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How much money do off licence shop owners make?

highland paddyhighland paddy Posts: 672
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Is it a lot? And does it depend largely on selling alcohol? I mean for the average smallish shop with a regular clientele that isn't struggling.
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    SaigoSaigo Posts: 7,893
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    Is it a lot? And does it depend largely on selling alcohol? I mean for the average smallish shop with a regular clientele that isn't struggling.

    Depends on their sales and profit margins.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,607
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    They seem to be a dying breed - clobbered by supermarkets being able to sell at all hours now. So I suppose the answer is "not a lot".
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    sodavlacsodavlac Posts: 10,607
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    I think it would depend on a lot of different factors. Location, size of shop etc.

    If you were to go for a businesses for sale kind of website, I think it often tells you how much profit they make in a year.
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    dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    sodavlac wrote: »
    I think it would depend on a lot of different factors. Location, size of shop etc.

    If you were to go for a businesses for sale kind of website, I think it often tells you how much profit they make in a year.

    Usually turnover not profit...big difference.
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    sodavlacsodavlac Posts: 10,607
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    Usually turnover not profit...big difference.

    Well I just checked and quite a few listed their profit. Granted, the majority were saying it was available on request only.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 292
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    Bear in mind that in the case of many "corner shops" / off-licences, the proprietor will own the property outright and has living accommodation in a flat upstairs, meaning no landlord or rent to worry about, no mortgage to worry about. Biz rates will be their biggest overhead but that's not a huge amount for a small shop so they don't need to take a lot in order to survive. And it beats working for somebody else to make a living!
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    walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,919
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    sodavlac wrote: »
    Well I just checked and quite a few listed their profit. Granted, the majority were saying it was available on request only.

    What sort of profits were they making?
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    sodavlacsodavlac Posts: 10,607
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    What sort of profits were they making?

    Some as low as £25k, some as high as £90k.

    Then there were some vague ones that either used "upto" in their figures or listed a range.

    http://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/Liquor-Stores-and-Off-Licences-for-sale
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    walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,919
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    sodavlac wrote: »
    Some as low as £25k, some as high as £90k.

    Then there were some vague ones that either used "upto" in their figures or listed a range.

    http://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/Liquor-Stores-and-Off-Licences-for-sale

    Would have to be some offy to make £90k a year, must be huge. I imagine lots of the profit figures don't include any salary paid to the owner either.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    We don't have a dedicated off licence in our town anymore. At one time we had about five in a one mile radius. Late night grocery stores and supermarkets have filled the gap.

    Several of them doubled up as video shops which have also died a death so the booze side died with them.
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    Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    The mark up on drink is not great, when walking around a cash and carry, most cases of beers etc can be had for less in a supermarket. It's only when you buy 5 or 10 plus of one beer etc can any real profit be made.

    Most Off Licences are dying out, I think in my town there isn't one, but we've just got a "Bargin Booze", shudder!!
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    SequShor wrote: »
    Bear in mind that in the case of many "corner shops" / off-licences, the proprietor will own the property outright and has living accommodation in a flat upstairs, meaning no landlord or rent to worry about, no mortgage to worry about. Biz rates will be their biggest overhead but that's not a huge amount for a small shop so they don't need to take a lot in order to survive. And it beats working for somebody else to make a living!

    Does it? Open from 11am to 11pm every day of the week plus having to be up early to take in deliveries and stock up all for very little profit. Not getting upstairs until nearly midnight then up again in 9 hours to do it all over again. Having to deal with tramps, alchies, winos and having to watch out for underage drinkers and gangs of youths hanging around outside every night and being under surveillance by the police to make sure you're not serving someone you shouldn't be.

    No thanks!
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    CentaurionCentaurion Posts: 2,060
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    The Wizard wrote: »
    Does it? Open from 11am to 11pm every day of the week plus having to be up early to take in deliveries and stock up all for very little profit. Not getting upstairs until nearly midnight then up again in 9 hours to do it all over again. Having to deal with tramps, alchies, winos and having to watch out for underage drinkers and gangs of youths hanging around outside every night and being under surveillance by the police to make sure you're not serving someone you shouldn't be.

    No thanks!

    Exactly, well said, sitting in an office on £25K pa pretending to work while posting on Twatter or DS all fecking day , now THAT beats running a corner shop 12 hours a day 24/7.
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    Well i know that the family that own our corner shop which is a off licence, does do the rounds and buys cases of beers at the supermarket when they are on offer, as alot of the time they cannot buy it from the whole sellers at the prices that the supermarkerts are selling it at, good for them if i was a shop keeper i would be doing the same
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    I don't know how much profit they make, but around here places that sell alcohol sell other things besides and there are 7 within a 15 minute walk where I live, 6 of them less than 10 minutes walk away (nearest 5 mins max). All are open from at least 9am to 9pm every day, one is open 24/7 and 2 others open until at least 1am. One opens at 7am (except Sunday). All in a predominantly Pakistani area. :D

    So, presumably, there must be a fair bit of money to be made.
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    Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    Yes but are they more a licensed corner shop (SPAR) type business. We're talking about Off Licenses, that only sell alcohol and related things.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    Yes but are they more a licensed corner shop (SPAR) type business. We're talking about Off Licenses, that only sell alcohol and related things.

    Are we?

    That's not the definition of an off licence, according to wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_licence
    wikipedia wrote:
    Off-licences typically are specialist shops, convenience stores, parts of supermarkets, or attached to bars and pubs. Prices are usually substantially lower than in bars or pubs.

    There aren't many shops around these days that sell just alcohol and related products, as it simply doesn't make business sense.
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    hyperstarspongehyperstarsponge Posts: 16,701
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    Not very much if there is a real shop nearby.
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    Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    jra wrote: »
    Are we?

    That's not the definition of an off licence, according to wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_licence



    There aren't many shops around these days that sell just alcohol and related products, as it simply doesn't make business sense.

    Thank you. You've just proved my point
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    dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    Yes but are they more a licensed corner shop (SPAR) type business. We're talking about Off Licenses, that only sell alcohol and related things.

    No we're not, we are talking about off licenses in general, read the thread title.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,519
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    Round London a lot of them maybe depend on those who go on for an oyster top up (especially now you can no longer pay by cash on buses) who then decide to buy a drink or chocolate etc while they are there.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    jra wrote: »
    I don't know how much profit they make, but around here places that sell alcohol sell other things besides and there are 7 within a 15 minute walk where I live, 6 of them less than 10 minutes walk away (nearest 5 mins max). All are open from at least 9am to 9pm every day, one is open 24/7 and 2 others open until at least 1am. One opens at 7am (except Sunday). All in a predominantly Pakistani area. :D

    So, presumably, there must be a fair bit of money to be made.

    If you were making good money would you work 24/7 and unsociable hours? Most of these small shop owners don't have loads of staff and are mostly run by family who help out. Has it ever occurred to you that they need to open so many hours so they can take enough money in order to make a living? I'm sure if they were raking it in they wouldn't be having to work until 1am.
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    stud u likestud u like Posts: 42,100
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    Not enough to stay in business. We had a lot 20 years ago, now only got 1 in the grotty area where I guess they drink more. I have not made a study of their recycling bins to find out.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    The Wizard wrote: »
    If you were making good money would you work 24/7 and unsociable hours? Most of these small shop owners don't have loads of staff and are mostly run by family who help out. Has it ever occurred to you that they need to open so many hours so they can take enough money in order to make a living? I'm sure if they were raking it in they wouldn't be having to work until 1am.

    Who said anything about raking it in.

    How would you expect me to know about these peoples finances or how much they pay their staff, who they employ and whether they are relatives or not. There are so many unknowns. One of the shop owners near me rents out property and has a restaurant in addition to the convenience store. Without asking them, I have no idea how much money they are making from the store itself. And let's face it, it would be rude to ask and I'm not their accountant or the tax man.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    jra wrote: »
    Who said anything about raking it in.

    How would you expect me to know about these peoples finances or how much they pay their staff, who they employ and whether they are relatives or not. There are so many unknowns. One of the shop owners near me rents out property and has a restaurant in addition to the convenience store. Without asking them, I have no idea how much money they are making from the store itself. And let's face it, it would be rude to ask and I'm not their accountant or the tax man.

    So why did you say in your previous post "there's a fair bit of money to be made" if your now saying you have no idea?

    For all you know the reason they might have to stay open so many hours is so they can make ends meet. All I know is, if I was running a lucrative business that made a "fair bit of money" I certainly wouldn't be slogging my guts out for over 12hrs every day staying open till nearly midnight and having to get up early in the morning doing a 7 day a week job.
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