
You did certainly do that:o:D and like Evander we are allowed to say what we think, even if other people do not agree with it;-)
The proposition is........ that people who express hard line anti-gay opinions are in fact very likely gay themselves.
So the overwhelming proportion of clerics and government officials not to mention the general populace in Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries are in fact gay!
Is that what you truly believe?
Why don't you go to, say, Saudi Arabia and publish such an opinion and see what happens!
Maggie
There's nothing wrong with the hypothesis. The only objection I have is the word 'clearly' in the title, because as I've read on that's the last thing this thread is.