BiB - That looks similar to the bits that he has posted here concerning Nicam, especially as each nugget of information is posted separately and some minutes apart (as if he is searching for negative views to paraphrase or copy&paste)
I wonder if he actually understands any of it .......
i fully understand how nicam works. it is a patticular adaptation of a pre existing compresson technique. used for the reasons i explained.
it is a comparable case so entirely relevant. if people think i got anythingwrong about dolby then they are utterly mistaken. the bbc is different because thats a large number of different unrelated things .....
it is a comparable case so entirely relevant. if people think i got anythingwrong about dolby then they are utterly mistaken. the bbc is different because thats a large number of different unrelated things .....
From German Wiki - As the program of the television station "Paul Nipkow" was broadcast on VHF, it was only receivable in the Berlin area. The range of the transmitter was 60 to 80 kilometres. Television sets were already, since 1930, in the trade, but still by hand and only in small numbers were produced. The devices, which were already equipped with a Braun tube cost between 2,500 and 3,600 Reichsmark. There were almost only in the homes of high Nazi party officials and high broadcasting Manager private devices. A private device such as Joseph Goebbels, Eugen Hadamovsky, Secretary of State owned except the above mentioned TV Director Walther Funk, the Chief Engineer of the Reichs-Rundfunk-Gesellschaft and Ernst Augustin, Reich Youth leader Baldur von Schirach , Nazi air Minister Hermann Göring.
yeah quite so. the bbc was in fact the 1st general tv service .....
it is a comparable case so entirely relevant. if people think i got anythingwrong about dolby then they are utterly mistaken. the bbc is different because thats a large number of different unrelated things .....
Dolby is nothing to do with BBC Innovation.
Simple as that.
Yes, I mentioned Dolby Surround as Nicam 728 allowed the BBC and other UK broadcasters to transmit Dolby Surround encoded audio (BBC technology was the enabler). But no-one is interested in your totally off-topic dolby meanderings in this thread. So take them elsewhere.
everytihng i have said is factually correct. i understand how all these things work in some detail. anf the history of telecom and how they originally invented ......
audio range compression was a standard textbook technique well before nicam
the mods are letting me post but it seems a waste of time. nobody is actually arguing on matters of fact.
i will wait until they do. thereis absolutely no point in just namecalling. waste of everyones time. i will not respond to posts that just say "you have posted only rubbish" with no details.
Yes, I mentioned Dolby Surround as Nicam 728 allowed the BBC and other UK broadcasters to transmit Dolby Surround encoded audio (BBC technology was the enabler). But no-one is interested in your totally off-topic dolby meanderings in this thread. So take them elsewhere.
i never said it was. you seem very mixed up.
2.0 sound is essentally the sq system. whether analogue or digital or with/without various types of noise reduction and audo compression.
ranging was an established compression technique well before the bbc "invented" nicam.
the tv version was only possible because of lsi chips. NOT designed by the bbc !..
You are aware that a standard and method has to be around before a chip can be designed...
IE you work out how to do it (preferably testing it, if possible with off the shelf parts*), before you make an IC for commercial production...
Indeed it's one of the reasons things do get smaller, they work out how to put more parts onto a single IC
It's one of the reasons there are so many patent pools and FRAND agreements these days, often a single chip can involve using tech from dozens of companies, ranging from entire sub sections of the chip (IE putting a graphics chip into the main chip), to small circuits..
Indeed there are companies who design chips but never actually make them themselves, but rather licence their designs out for use either "as is" or for incorporation into larger designs.
IIRC there is a UK company** who do pretty much nothing but design the main chips used in a very large percentage of the worlds smart phones (from memory pretty much every modern apple Idevice is built around their core chip design).
So yes, a chip possibly made NICAM possible for home use, but almost certainly mainly due to the reduced cost, but it would have required the BBC's work to make it possible to design the chip... (you look at the specs published, at the design used in the lab, then adapt it for mass production).
*Even discrete components like transistors, smaller IC;s (things like discrete NE555 chips) etc.
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i fully understand how nicam works. it is a patticular adaptation of a pre existing compresson technique. used for the reasons i explained.
This is a BROADCASTING thread about BBC Innovation. Posting off-topic (rubbish) is not helping your case.
I do not take, without question, the statements of public relations operations or similar
I report my own experience
and continue to be insulted here.
no. completey relvant. anoter case of most people being entirely clueless.
if you watch freeview with 2.0 sound, that is the sq system !
pro logic refers fo decoder gating only.
Except of course for distribution of audio to tx and to the home prior to DTT.
This is comical:D
what have i said that is factually wrong?
if u made a huge technical innovation then lets hear about it ......
You are posting off-topic again.
it is a comparable case so entirely relevant. if people think i got anythingwrong about dolby then they are utterly mistaken. the bbc is different because thats a large number of different unrelated things .....
You dont seem to have a good handle on the facts and are taking things off topic.
No its completely off topic. Can you stop please?
yeah quite so. the bbc was in fact the 1st general tv service .....
Simple as that.
Yes, I mentioned Dolby Surround as Nicam 728 allowed the BBC and other UK broadcasters to transmit Dolby Surround encoded audio (BBC technology was the enabler). But no-one is interested in your totally off-topic dolby meanderings in this thread. So take them elsewhere.
If you did, what is your case?
everytihng i have said is factually correct. i understand how all these things work in some detail. anf the history of telecom and how they originally invented ......
audio range compression was a standard textbook technique well before nicam
as far as i recall i sad that bbc innovation was zero. this is essentially correct.
i didnt say the research dept did nothing. lets be accurate huh ?
i will wait until they do. thereis absolutely no point in just namecalling. waste of everyones time. i will not respond to posts that just say "you have posted only rubbish" with no details.
you also implied that your perception of BBC behaviour inhibited 'innovation' elsewhere -
this is what I asked you to present the case for -
you have avoided doing so.
i never said it was. you seem very mixed up.
2.0 sound is essentally the sq system. whether analogue or digital or with/without various types of noise reduction and audo compression.
IE you work out how to do it (preferably testing it, if possible with off the shelf parts*), before you make an IC for commercial production...
Indeed it's one of the reasons things do get smaller, they work out how to put more parts onto a single IC
It's one of the reasons there are so many patent pools and FRAND agreements these days, often a single chip can involve using tech from dozens of companies, ranging from entire sub sections of the chip (IE putting a graphics chip into the main chip), to small circuits..
Indeed there are companies who design chips but never actually make them themselves, but rather licence their designs out for use either "as is" or for incorporation into larger designs.
IIRC there is a UK company** who do pretty much nothing but design the main chips used in a very large percentage of the worlds smart phones (from memory pretty much every modern apple Idevice is built around their core chip design).
So yes, a chip possibly made NICAM possible for home use, but almost certainly mainly due to the reduced cost, but it would have required the BBC's work to make it possible to design the chip... (you look at the specs published, at the design used in the lab, then adapt it for mass production).
*Even discrete components like transistors, smaller IC;s (things like discrete NE555 chips) etc.
**I think it was originally an offshoot of Palm