The nurse in question did not die as the result of a prank call, she died after suffering from depression for a number of years, she'd made two serious attempts at taking her own life whilst she was in India which resulted in her being in intensive care, phone call or no phone call, sadly this lady was doomed by her illness.
I don't think the radio station or DJ's have answered the question did they obtain permission to broadcast the call or let those called in on the prank. Looking at how the DJ's & the radio station gloated I don't think they'd given a toss about Jacintha even if they knew she was a vunerable person.
For christ sake the DJ's knowingly attempted to speak to and prank a newly pregnant woman as she lay vunerable ill in a hospital bed.
I know they did.. But let's be honest ..if both nurses had done their job properly ..the phone would of been put down as soon as the call was answered because it was so obviously a prank..
I know they did.. But let's be honest ..if both nurses had done their job properly ..the phone would of been put down as soon as the call was answered because it was so obviously a prank..
If the two idiots and their producers had been doing their job they'd not made such a call to a person laying ill in hospital, but having done so you'd think they make sure those pranked see the joke before broadcasting the call.
If the two idiots and their producers had been doing their job they'd not made such a call to a person laying ill in hospital, but having done so you'd think they make sure those pranked see the joke before broadcasting the call.
The outrage is strong in you, Obi Wan... :rolleyes:
If the two idiots and their producers had been doing their job they'd not made such a call to a person laying ill in hospital, but having done so you'd think they make sure those pranked see the joke before broadcasting the call.
Let's get real here.. They NEVER expected to get on the phone to Catherine.. And let's be real here they should never of got past the first nurse.. NO ONE except her family knew she had tried to commit suicide TWICE before this call.. She obviously kept it from her employers ( maybe through fear of losing her job) It was a PRANK nothing more nothing less.. The over the top reaction by the media may of instigated the sad death of this lady.. But she wasn't stable and shouldnt of been in such a high pressure job... I'm sorry for her family that this poor lady took such drastic action..
Let's get real here.. They NEVER expected to get on the phone to Catherine.. And let's be real here they should never of got past the first nurse.. NO ONE except her family knew she had tried to commit suicide TWICE before this call.. She obviously kept it from her employers ( maybe through fear of losing her job) It was a PRANK nothing more nothing less.. The over the top reaction by the media may of instigated the sad death of this lady.. But she wasn't stable and shouldnt of been in such a high pressure job... I'm sorry for her family that this poor lady took such drastic action..
What was on the original uncut version of the broadcast, is at odds with what the radio station and the two DJ's said afterwards.
The DJ's knew they were attempting to prank a newly pregnant woman who was in hospital because doctors thought she and her baby could be at risk.
That for a starting point is reason enough for two so called professional presenters, especially Mel Greig, to have had second thoughts about the idea.
I've explained what they should have done having made the call and carried out the prank.
What was on the original uncut version of the broadcast, is at odds with what the radio station and the two DJ's said afterwards.
The DJ's knew they were attempting to prank a newly pregnant woman who was in hospital because doctors thought she and her baby could be at risk.
That for a starting point is reason enough for two so called professional presenters, especially Mel Greig, to have had second thoughts about the idea.
I've explained what they should have done having made the call and carried out the prank.
I don't think anyone denies that as pranks go, it was a crap idea.
What's puzzling me is why you're ringing every last morsel of disapproval out of it... :rolleyes:
I don't think anyone denies that as pranks go, it was a crap idea.
What's puzzling me is why you're ringing every last morsel of disapproval out of it... :rolleyes:
Exactly. The prank was crass, and the radio station should have got clearance from Jacintha and the other nurse before broadcasting anyway (they've claimed they did, but it all sounded a bit shifty). They screwed up. But no-one could have reasonably foreseen the devasting effect. From the interview they did, I do believe that the DJs (especially Mel Greig) are thoroughly contrite.
In real life people have all sorts of medical conditions.
Heart conditions, cancer, depression....
If a burglar breaks into a home and scares a person so much that a pre-existing heart condition is made worse and they die... we don't say "no one could have possibly foreseen..."
The thing is, if a person does something outside the bounds of reasonable behaviour and that behaviour is a contributing cause of a persons death... then they are held to be partially responsible. And punished.
At least that used to be the case. In law-less Britain it might not be any more. If you aren't famous or a politician or rich then it probably still is.
Did they murder the woman? No. Did they contribute to her death? Yes. A pre-existing condition is not a defence.
In real life people have all sorts of medical conditions.
Heart conditions, cancer, depression....
If a burglar breaks into a home and scares a person so much that a pre-existing heart condition is made worse and they die... we don't say "no one could have possibly foreseen..."
The thing is, if a person does something outside the bounds of reasonable behaviour and that behaviour is a contributing cause of a persons death... then they are held to be partially responsible. And punished.
At least that used to be the case. In law-less Britain it might not be any more. If you aren't famous or a politician or rich then it probably still is.
Did they murder the woman? No. Did they contribute to her death? Yes. A pre-existing condition is not a defence.
It's a rather different situation from that, as Jacintha is presumed to have committed suicide. No-one is held criminally liable for suicides in this country unless they actively aided or abetted them - nor was there a time when they were. In Australia, you can be held liable for a suicide in cases of relentless bullying and harassment, but that clearly doesn't apply here.
If the two idiots and their producers had been doing their job they'd not made such a call to a person laying ill in hospital, but having done so you'd think they make sure those pranked see the joke before broadcasting the call.
seems so. I wonder what the hospital inquiry found, I am still curious about how they reacted at the time and why Keith Vaz seems to have lost interest
seems so. I wonder what the hospital inquiry found, I am still curious about how they reacted at the time and why Keith Vaz seems to have lost interest
Well i'd say Keith Vaz lost interest when it became obvious he couldn't squeeze any more publicity for himself out of it.
Anyway, i'm glad Mel Grieg is going back to work. I hope she can get on with her life and be happy.
Well i'd say Keith Vaz lost interest when it became obvious he couldn't squeeze any more publicity for himself out of it.
Anyway, i'm glad Mel Grieg is going back to work. I hope she can get on with her life and be happy.
you're probably right but if so what an awful man for parading the husband and child out for pics if he had no intention of following it through. Yes I agree re; the DJ's. I still wonder how the hospital dealt with the case at the time, probably we'll never know
Exactly. The prank was crass, and the radio station should have got clearance from Jacintha and the other nurse before broadcasting anyway (they've claimed they did, but it all sounded a bit shifty). They screwed up. But no-one could have reasonably foreseen the devasting effect. From the interview they did, I do believe that the DJs (especially Mel Greig) are thoroughly contrite.
They didn't actually say they had clearance. Rhys Halleran, CEO of the station said they 'attempted' to make contact 5 times. In a phone call Rhys talked of the DJ's being trained and proccedures being in place, but was very evasive as to what that meant.
In their interview the 2 DJ's give no indication if they knew if approval had been granted, they just refer to proccesses. Asked if they had training they talk of others making decisions for them.
As I've said before the radio station has previous for doing one thing and denying it afterwards. In 2009 a group of lawyers suggested certain systems should be in place regarding training and proceedures, which seemed to be lacking.
As previously with this radio staion, what the DJ's said after the call played down or ignored what they said before and during the call, here's a partial transcript with a link to the complete broadcast.
They didn't actually say they had clearance. Rhys Halleran, CEO of the station said they 'attempted' to make contact 5 times. In a phone call Rhys talked of the DJ's being trained and proccedures being in place, but was very evasive as to what that meant.
In their interview the 2 DJ's give no indication if they knew if approval had been granted, they just refer to proccesses. Asked if they had training they talk of others making decisions for them.
As I've said before the radio station has previous for doing one thing and denying it afterwards. In 2009 a group of lawyers suggested certain systems should be in place regarding training and proceedures, which seemed to be lacking.
As previously with this radio staion, what the DJ's said after the call played down or ignored what they said before and during the call, here's a partial transcript with a link to the complete broadcast.
Thanks. I remembered there'd been an issue over consent and the radio station had been shifty on the matter. That clarifies it a lot.
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Exactly and anyway the Queen is out now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGz7YFEV0rk#
And I'm sure after what happened they wouldnt be so stupid as to do it again
^^ This... the only sensible post on here
I know they did.. But let's be honest ..if both nurses had done their job properly ..the phone would of been put down as soon as the call was answered because it was so obviously a prank..
You're joking... :eek:
First Richard Wilson, now the Queen...
If the two idiots and their producers had been doing their job they'd not made such a call to a person laying ill in hospital, but having done so you'd think they make sure those pranked see the joke before broadcasting the call.
The outrage is strong in you, Obi Wan... :rolleyes:
Let's get real here.. They NEVER expected to get on the phone to Catherine.. And let's be real here they should never of got past the first nurse.. NO ONE except her family knew she had tried to commit suicide TWICE before this call.. She obviously kept it from her employers ( maybe through fear of losing her job) It was a PRANK nothing more nothing less.. The over the top reaction by the media may of instigated the sad death of this lady.. But she wasn't stable and shouldnt of been in such a high pressure job... I'm sorry for her family that this poor lady took such drastic action..
What was on the original uncut version of the broadcast, is at odds with what the radio station and the two DJ's said afterwards.
The DJ's knew they were attempting to prank a newly pregnant woman who was in hospital because doctors thought she and her baby could be at risk.
That for a starting point is reason enough for two so called professional presenters, especially Mel Greig, to have had second thoughts about the idea.
I've explained what they should have done having made the call and carried out the prank.
I don't think anyone denies that as pranks go, it was a crap idea.
What's puzzling me is why you're ringing every last morsel of disapproval out of it... :rolleyes:
Exactly. The prank was crass, and the radio station should have got clearance from Jacintha and the other nurse before broadcasting anyway (they've claimed they did, but it all sounded a bit shifty). They screwed up. But no-one could have reasonably foreseen the devasting effect. From the interview they did, I do believe that the DJs (especially Mel Greig) are thoroughly contrite.
Heart conditions, cancer, depression....
If a burglar breaks into a home and scares a person so much that a pre-existing heart condition is made worse and they die... we don't say "no one could have possibly foreseen..."
The thing is, if a person does something outside the bounds of reasonable behaviour and that behaviour is a contributing cause of a persons death... then they are held to be partially responsible. And punished.
At least that used to be the case. In law-less Britain it might not be any more. If you aren't famous or a politician or rich then it probably still is.
Did they murder the woman? No. Did they contribute to her death? Yes. A pre-existing condition is not a defence.
Everyone is going to die after all.
It's a rather different situation from that, as Jacintha is presumed to have committed suicide. No-one is held criminally liable for suicides in this country unless they actively aided or abetted them - nor was there a time when they were. In Australia, you can be held liable for a suicide in cases of relentless bullying and harassment, but that clearly doesn't apply here.
But since this case isn't manslaughter, except in the eyes of the deluded, that's not relevant.
:eek: I don't even know where to begin.....
Manslaughter? Really?
Honestly... get a grip eh?
seems so. I wonder what the hospital inquiry found, I am still curious about how they reacted at the time and why Keith Vaz seems to have lost interest
Well i'd say Keith Vaz lost interest when it became obvious he couldn't squeeze any more publicity for himself out of it.
Anyway, i'm glad Mel Grieg is going back to work. I hope she can get on with her life and be happy.
you're probably right but if so what an awful man for parading the husband and child out for pics if he had no intention of following it through. Yes I agree re; the DJ's. I still wonder how the hospital dealt with the case at the time, probably we'll never know
They didn't actually say they had clearance. Rhys Halleran, CEO of the station said they 'attempted' to make contact 5 times. In a phone call Rhys talked of the DJ's being trained and proccedures being in place, but was very evasive as to what that meant.
In their interview the 2 DJ's give no indication if they knew if approval had been granted, they just refer to proccesses. Asked if they had training they talk of others making decisions for them.
As I've said before the radio station has previous for doing one thing and denying it afterwards. In 2009 a group of lawyers suggested certain systems should be in place regarding training and proceedures, which seemed to be lacking.
As previously with this radio staion, what the DJ's said after the call played down or ignored what they said before and during the call, here's a partial transcript with a link to the complete broadcast.
Thanks. I remembered there'd been an issue over consent and the radio station had been shifty on the matter. That clarifies it a lot.