Don't see why the law is needed, give retailers the choice to open whenever they want. I doubt it'd really change opening times at all that much. It's not like Topshop will suddenly be flinging its doors open at 3AM on a Sunday morning.
I was working today, I manage a Salvation Army Charity shop, we don't trade on Sunday and yes its due to religious reasons, however I was in today to get the shop ready for the sale that starts tomorrow.
Even though all my lights were on and it was plain to see there were people working only 2 people actually tried the door ( I was on the shop floor for 4 hours).
There were a few shops open the BHF charity shop next door and supermarket and clothing shop across the road but tbh there was hardly anybody walking along the street (popped out a couple of times for a ****).
So if there were hordes of people desperate to shop on the 'busiest' Sunday of the year they weren't doing it in Shanklin.
Either the law fits everyone or no one. I don't understand why it's just retail. Especially given that Tesco and Sainsburys have smaller shops that can open when they want. It's hot nothing to do with protecting staff otherwise why can I go to my local Casino at 10pm on a Sunday night. Retailers should be given the freedom of when they want to open and not dictated by law.
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in shops on a Sunday? Time was when shop workers had the option plus 'time-and-a-half' pay. No more. Folks are expected that Sunday is just another working day.
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in fast food places, restaurants, hotels, airports on a Sunday?
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in tv, radio, media, journalism, photographers etc on a Sunday?
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in power stations, for the national grid, sewerage plants, gas and electric companies, landline, mobile and internet companies on a Sunday?
Afterall, it's one day of the week. It's a "family day". All of the above things we've lived without in the past, so why not now?
This subject always comes up every christmas and every easter. Still yet to see any reason why retail businesses, with retail spaces of any size, shouldn't be allowed to trade as and when they please 7 days a week just as they currently can for 6 of those days.
Are all shops open 24/6? No. Therefore, without the Sunday trading law, dose that mean all shops will automatically trade 24/7 instore? No.
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in shops on a Sunday? Time was when shop workers had the option plus 'time-and-a-half' pay. No more. Folks are expected that Sunday is just another working day.
didn't know I had a reputation on this subject, bit embarrassing was in work, finally finished a very long and hard week at work!
Now, time to repeat myself as usual on this subject....
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in fast food places, restaurants, hotels, airports on a Sunday?
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in tv, radio, media, journalism, photographers etc on a Sunday?
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in power stations, for the national grid, sewerage plants, gas and electric companies, landline, mobile and internet companies on a Sunday?
Afterall, it's one day of the week. It's a "family day". All of the above things we've lived without in the past, so why not now?
This subject always comes up every christmas and every easter. Still yet to see any reason why retail businesses, with retail spaces of any size, shouldn't be allowed to trade as and when they please 7 days a week just as they currently can for 6 of those days.
Are all shops open 24/6? No. Therefore, without the Sunday trading law, dose that mean all shops will automatically trade 24/7 instore? No.
Good grief! I'll stop answering specific points in the posts of others if this is the response! Context is all!!
Good grief! I'll stop answering specific points in the posts of others if this is the response! Context is all!!
It was just different variations of the questions you asked. It's really not a long post, it shouldn't take you long to read it.
Why should Tesco Express be allowed to trade for 12 hours on a Sunday, but not Tesco Extra?
Why should Sky be able to trade/operate 24 hours on a Sunday, but not John Lewis department stores?
That is essentially what the Sunday trading law debate boils down to.
Perhaps you could explain that when ours are the most simple how does it make them the most stupid ? would we be less stupid if we followed places such as France where Sunday shopping is banned other than in designated tourist cities/areas ? or Germany where they are limited to 8 Sunday openings per year.
I find it hard to believe that with all the shops open longer these days than in history that six hours is not enough on a Sunday. Most of the calls for longer hours are just selfish really as people want to be able to choose what they do at any time instead of arranging their time via opening hours. Then when people work longer hours and different days and don't have the same day off as family etc they complain that huge corporations are ruining family life for profit.
Perhaps you could explain that when ours are the most simple how does it make them the most stupid ? would we be less stupid if we followed places such as France where Sunday shopping is banned other than in designated tourist cities/areas ? or Germany where they are limited to 8 Sunday openings per year.
I find it hard to believe that with all the shops open longer these days than in history that six hours is not enough on a Sunday. Most of the calls for longer hours are just selfish really as people want to be able to choose what they do at any time instead of arranging their time via opening hours. Then when people work longer hours and different days and don't have the same day off as family etc they complain that huge corporations are ruining family life for profit.
A stupid law that bans retail, say Tesco Extra from opening at 10pm on a Sunday but yet lets Tesco Express open at 10pm on a Sunday. What kinda stupid law is that.
Looking at it another way, I'm sure that if Tesco, Sainsbury, Boots, Argos, Currys/PC World etc etc etc wanted to open longer on a Sunday they'd lobby the Government and the unions to try to change the Sunday trading laws? They must be happy with the status quo.
I was out this afternoon shopping and wandering around. We'd finished by 4 but it would have been nice to have had another hour or so to carry on.
Looking at it another way, I'm sure that if Tesco, Sainsbury, Boots, Argos, Currys/PC World etc etc etc wanted to open longer on a Sunday they'd lobby the Government and the unions to try to change the Sunday trading laws? They must be happy with the status quo.
I was out this afternoon shopping and wandering around. We'd finished by 4 but it would have been nice to have had another hour or so to carry on.
A stupid law that bans retail, say Tesco Extra from opening at 10pm on a Sunday but yet lets Tesco Express open at 10pm on a Sunday. What kinda stupid law is that.
Because it is done on floor space, so the larger store is restricted and the smaller one is not, many smaller businesses get extra business when the larger ones are closed, with the big stores and the town planners having destroyed many high streets due to out of town warehouse size shops these restrictions help smaller retailers.
Seems a strange way to work? All the carers are on call? How do they decide who to ring? Is it like an agency you mean and she works anywhere at any time and the agency ring when they want someone? She needs to leave the house and do things. You cant just sit indoors and wait for a phone call from an agency you need to go and do the things you need to do. If its like that the agency doesnt need you within 20 minutes you will have time to finish shopping and go home surely you get a couple of hours notice
A nursing friend of mine is working on Christmas Day and she is on call on the way you have described. She gets a few oddballs asking for some very odd things.
Seems a strange way to work? All the carers are on call? How do they decide who to ring? Is it like an agency you mean and she works anywhere at any time and the agency ring when they want someone? She needs to leave the house and do things. You cant just sit indoors and wait for a phone call from an agency you need to go and do the things you need to do. If its like that the agency doesnt need you within 20 minutes you will have time to finish shopping and go home surely you get a couple of hours notice
Usually, a carer will have a rota - they will have so many clients they need to get up, showers, dressed, breakfast and so on, and then. Let's say they're done for half ten, they maybe get an hour and a half before they have a list of lunches they have to do. You then have afternoon visits for those who need help toileting for example, then you have tea visits - evening meals and then beds- getting them ready for bed. Don't forget you also have the travelling time between visits and if you're running late it can throw the whole schedule out.
The phonecalls are for the all too common instances when one of their colleagues doesn't show up to do their visits, or is off sick- all too common in the caring industry- so the office calls people who may have a spare half an hour (when the carer is hoping that they can nip to tesco) can you go visit Mr X as you're in the area, so and so can't make it and we need to cover the visits on his/her rota.
Because it is done on floor space, so the larger store is restricted and the smaller one is not, many smaller businesses get extra business when the larger ones are closed, with the big stores and the town planners having destroyed many high streets due to out of town warehouse size shops these restrictions help smaller retailers.
How can Tesco Express being on next to a local village/town shop going to help the local shop?
The law does not restrict trading hours of large retailers, it restricts trading hours based on retail area of a shop. You said it yourself.
As always, it's always supermarkets that are talked about on this discussion. Supermarkets, food retailers and small local retailers are not the only retailers!
Because it is done on floor space, so the larger store is restricted and the smaller one is not, many smaller businesses get extra business when the larger ones are closed, with the big stores and the town planners having destroyed many high streets due to out of town warehouse size shops these restrictions help smaller retailers.
The restrictions didn't see the likes of Tesco Express and Sainsbury's Local coming though, did they?
Because it is done on floor space, so the larger store is restricted and the smaller one is not, many smaller businesses get extra business when the larger ones are closed, with the big stores and the town planners having destroyed many high streets due to out of town warehouse size shops these restrictions help smaller retailers.
I didn't say explain. I said what kinda law says Tesco can't open at 10pm on a Sunday but another Tesco can open at 10pm on a Sunday. That isn't helping the high street or smaller businesses at all. It's all rather stupid. Some stores likes Tesco are 24/6, yet here you are saying that them only trading 6 hours on a Sunday will help local businesses, what about the other 6 days of the week, don't give a toss then? It's a bollocks law and everyone knows it.
All those for keeping Sunday trading laws please answer a simple question.
What is the difference between a retailer, with a retail area of 285m², trading for 8 hours on a Sunday and a retailer, with a retail area of 275m², trading for 8 hours on a Sunday?
That is what the Sunday trading law debate is about. That is it.
Looking at it another way, I'm sure that if Tesco, Sainsbury, Boots, Argos, Currys/PC World etc etc etc wanted to open longer on a Sunday they'd lobby the Government and the unions to try to change the Sunday trading laws? They must be happy with the status quo.
I was out this afternoon shopping and wandering around. We'd finished by 4 but it would have been nice to have had another hour or so to carry on.
Argos often trade their normal weekday hours on Sunday. Many other shops that also can trade generally either close or work Sunday hours.
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Even though all my lights were on and it was plain to see there were people working only 2 people actually tried the door ( I was on the shop floor for 4 hours).
There were a few shops open the BHF charity shop next door and supermarket and clothing shop across the road but tbh there was hardly anybody walking along the street (popped out a couple of times for a ****).
So if there were hordes of people desperate to shop on the 'busiest' Sunday of the year they weren't doing it in Shanklin.
My mistake. I gained the impression from your post that if folks wanted to shop on Sunday, the shops should be open. Apologies!!
*Note to self-read posts properly!!
Gosh, haven't been patronised like that since I was 11.
Just read your comment (in context this time) and I still think my point was valid.
didn't know I had a reputation on this subject, bit embarrassing
Now, time to repeat myself as usual on this subject....
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in fast food places, restaurants, hotels, airports on a Sunday?
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in tv, radio, media, journalism, photographers etc on a Sunday?
Isn't it equally selfish that we expect folks to work in power stations, for the national grid, sewerage plants, gas and electric companies, landline, mobile and internet companies on a Sunday?
Afterall, it's one day of the week. It's a "family day". All of the above things we've lived without in the past, so why not now?
This subject always comes up every christmas and every easter. Still yet to see any reason why retail businesses, with retail spaces of any size, shouldn't be allowed to trade as and when they please 7 days a week just as they currently can for 6 of those days.
Are all shops open 24/6? No. Therefore, without the Sunday trading law, dose that mean all shops will automatically trade 24/7 instore? No.
The whole of my comment is quoted above which, I believe, explains my point.
I was trying to add humour, not be patronising. Sorry, my mistake. I'll impose my own humour ban on my posts!
Good grief! I'll stop answering specific points in the posts of others if this is the response! Context is all!!
Looking at Europe other than those with no restrictions ours seem the most simple.
And most stupid.
However there is no need to apologise.
It was just different variations of the questions you asked. It's really not a long post, it shouldn't take you long to read it.
Why should Tesco Express be allowed to trade for 12 hours on a Sunday, but not Tesco Extra?
Why should Sky be able to trade/operate 24 hours on a Sunday, but not John Lewis department stores?
That is essentially what the Sunday trading law debate boils down to.
Perhaps you could explain that when ours are the most simple how does it make them the most stupid ? would we be less stupid if we followed places such as France where Sunday shopping is banned other than in designated tourist cities/areas ? or Germany where they are limited to 8 Sunday openings per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_shopping#European_Union
I find it hard to believe that with all the shops open longer these days than in history that six hours is not enough on a Sunday. Most of the calls for longer hours are just selfish really as people want to be able to choose what they do at any time instead of arranging their time via opening hours. Then when people work longer hours and different days and don't have the same day off as family etc they complain that huge corporations are ruining family life for profit.
My last month long absence from here wasn't a ban, just a mysterious break down in communications after a pass word reset request.
A stupid law that bans retail, say Tesco Extra from opening at 10pm on a Sunday but yet lets Tesco Express open at 10pm on a Sunday. What kinda stupid law is that.
I was out this afternoon shopping and wandering around. We'd finished by 4 but it would have been nice to have had another hour or so to carry on.
From the last time this subject came up at easter time 2014. Retailers Asda, Morrisons, Selfridges, B&Q call for Sunday trading law to be scrapped - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597931/Let-stay-open-longer-Sunday-Big-stores-plea-scrap-ridiculous-rules.html
Because it is done on floor space, so the larger store is restricted and the smaller one is not, many smaller businesses get extra business when the larger ones are closed, with the big stores and the town planners having destroyed many high streets due to out of town warehouse size shops these restrictions help smaller retailers.
A nursing friend of mine is working on Christmas Day and she is on call on the way you have described. She gets a few oddballs asking for some very odd things.
Usually, a carer will have a rota - they will have so many clients they need to get up, showers, dressed, breakfast and so on, and then. Let's say they're done for half ten, they maybe get an hour and a half before they have a list of lunches they have to do. You then have afternoon visits for those who need help toileting for example, then you have tea visits - evening meals and then beds- getting them ready for bed. Don't forget you also have the travelling time between visits and if you're running late it can throw the whole schedule out.
The phonecalls are for the all too common instances when one of their colleagues doesn't show up to do their visits, or is off sick- all too common in the caring industry- so the office calls people who may have a spare half an hour (when the carer is hoping that they can nip to tesco) can you go visit Mr X as you're in the area, so and so can't make it and we need to cover the visits on his/her rota.
How can Tesco Express being on next to a local village/town shop going to help the local shop?
The law does not restrict trading hours of large retailers, it restricts trading hours based on retail area of a shop. You said it yourself.
As always, it's always supermarkets that are talked about on this discussion. Supermarkets, food retailers and small local retailers are not the only retailers!
The restrictions didn't see the likes of Tesco Express and Sainsbury's Local coming though, did they?
I didn't say explain. I said what kinda law says Tesco can't open at 10pm on a Sunday but another Tesco can open at 10pm on a Sunday. That isn't helping the high street or smaller businesses at all. It's all rather stupid. Some stores likes Tesco are 24/6, yet here you are saying that them only trading 6 hours on a Sunday will help local businesses, what about the other 6 days of the week, don't give a toss then? It's a bollocks law and everyone knows it.
What is the difference between a retailer, with a retail area of 285m², trading for 8 hours on a Sunday and a retailer, with a retail area of 275m², trading for 8 hours on a Sunday?
That is what the Sunday trading law debate is about. That is it.
Argos often trade their normal weekday hours on Sunday. Many other shops that also can trade generally either close or work Sunday hours.