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Magic London and Wave 105

NokiaNokiaNokiaNokia Posts: 1,794
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So, as announced today by Bauer, Magic London is going national on Digital 1.

So, will Bauer go to the next level and roll it out across the South in place of Wave 105? As a regional, Wave 105 is ripe for a switch to Magic with all shows from London as Magic would be available to at least 90% of the UK on DAB - basically following the same model as Kiss and Planet Rock.

Wave 105 is a successful brand, yes, I think all here would agree.
Would the audience drop if it was replaced by Magic? Probably.

But, would the cost-savings attached be attractive enough for Bauer to make the switch?
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    newda898newda898 Posts: 5,466
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    :-o

    They must not touch Wave!
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    Vince800Vince800 Posts: 678
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    It would be surprising if Bauer touch Wave considering it's one of the more popular regional radio stations.
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    BollardBollard Posts: 3,425
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    NokiaNokia wrote: »
    So, will Bauer go to the next level and roll it out across the South in place of Wave 105?
    I can't see why they would do this when they are not doing it anywhere else.
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    paulx23paulx23 Posts: 2,138
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    Bollard wrote: »
    I can't see why they would do this when they are not doing it anywhere else.
    They don't really have anywhere else they can do it, do they?
    Plus, they put Planet Rock on FM in Birmingham and nowhere else, so I wouldn't rule it out altogether.
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    -ajm--ajm- Posts: 5,879
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    I thought todays news emphasised they want to keep local brands.
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    -ajm--ajm- Posts: 5,879
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    NokiaNokia wrote: »


    But, would the cost-savings attached be attractive enough for Bauer to make the switch?

    Surely they'd want to keep local news, traffic.

    How much would be saved?
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    david16david16 Posts: 14,821
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    All this increasing networking and over wider and wider areas all the time is very concerning.
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    NokiaNokiaNokiaNokia Posts: 1,794
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    -ajm- wrote: »
    Surely they'd want to keep local news, traffic.

    How much would be saved?

    With Kiss they maintained (not sure if they still do) local travel for Kiss East and Kiss West - Rickie & Melvin would just pre-record some extra bulletins.

    Financial savings would be fairly substantial, with no building costs, reduced/minimal staff costs (would perhaps maintain a sales office somewhere local). With no presenters, journalists, producers, managing director, admin, accounts etc there would be some huge savings.

    Bauer's statement yesterday was quite detailed, with reference to virtually all of their brands in England and Scotland with the notable exception of Wave. A paragraph along the lines of 'Wave 105 will remain unchanged' would perhaps have offered some reassurance.

    In fact, thinking it through, Absolute could be relayed on FM to the West Midlands in the same way as it already is in London and maybe Absolute could then be be relayed across the south in place of Wave. I've said it before, I think the temptation will be too great for Bauer to avoid particularly as they have a choice of brands to choose from.
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    Station IDStation ID Posts: 7,411
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    I think this will happen if Wave starts to underperform but at the moment it's doing ok audience wise at least. I'm not sure it's doing as well commercially but I could be wrong. I know a while ago they were losing a lot of commercial business and S&p to Heart dedpite having better audience figures. That shows you how powerful the Heart brand is and it was a while a go that I waa told this. It could be different now.

    Wave is an expensive station to run and if it goes pear shaped I'm sure Bauer will give it some Magic but I don't think we will see that for a while.
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    BollardBollard Posts: 3,425
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    -ajm- wrote: »
    I thought todays news emphasised they want to keep local brands.
    That's how I interpreted it. Global lost a lot of listeners when they ditched the heritage stations, but that was a sacrifice they were prepared to accept to roll Heart out nationally. Bauer could have rolled out Magic on FM but haven't as they recognise the value of the local brands.
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    BollardBollard Posts: 3,425
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    NokiaNokia wrote: »
    ... and maybe Absolute could then be be relayed across the south in place of Wave.
    Same audience as Jack FM though. Absolute 80s would be a closer fit with the current Wave audience.
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    philenglandphilengland Posts: 8,178
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    I tuned in to Wave when down South earlier this year, great station

    Was torn between Wave and Jack as to what to listen to, both different and both good!
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    Grimshaw84Grimshaw84 Posts: 49
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    Bollard wrote: »
    Global lost a lot of listeners when they ditched the heritage stations,

    Did they? Can you give us the numbers that prove this?
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    markmagmarkmag Posts: 3,131
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    Grimshaw84 wrote: »
    Did they? Can you give us the numbers that prove this?

    Go to Rajar or Radio Today and try to work out what happened to Ocean and 2CRs audience when both stations became Heart South Coast. Short answer: They went off to Wave instead.

    Wave has a number of big attractions to it but one of the main ones is its a regional that seems to the audience far more local than any of the stations on local licenses. Bauer are clever enough to realize that Wave is actually a massive brand in this area. What they are doing in the North shows they respect the power of brands at a local level.
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,672
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    markmag wrote: »
    Go to Rajar or Radio Today and try to work out what happened to Ocean and 2CRs audience when both stations became Heart South Coast. Short answer: They went off to Wave instead.
    Heart may have lost some listeners, but probably gained target 25-40 yr old females which ad agencies like.

    Bauer rolling out Magic on DAB, (plus DTV and internet), but leaving it's heritage stations like Wave alone, is a way of keeping some of this 25-40 yr old female audience.
    Expect this TV ad in more areas?
    http://www.magic.co.uk/on-air/magic-tv-advert/
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    occyoccy Posts: 65,180
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    You can listen to magic in London and on beyond everywhere.
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    NokiaNokiaNokiaNokia Posts: 1,794
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    So Magic now has national coverage via DAB, making the FM regional Wave 105 qualify as a target for Bauer to relaunch as Magic (like they've done with Kiss and Planet Rock).

    All programming taken from London would create huge cost savings for Bauer. Even if there was a dip in listeneing and revenue, the profit for the licence could actually be increased.

    Listening to Magic in London on FM, the new jingles sing "Magic 105.4" - but on national DAB they just sing "Magic" then a 5-note melody. I keep thinking that "105.2" would fit perfectly!

    So, any thoughts on timescales?
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    BollardBollard Posts: 3,425
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    NokiaNokia wrote: »
    So Magic now has national coverage via DAB, making the FM regional Wave 105 qualify as a target for Bauer to relaunch as Magic.
    I would say it is less likely that Wave 105 will become Magic now. They have closed all of the other local Magics to become spin offs of the local FM stations. Their focus at the moment is promoting Magic as a national brand, not opening new local Magic stations.
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    RadiogramRadiogram Posts: 3,515
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    Why on earth would they go to the bother of removing all the local Magic's then create another local Magic?

    It's a national brand now and there won't be any localisation of it in the near future.
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    NokiaNokiaNokiaNokia Posts: 1,794
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    Radiogram wrote: »
    Why on earth would they go to the bother of removing all the local Magic's then create another local Magic?

    It's a national brand now and there won't be any localisation of it in the near future.

    To save money! 'Wave' goodbye to all the local jocks and team
    on the south coast and relay the London service across the south on 105.2FM, with locals ads still via reduced sales force.
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    adc82140adc82140 Posts: 3,677
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    Am I right in thinking that Wave has a higher speech requirement than Magic though?

    It is a very different station- IMHO regional radio as it mostly should be, although they do let themselves down with "Steve Power's Deals of the Day" and the hopelessly obvious phone in competitions that air during every ad break- they just cheapen the station unneccesarily.
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    Station IDStation ID Posts: 7,411
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    adc82140 wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that Wave has a higher speech requirement than Magic though?

    It is a very different station- IMHO regional radio as it mostly should be, although they do let themselves down with "Steve Power's Deals of the Day" and the hopelessly obvious phone in competitions that air during every ad break- they just cheapen the station unneccesarily.

    I'm not sure the speech requirments apply anymore. It is a different station but that is only because Bauer allow it to be. There is no requirment for them to be different and if Bauer choose they could make it a relay of Magic London.

    Audience is important but with big money presenters how cost effective is Wave?
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    NokiaNokiaNokiaNokia Posts: 1,794
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    adc82140 wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that Wave has a higher speech requirement than Magic though?

    It is a very different station- IMHO regional radio as it mostly should be, although they do let themselves down with "Steve Power's Deals of the Day" and the hopelessly obvious phone in competitions that air during every ad break- they just cheapen the station unneccesarily.

    If Magic is rolled out from London, all requirements go out the window don't they - including localness. A national service like Magic ('cos its on D1) can be rolled out onto the Wave licence.
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    omnidirectionalomnidirectional Posts: 18,822
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    They would still have to meet the requirements of the Wave 105 licence, including any speech or specialist music requirements.
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    RadiogramRadiogram Posts: 3,515
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    NokiaNokia wrote: »
    To save money! 'Wave' goodbye to all the local jocks and team
    on the south coast and relay the London service across the south on 105.2FM, with locals ads still via reduced sales force.

    I get the savings thing but why scrap the local Magic station in the North to go straight ahead and create a new life cal Magic.

    It doesn't make sense.
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